Natural Selection 1 vs Natural Selection 2
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The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
We were talking on discord about how much changed between between Natural Selection 2 and Natural Selection 1.
Here's a video of some NS1 gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo0b1rle2k8
[EDIT] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpa64xAib08
What are the differences that you can see (or remember) between the two games, and which aspects of NS2 are better/worse than NS1?
Here's a video of some NS1 gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo0b1rle2k8
[EDIT] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpa64xAib08
What are the differences that you can see (or remember) between the two games, and which aspects of NS2 are better/worse than NS1?
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First person evolving/gestating with dynamic fov
Regenerating health/healing sounds for alien structures
View shifting on heavy damage/death
Web weapon slot
Audible pain noises
Cloaking percentage bar
NS1 alien hud bars (yes I know ns2+ has an option for it)
More doors
Pronounced blood spray effects
Combat gamemode
Though despite that list of things I love about NS1 that I wish NS2 had, the thing that can stay in NS1 is alien movement, NS2 alien movement in my opinion is drastically easier to use and the NS1 lerks and fades specifically felt like trying to fly a bus.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9dCGxf6LlyNkyaQ4GkJ9tA
Quality isn't good, but still you know how it worked
Since I tried ns1 a while ago to record the demo, I noticed some annoying things which does ns2 better
- Field of View... it's insane how low the FoV in Halflife1 engine was... I was used to it, but trieing to play it now feels really bad
- hard to turn Mouseacceleration off (wasting a lot of time)
What I miss in ns2 - or what ns1 did better:
- Basically the good hitreg, the instant reaction you get... I had a rifle of 50 bullets - 11 were needed to kill a skulk... If I concentrage and they bunnyhop at me - 3 skulks were seriously possible to get down
- GorgeWebs... just shoot at two Spots at a wall and the Web appears between those two spots
- The lack of bugs after every patch ... like the sounds sometimes get dismissed and stuff
- A way to play with low fps... I had a fucking weak PC but I could just use max_fps 60 or something and it worked fine and looked even fine...
- HMG (20 Damage 125 Bullets, wide spread, awesome sound ... in terms of balance the damage would be something like 15 in ns2)
- The quickness of fades, the real bunnyhop
- As a Marine the doublejump / silencejump (Which you see me do in the video)
- Balancing was done with the community (From what I noticed they worked more closely with the ENSL and it was possible to find a fair balancing for pubs and for competitive, so there was no need for a compmod... later existed a compmod but it was only to avoid abuses with settings or to handle pause or how to start a game)
- ns1 Combat... was like normal ns1 only a bit modified with later upgrades.. not like an outsourced game which is completely different
Wait, are you saying ns2 is buggy? Disregarding the flamethrower issue, when was the last time ns2 has had any serious bugs?
But this is combat on ns_lost and ns_tanith? How does that work? I was under the impression the game mode was selected based on the "ns_", "co_" and "co_aa/co_mm" prefixes. Not to mention the fact the map required a different entity compiler set for each custom game mode
^Wait a minute this ain't combat, they are just shotgun rushing, not even building the initial IP. So it looks like combat, well played had me fooled for a bit!
He did kinda forget to mention the vastly superior netcode, hitreg and proper collisions in this third generation quake tech compared to Spark. Oh and the awesome and most of all, the accurate sound engine!
I'm sorry, ofc ns2 is always bugfree, bugs are instantly fixed like the percentage-"hpbars" and crashes never ever occur
Don't be silly, of course they occur.
Those are features. I just wish they are properly documented in the change log.
- Relocate CC anywhere on the map.
- Mine ladders.
- CO
- Primal scream 4 lerk.
- location specific beacon sound.
- Searching for and killing the last player from the loosing team.
What I don't miss from NS(1)
- Players hitting F4 if a win looked difficult.
- Bunny hopping, Wall strafing.
Bunnyhopping was the best thing about aliens/kharra.
Marine Double jumping/wall sliding was the best thing about marines.
The end.
Here's my thoughts, perhaps you might nostalgia out a bit,
Audible squeek as a grenade is ejected, knowing the physics behind the bounce followed by timing the bounce right on audio cue alone proportionate to where you are standing transposed to where the gun was actually shot. From that little audio flutter as the grenade(in my case the shuttlecock if you will let me visualize for us in this moment) hits the ground and you have only a moment to dodge in the midst of being fired upon by marines with HMGS, you exit the room with explosions behind your ass only denting a slight part of your armor and the marines wondering what a fucking mess they just made with the bullet spray on the walls, i miss everything.
features a few people you might recognize.
I'll post some more when i can, if anyone needs some more information withen the video, like peoples rates, aliases, special commands etc i can provide.
Putin putting the bug in bugs
Cloaked Onos with devour, scared the crap out of a buddy of mine who made his first steps into NS as a greenie marine
He did yell at me, but that's what I feed on
Also!
- Egg spaypaint
- Hive mind and bitching Betty talky bits like, "The enemy approaches", "Sentry firing", "Do something about it"
- Builder Gorge!!!!!!!!
- "DooDooo" sound
Haha bloody teflon and his "kogelbiefstuk", typical Dutch sarcasm. And the bloody uncensored banter, very recognizable
I can't imagine that happening with NS2 nowadays. I get frustrated if games are over 45 minutes.
I get frustrated too, but my first game of NS2 was 8 hours long.
Bunch of lightweights. We're still locked in an epic battle over here on Nancy, trying to find Noname...
Oh and hi! Randomly thought I’d see how things were going.
I have so many questions!
Why does everything look so cartoony? Why does the beacon make no sound? Why is the pistol so strong? Why did you only get 20 bullets when the commander dropped you ammo? Why is there creep on the walls in marine territory? Why do you keep "throwing" grenades but no grenade projectile ever gets thrown?
Toon skin pack, some players preferred using it because it makes players stand out more.
I dunno about the beacon sound.
Pistol has always been a beast if you can use it.
NS1 Ammo packs only gave you one gun full of ammo per pack.
Infestation was pre-placed onto maps by the mapper as there wasn't a infestation system like NS2 has.
You could prime the grenade throw in NS1, it was a trick that if you hold the fire button as the grenade was about to be thrown, the grenade would still be in that animation state until you let go, this would let you prepare the grenade and throw it instantaneously at the sight of an alien.
Pistol was strong, you could empty your clip instantly, but it was hard to aim if you were against really good players who knew how to dodge... I could for example strafe left and right and I had a high chance that only 1-2 bullets hit me while someone was trying to pistol me...
I dislike the fact that you never ever see the minimap open :<