1.) I don't get it that the devs don't use gamplay statistics on the use of the players items. I always thought they already had their statistics and could see what item is used and what not. How else could they see if a certain item is never used at all and when to cut it? Or find out that most players like a certain item and then spend more development on creating more things like it.
Couldn't that reasoning go the other way too? Like, if people use it, it's good as it is. If people don't use it, that's what needs more work.
1.) I don't get it that the devs don't use gamplay statistics on the use of the players items. I always thought they already had their statistics and could see what item is used and what not. How else could they see if a certain item is never used at all and when to cut it? Or find out that most players like a certain item and then spend more development on creating more things like it.
Couldn't that reasoning go the other way too? Like, if people use it, it's good as it is. If people don't use it, that's what needs more work.
Exactly, let me start about a story that saved the British during World War 2.
They wanted to armor planes based on where the surviving plane had bullets holes, armor where the hole are most numerous, good idea right?
DEADLY WRONG.
Someone stopped them in time, why? The planes which came back were the one where the bullets DIDN'T hit anything critical. Meaning you had to armor the parts with no bullet holes, because if plane were hit there, they never came back.
How this story apply to the Dive Reel, this is just about statistical bias. Knowing the items is not used don't mean that no one want gameplay based on it (the polling itself can suffer from different bias).
It just means that several factors prevent/distract players from using it (beside it being completely buggy of course).
Factor like:
- Is the players fully aware of what it is and what it (could if not buggy) do?
- What others equipments are available when you can build one (a Seaglide easily replace both lamp and air bladder already (to me it should be late game equipment))
- How often are the players' hands busy when exploring (if you need to carry a lamp or a knife it make it problematic)
- What place are the one available when you discover it
- What place are left to explore when you have long forgotten the existence of the thing?
- How far can you go in those area/tunnel, it is enough to get lost?
Encouraging/forcing the use of a Dive Reel isn't impossible or hard, but for that it need to be considered along other features during balance.
ex:
- An large open area full of smog where you can't see more than 2m away
- Tortuous tunnels where you can get lost
- magnetic place where electronics (like the Seaglide or markers) short-circuit
- artificial place that are MEANT to have corridors all alike, game design isn't only about purposefully making place memorable. (btw, you can get lost in a data center or a factory).
- natural place that have fauna and flora constantly changing pattern in a random ways (agreed it's actually hard to purposefully hide)
- Place where the players are encouraged to destroy/mine/scavenge what he used as markers.
- A mirror labyrinth.
- place with no light? (make the dive reel luminous?)
So you see, you could justify the damn things at the surface. In fact it would be easier since you don't have to worry about 30s air tank. But you need to plan for it just as you would plan for other stuffs.
Also, that post was never meant to become that long, dammit!
The dive reel is a bit awkward to use. As with others, I found it most useful with initial Jelly Shroom Cave diving, but that was when tanks in inventory could be used automatically. Even with the triple capacity of the more recent tanks, swapping is awkward, especially as you can't see how much oxygen is in tanks without equipping them in the paperdoll model.
I did try using it in wrecks and it was a bit strange, but it kind of worked, anchoring part of the cable as you swam through doors and passages while the line was paying out. However, going back was weird as the line couldn't be picked up.
To properly work, it does need work. But I'd like to see it kept in the game.
I think it could work like the O2 lines in Astroneer. Use the gun part to nail anchors into the wall at regular intervals. If the line "clips" too much or is too far from the last one, then it can't be placed. If the anchors glowed a bit that would be nice. I that case the line itself might not be needed, just the anchors.
Some of the code from pipes might be transferrable?
The dive reel would be really cool to explore wrecks with so you'd not get lost, but as-is it's so broken that I found it useless. If not fixing it, just remove it.
If the issues could be fixed, I would uncategorically say 'Keep it in'. However, the devs themselves have mentioned that they're not sure they can fix it. Therefore, my recommendation would be to remove it. At the moment, between the clipping, the doubling back, the unhelpful way it doesn't lead you around but rather gets stuck on/in things, it actually makes it almost *more* confusing to maneuvar with it than without it, say nothing of trying to find your way back to the anchor point and hoping it hasn't gotten lost or clipped through things.
I crafted it all of once, but the clipping and confusing weave of ropes it made because of trying to explore a bit made it impossible to utilize properly, and trying to retrieve it to start again just tied things up tighter. When a tool becomes more harm than it is helpful, if it can't be fixed in 1.0, it should probably be removed (and potentially added back in in the future if DLC is being crafted).
Make it into glowing blocks/ropes that can be dropped in a row or something. It would lead people just as easily, not clip into things, and make it more 'customizable' for people who need a lot of reminder of which way to go, or just which corners to turn at.
If it's problematic to fix, I say ditch it. I've never used it.
Are there any sufficiently complex wrecks or cave systems to really justify it?
Possible alternative - adhesive dual-coloured glowing stickers. Say blue and red. You place the first sticker and it's blue. After that every sticker you place has a glowing blue arrow and a glowing red arrow. The game automatically orients each successive sticker based on the previous one, so the second sticker will point its blue arrow in the direction of the previous sticker. And so on. So you can follow the blue arrows to safety and air. Or follow red to retrace your path.
If you end up going down a dead end, just pick up those stickers on the way back. Maybe also create a few other stickers so we can mark dead ends (red x?) and the like. Perhaps it could use the same R / reload UI but instead of checking the inventory for batteries, it lets you cycle between different sticker types.
I don't really have a horse in this race. But I've never used the dive reel, and by the sound of it it's so buggy it doesn't work for its intended purpose anyway. So I guess I'd come down on the side of 'remove it, it's no use'.
There's the "crafting ingredient for the grappling arm" argument, sure. But let's face it, a lot of Subnautica recipes make little or no sense. Copper and acid to make batteries? Why not lead and acid? It'd give another use for lead, which currently you'll only ever use to make your radiation suit. And polyaniline? Gold and hydrochloric acid makes polyaniline? Seriously? Benzene and nitric acid might almost be plausible, but hydrochloric acid and GOLD? To make a phenyl/amino compound? "The science of chemistry is here to see you. It says it wants a few words, and it looks mad."
1.) I don't get it that the devs don't use gamplay statistics on the use of the players items. I always thought they already had their statistics and could see what item is used and what not. How else could they see if a certain item is never used at all and when to cut it? Or find out that most players like a certain item and then spend more development on creating more things like it.
Couldn't that reasoning go the other way too? Like, if people use it, it's good as it is. If people don't use it, that's what needs more work.
That's more or less what I'd feel, too. Personally speaking, the dive reel was a very useful tool in the early stages of my new save-game, when I lacked the expanded oxygen tank and rebreather needed for deeper exploration. Hooking it to the upper cliffs, it helped me to explore areas that would normally have been inaccessible to me like the Sparse Reef's crevices, the Jellyshroom Cave's entrances, the Floating Island's deep but relatively straightforward caves or the small caves full of resources near the Kelp Forests - especially since, with how much space the Seaglide takes up, I was always half-tempted to leave it behind on resource-gathering runs so that I'd actually have the room needed for resources.
Additionally, having it be added into the recipe for the grapple-arm on the PRAWN would feel like a natural progression of equipment upgrades, at least in my opinion; better gear requires you take what you have and make something better with it.
I don't really have a horse in this race. But I've never used the dive reel, and by the sound of it it's so buggy it doesn't work for its intended purpose anyway. So I guess I'd come down on the side of 'remove it, it's no use'.
There's the "crafting ingredient for the grappling arm" argument, sure. But let's face it, a lot of Subnautica recipes make little or no sense. Copper and acid to make batteries? Why not lead and acid? It'd give another use for lead, which currently you'll only ever use to make your radiation suit. And polyaniline? Gold and hydrochloric acid makes polyaniline? Seriously? Benzene and nitric acid might almost be plausible, but hydrochloric acid and GOLD? To make a phenyl/amino compound? "The science of chemistry is here to see you. It says it wants a few words, and it looks mad."
Lead is also useful for crafting reactor rods. As for the problems with chemistry-- you must not have been around when "Magnesium" was Salt x 3...
I was very lost in the sea castle thing where the thermal plant is, but then I crafted one and it helps me a lot
You are all gonna laugh when you hear how I avoid getting lost in there-- I build a thermal reactor outside, then I plant power transmitters and follow the blue light back out.
I was very lost in the sea castle thing where the thermal plant is, but then I crafted one and it helps me a lot
You are all gonna laugh when you hear how I avoid getting lost in there-- I build a thermal reactor outside, then I plant power transmitters and follow the blue light back out.
What if the dive reel had little post you put down to anchor the line in a way similar to this? It would fix the clipping issue. Plus a lot of the code could be taken from the power transmitter.
I'm having a real hard time on this one. The dive real, as is, with only physics/bug improvements, really isn't enough to get me to want to use it. As others have said, the line is too short and the visibility is low, even with bug fixes I wouldn't want it.
HOWEVER, if it was re-imagined, for it's low construction cost I could see it being extremely useful. Take, for instance, if it worked more like a fluorescent neon fiber-line that you could anchor multiple times, allowing you to draw on the surface of things. Make the line take up less room in your inventory but only allow it to dispense a limited amount of "line" before being used up and having to be refilled or just re-crafted.
Now you have a waterproof "spray paint" that you can lay down. Leave yourself arrows, or even short words, without having to use bouys. They glow at night, are highly visible, and are useful for more than just navigating. Hell, you could even decorate your base with line art graffiti or glowing rave lights, and it could come in 3 colors for added usefulness in navigating/art.
If you give me something that adds to my freedom in game, that allows me to use my own ingenuity to help me survive, then yes, keep it.
If you give me something that must be used one way to work, and limits my ability to think for myself and help me survive, then ditch it.
Edit: Also, +1 for requiring it for the grapple on the prawn, but only if it's useful otherwise.
And it's so easy to search for everything. The places are so obvious: Jellyshroom caves are in the Grassy Plateaus, the lost river is just under the Deep Grand Reef or through a Blood Kelp.
This is so buggy and now it's useless to us. I litterally have not made one ever in the months to year I've owned this game and I doubt you guys have really used it that much. Sure, some of you enjoy using it, but nah, I dislike it.
How does that help anyone new to the game - all the people who haven't gotten into this yet, are just getting into it or are waiting for the 1.0 full-game release to get into it?
No offense, but the game wasn't made purely for the people who were with it from the start; it's supposed to be accessible to everyone who wants to play it. If you don't like the dive reel, okay than; that's your preference. But please, don't make it an issue of what best suits the hardcore players as opposed to the whole of the game itself - what's done with it should be based on whether it's good for gameplay as a whole, not whether or not it best suits one single group of players.
On that count, the dive reel could become a very good early-game item if modified a bit better - longer reach, better retraction speed, etc.
Personally I don't really think the Dive Reel is super useful even for new players. Maybe for those first 30 minutes to an hour where you don't really know what you're doing or you don't an oxygen tank yet, but other than that I don't really think there are enough areas like long, winding caves that would make the Dive Reel useful (most of the smaller caves are really short and most of the larger caves big enough to easily tell where everything is from a glance.) Maybe I'd want it more if fixing it was an easy task, but right now it just seems like a better idea to toss it.
I'm in the middle. I want the Dive Reel to be removed. Because it doesn't do the function that people wanted it to do. Ignoring the bugs it has. Basically people want it attached to the player. Connect to any surface (Cyclops, animal etc.), and when you push a button, pull the player all the way back to start. It should be a larger device with a full battery operated motor. Kind of like a core sample drill. Maybe include a beacon marker built in. I've only ever made the item once, over a year ago. Never bothered with it again. If they make a Dive Reel 2.0 I'd want it back. If they don't want to improve it. It's not worth keeping. Even if they fix the bugs.
How does that help anyone new to the game - all the people who haven't gotten into this yet, are just getting into it or are waiting for the 1.0 full-game release to get into it?
No offense, but the game wasn't made purely for the people who were with it from the start; it's supposed to be accessible to everyone who wants to play it. If you don't like the dive reel, okay than; that's your preference. But please, don't make it an issue of what best suits the hardcore players as opposed to the whole of the game itself - what's done with it should be based on whether it's good for gameplay as a whole, not whether or not it best suits one single group of players.
On that count, the dive reel could become a very good early-game item if modified a bit better - longer reach, better retraction speed, etc.
I realize exactly what you mean. But even then, people won't need it if they can find their way out easy anyway. And if they drown due to low oxygen, then it's kinda their fault for not leaving quickly. Barley anyone dies of drowning because they lost their way.
But even then, you may say they do a lot and rebuttal my argument. But look, people don't see a use for it anymore. It just outlived it's prime, and even like the dev said. It's buggy and breaks a lot. It honestly outlived its use.
Also you didn't respond to the whole thing, only one of my points. Why you do dis.
I think the dive reel was a cool concept but the clipping through walls and the fact you the finishing anchor doesnt seem to stick makes it useless. I tried using it to help me navigate through the cave to get to the thermal plant because i was making a base down there and was taking many trips back and forth through it. Though the air piping system is equally useless. perhaps instead of the dive reel maybe just have a marking a path. in most games like this i would use torches to mark my way. maybe some kind of smaller light posts or like glow sticks we can stab into the ground.
I found in my first and only play through so far that i didnt use half the items that were available because there wasnt any promting or need for most of them. though i found the gravity sphere would have been amazingly useful early on especially when mining i couldnt even get the prawn suit due to the glitch and by the time i finally made one there was no need to even really mine though i did anyway just to horde stuff
I realize exactly what you mean. But even then, people won't need it if they can find their way out easy anyway. And if they drown due to low oxygen, then it's kinda their fault for not leaving quickly. Barley anyone dies of drowning because they lost their way.
But even then, you may say they do a lot and rebuttal my argument. But look, people don't see a use for it anymore. It just outlived it's prime, and even like the dev said. It's buggy and breaks a lot. It honestly outlived its use.
Also you didn't respond to the whole thing, only one of my points. Why you do dis.
Again, that's assuming people can in fact find their way out easily; there's no guarantee of that actually being the case. Not with the caves, not with the canyons and especially not with the wrecks - especially when players can no longer carry extra oxygen tanks. To say it's "their fault" is to grossly overestimate or generalize how easy and/or difficult something in the game is - it's inherently unfair, if not outright biased, to think something you consider easily avoidable is the same for everyone else.
Case in point; I am not a very good gamer, and as such I have repeatedly drowned for the exact reason that I lost my way in caves or wrecks, either getting turned around or spending too much time diving on the (mis)assumption I'd reached the end when there was still a ton of cave/corridor left to go. But in regards to exploring canyons like the Sparse Reef or the Crash Zone, this problem ended when I got the dive reel - it was easier to get back to where I parked my vehicles and where the closest point to the surface was.
So again, your argument comes down to the same thing; an assumption based purely on the veteran players who've either (A) spent so long at the game they know it like the back of their hand, (B) are very good gamers in general or (C) both. Your argument comes across as invalid because it seems purely based on a single POV or personal context, rather than addressing any actual in-game reason for why it should or shouldn't stay - completely overlooks the situation from a casual perspective and whether or not it can help them. You say "a lot of people", but it doesn't feel like you're actually going beyond what a single group feels. Hell, even arguing the "people don't see a use for it anymore/it honestly outlived its use" claim falls flat, too, since a lot of the items in-game don't always see a whole lot of use (cured food, anyone?).
Also, I did actually respond to the whole thing; I just snipped your quote down to avoid clutter. Pretty much everyone and their mother rails at me for making posts that go overboard on the quotes and strain the eyes reading it - but even when they're trimmed, it seems people still take issue...
Perhaps a simple "marker" would be more practical? Something that would allow the diver to "tag" a surface in the manner that some games allow decals. It could be an arrow with a modifiable direction. I have not used the line at all - it has never appealed to me as an idea, but I am fairly new to the game and perhaps I have had to worry about getting lost on long explorations. I finished the Aurora exploration, but was able to navigate without issue.
The game already has a labeling system. Perhaps that could be altered to accommodate this task?
Regarding the issue of vehicle oxygen - why not add filters to the system? You would have a longer span of oxygen use, but there would be a tech tree and achievement based method for the diver to implement the fix.
I am somehow a new player, already finished the storyline (60+ hours so far) but I've only played for one week or so. At the very beginning I was super scared of everything and I was scared of large wrecks so I ended up building dive reel only to find myself traped again in a wreck, because it was goeing through all the walls. That was a big dissapointment but even then it helped A LITTLE BIT to make it out of the wreck.
I think they shoulkd keep it if they have plans (not now) to fix it, I like it and I can think of some situations where it can come handly, at least for new players. Or as they say, they could remove it and keep it for a later upgrade when it is not that buggy, as I agree with many of you who think they should focus on performance upgrades and some more important things.
Sorry for the Necrons post, but having started playing again and reading the forums I had an interesting idea related to this. I've used the dive reel a few times and as everyone knows the clipping through terrain makes it pretty much useless, however I do see a need for this while wreck diving the larger wrecks. I think a compromise solution could be found in a modified flare. If I could have a flare, with a timed duration until despawn that could float where I dropped it, like beacons, I could leave a crumb trail to follow. This would make flares useful and solve the getting lost problem. Developmentalwise you should be able to piece together and modify code already in place, and working, in the game. That's the theory at least. Thoughts?
Personally I love the dive reel and its concept, although for how buggy it is I think it should be removed. If Subnautica got more advanced, complex and narrow cave systems, then I believe it should be brought back and worked on. But Subnautica doesn't have such caves, unfortunately.
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Couldn't that reasoning go the other way too? Like, if people use it, it's good as it is. If people don't use it, that's what needs more work.
Exactly, let me start about a story that saved the British during World War 2.
They wanted to armor planes based on where the surviving plane had bullets holes, armor where the hole are most numerous, good idea right?
DEADLY WRONG.
Someone stopped them in time, why? The planes which came back were the one where the bullets DIDN'T hit anything critical. Meaning you had to armor the parts with no bullet holes, because if plane were hit there, they never came back.
How this story apply to the Dive Reel, this is just about statistical bias. Knowing the items is not used don't mean that no one want gameplay based on it (the polling itself can suffer from different bias).
It just means that several factors prevent/distract players from using it (beside it being completely buggy of course).
Factor like:
- Is the players fully aware of what it is and what it (could if not buggy) do?
- What others equipments are available when you can build one (a Seaglide easily replace both lamp and air bladder already (to me it should be late game equipment))
- How often are the players' hands busy when exploring (if you need to carry a lamp or a knife it make it problematic)
- What place are the one available when you discover it
- What place are left to explore when you have long forgotten the existence of the thing?
- How far can you go in those area/tunnel, it is enough to get lost?
Encouraging/forcing the use of a Dive Reel isn't impossible or hard, but for that it need to be considered along other features during balance.
ex:
- An large open area full of smog where you can't see more than 2m away
- Tortuous tunnels where you can get lost
- magnetic place where electronics (like the Seaglide or markers) short-circuit
- artificial place that are MEANT to have corridors all alike, game design isn't only about purposefully making place memorable. (btw, you can get lost in a data center or a factory).
- natural place that have fauna and flora constantly changing pattern in a random ways (agreed it's actually hard to purposefully hide)
- Place where the players are encouraged to destroy/mine/scavenge what he used as markers.
- A mirror labyrinth.
- place with no light? (make the dive reel luminous?)
So you see, you could justify the damn things at the surface. In fact it would be easier since you don't have to worry about 30s air tank. But you need to plan for it just as you would plan for other stuffs.
Also, that post was never meant to become that long, dammit!
I did try using it in wrecks and it was a bit strange, but it kind of worked, anchoring part of the cable as you swam through doors and passages while the line was paying out. However, going back was weird as the line couldn't be picked up.
To properly work, it does need work. But I'd like to see it kept in the game.
Some of the code from pipes might be transferrable?
I crafted it all of once, but the clipping and confusing weave of ropes it made because of trying to explore a bit made it impossible to utilize properly, and trying to retrieve it to start again just tied things up tighter. When a tool becomes more harm than it is helpful, if it can't be fixed in 1.0, it should probably be removed (and potentially added back in in the future if DLC is being crafted).
Make it into glowing blocks/ropes that can be dropped in a row or something. It would lead people just as easily, not clip into things, and make it more 'customizable' for people who need a lot of reminder of which way to go, or just which corners to turn at.
Are there any sufficiently complex wrecks or cave systems to really justify it?
Possible alternative - adhesive dual-coloured glowing stickers. Say blue and red. You place the first sticker and it's blue. After that every sticker you place has a glowing blue arrow and a glowing red arrow. The game automatically orients each successive sticker based on the previous one, so the second sticker will point its blue arrow in the direction of the previous sticker. And so on. So you can follow the blue arrows to safety and air. Or follow red to retrace your path.
If you end up going down a dead end, just pick up those stickers on the way back. Maybe also create a few other stickers so we can mark dead ends (red x?) and the like. Perhaps it could use the same R / reload UI but instead of checking the inventory for batteries, it lets you cycle between different sticker types.
Maybe tiny stackable short-range beacon buoys instead? So you can leave a trail of breadcrumbs.
There's the "crafting ingredient for the grappling arm" argument, sure. But let's face it, a lot of Subnautica recipes make little or no sense. Copper and acid to make batteries? Why not lead and acid? It'd give another use for lead, which currently you'll only ever use to make your radiation suit. And polyaniline? Gold and hydrochloric acid makes polyaniline? Seriously? Benzene and nitric acid might almost be plausible, but hydrochloric acid and GOLD? To make a phenyl/amino compound? "The science of chemistry is here to see you. It says it wants a few words, and it looks mad."
That's more or less what I'd feel, too. Personally speaking, the dive reel was a very useful tool in the early stages of my new save-game, when I lacked the expanded oxygen tank and rebreather needed for deeper exploration. Hooking it to the upper cliffs, it helped me to explore areas that would normally have been inaccessible to me like the Sparse Reef's crevices, the Jellyshroom Cave's entrances, the Floating Island's deep but relatively straightforward caves or the small caves full of resources near the Kelp Forests - especially since, with how much space the Seaglide takes up, I was always half-tempted to leave it behind on resource-gathering runs so that I'd actually have the room needed for resources.
Additionally, having it be added into the recipe for the grapple-arm on the PRAWN would feel like a natural progression of equipment upgrades, at least in my opinion; better gear requires you take what you have and make something better with it.
Lead is also useful for crafting reactor rods. As for the problems with chemistry-- you must not have been around when "Magnesium" was Salt x 3...
You are all gonna laugh when you hear how I avoid getting lost in there-- I build a thermal reactor outside, then I plant power transmitters and follow the blue light back out.
What if the dive reel had little post you put down to anchor the line in a way similar to this? It would fix the clipping issue. Plus a lot of the code could be taken from the power transmitter.
HOWEVER, if it was re-imagined, for it's low construction cost I could see it being extremely useful. Take, for instance, if it worked more like a fluorescent neon fiber-line that you could anchor multiple times, allowing you to draw on the surface of things. Make the line take up less room in your inventory but only allow it to dispense a limited amount of "line" before being used up and having to be refilled or just re-crafted.
Now you have a waterproof "spray paint" that you can lay down. Leave yourself arrows, or even short words, without having to use bouys. They glow at night, are highly visible, and are useful for more than just navigating. Hell, you could even decorate your base with line art graffiti or glowing rave lights, and it could come in 3 colors for added usefulness in navigating/art.
If you give me something that adds to my freedom in game, that allows me to use my own ingenuity to help me survive, then yes, keep it.
If you give me something that must be used one way to work, and limits my ability to think for myself and help me survive, then ditch it.
Edit: Also, +1 for requiring it for the grapple on the prawn, but only if it's useful otherwise.
We know where everything is.
And it's so easy to search for everything. The places are so obvious: Jellyshroom caves are in the Grassy Plateaus, the lost river is just under the Deep Grand Reef or through a Blood Kelp.
This is so buggy and now it's useless to us. I litterally have not made one ever in the months to year I've owned this game and I doubt you guys have really used it that much. Sure, some of you enjoy using it, but nah, I dislike it.
*Immediately gets detected*
*Runs*
How does that help anyone new to the game - all the people who haven't gotten into this yet, are just getting into it or are waiting for the 1.0 full-game release to get into it?
No offense, but the game wasn't made purely for the people who were with it from the start; it's supposed to be accessible to everyone who wants to play it. If you don't like the dive reel, okay than; that's your preference. But please, don't make it an issue of what best suits the hardcore players as opposed to the whole of the game itself - what's done with it should be based on whether it's good for gameplay as a whole, not whether or not it best suits one single group of players.
On that count, the dive reel could become a very good early-game item if modified a bit better - longer reach, better retraction speed, etc.
I realize exactly what you mean. But even then, people won't need it if they can find their way out easy anyway. And if they drown due to low oxygen, then it's kinda their fault for not leaving quickly. Barley anyone dies of drowning because they lost their way.
But even then, you may say they do a lot and rebuttal my argument. But look, people don't see a use for it anymore. It just outlived it's prime, and even like the dev said. It's buggy and breaks a lot. It honestly outlived its use.
Also you didn't respond to the whole thing, only one of my points. Why you do dis.
I found in my first and only play through so far that i didnt use half the items that were available because there wasnt any promting or need for most of them. though i found the gravity sphere would have been amazingly useful early on especially when mining i couldnt even get the prawn suit due to the glitch and by the time i finally made one there was no need to even really mine though i did anyway just to horde stuff
Again, that's assuming people can in fact find their way out easily; there's no guarantee of that actually being the case. Not with the caves, not with the canyons and especially not with the wrecks - especially when players can no longer carry extra oxygen tanks. To say it's "their fault" is to grossly overestimate or generalize how easy and/or difficult something in the game is - it's inherently unfair, if not outright biased, to think something you consider easily avoidable is the same for everyone else.
Case in point; I am not a very good gamer, and as such I have repeatedly drowned for the exact reason that I lost my way in caves or wrecks, either getting turned around or spending too much time diving on the (mis)assumption I'd reached the end when there was still a ton of cave/corridor left to go. But in regards to exploring canyons like the Sparse Reef or the Crash Zone, this problem ended when I got the dive reel - it was easier to get back to where I parked my vehicles and where the closest point to the surface was.
So again, your argument comes down to the same thing; an assumption based purely on the veteran players who've either (A) spent so long at the game they know it like the back of their hand, (B) are very good gamers in general or (C) both. Your argument comes across as invalid because it seems purely based on a single POV or personal context, rather than addressing any actual in-game reason for why it should or shouldn't stay - completely overlooks the situation from a casual perspective and whether or not it can help them. You say "a lot of people", but it doesn't feel like you're actually going beyond what a single group feels. Hell, even arguing the "people don't see a use for it anymore/it honestly outlived its use" claim falls flat, too, since a lot of the items in-game don't always see a whole lot of use (cured food, anyone?).
Also, I did actually respond to the whole thing; I just snipped your quote down to avoid clutter. Pretty much everyone and their mother rails at me for making posts that go overboard on the quotes and strain the eyes reading it - but even when they're trimmed, it seems people still take issue...
The game already has a labeling system. Perhaps that could be altered to accommodate this task?
Regarding the issue of vehicle oxygen - why not add filters to the system? You would have a longer span of oxygen use, but there would be a tech tree and achievement based method for the diver to implement the fix.
I think they shoulkd keep it if they have plans (not now) to fix it, I like it and I can think of some situations where it can come handly, at least for new players. Or as they say, they could remove it and keep it for a later upgrade when it is not that buggy, as I agree with many of you who think they should focus on performance upgrades and some more important things.