ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
he did not 'recode' it
he never touched to core of NS
I am guessing that voogru's server works much they way a bot does (interposes itself between the mod and HL, catching some commands and changing them)
it is a realyingteresting topic
go look for bot tutorials to learn more <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am guessing that voogru's server works much they way a bot does (interposes itself between the mod and HL, catching some commands and changing them) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You are 100% correct, My mod works the same identicle way a bot works, Only its not a bot. If Flayra were to try to stop this, he could only slow me down, AND it would slow down development of other programs as well.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Did you have the decency to ask Flayra if you could recode his creation? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I asked him how he felt about it, he didnt like it but he never told me to stop running it. And again, I did not recode his creation Most of the stuff he did i cannot change (I can only change certain things, the simple fact i can change resources on aliens is really a very amazing if not shocking thing.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Voogru has still changed the game for the worse. With any luck you will add in more "features" that will choke your servers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I changed the game the way i would like it to be played, My server runs just as stable with the mod as it does without it, I have made a few booboo's but i have plucked them out. If you dont like my mod you dont have to play there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This bit of "wisdom" brought to you by a cheating admin. (Before I get any flames or banning, this is NOT an opinion. I have personally witnessed King Kahuna cheat)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, adding flares to the map is die-hard cheating, You must remember my server rules are a little different than other servers. If admins cheated all the time it would never have players in it like it does. Also you must note i alert all the players when such a command is ran, I could have never put in that in, and you wouldnt think king cheats (which he doesnt, He is the one who pays for my servers.)
Now please, Will you people please stop flaming me? I have done nothing to ANY of you people. And I am not leaving the NS community unless Flayra asks me too himself.
<!--QuoteBegin--voogru+Dec 19 2002, 12:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (voogru @ Dec 19 2002, 12:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am guessing that voogru's server works much they way a bot does (interposes itself between the mod and HL, catching some commands and changing them) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You are 100% correct, My mod works the same identicle way a bot works, Only its not a bot. If Flayra were to try to stop this, he could only slow me down, AND it would slow down development of other programs as well.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Did you have the decency to ask Flayra if you could recode his creation? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I asked him how he felt about it, he didnt like it but he never told me to stop running it. And again, I did not recode his creation Most of the stuff he did i cannot change (I can only change certain things, the simple fact i can change resources on aliens is really a very amazing if not shocking thing.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Voogru has still changed the game for the worse. With any luck you will add in more "features" that will choke your servers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I changed the game the way i would like it to be played, My server runs just as stable with the mod as it does without it, I have made a few booboo's but i have plucked them out. If you dont like my mod you dont have to play there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This bit of "wisdom" brought to you by a cheating admin. (Before I get any flames or banning, this is NOT an opinion. I have personally witnessed King Kahuna cheat)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, adding flares to the map is die-hard cheating, You must remember my server rules are a little different than other servers. If admins cheated all the time it would never have players in it like it does. Also you must note i alert all the players when such a command is ran, I could have never put in that in, and you wouldnt think king cheats (which he doesnt, He is the one who pays for my servers.)
Now please, Will you people please stop flaming me? I have done nothing to ANY of you people. And I am not leaving the NS community unless Flayra asks me too himself.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about King Kahuna who hands weapons out to people. ANY HELP AT ALL IN ANY WAY IS CHEATING.
Cheating is not modding, it's called CHEATING.
Changing the Mona Lisa because you don't like the color of paint is as queer as the servers you run. And I don't mean queer as in a homosexual. I mean queer as "warped in nature".
It is wrong, unoriginal and the game changes should be left to the creators.
*EDIT*: While I'm thinking about it a lot of talk has gone into "I just gave myself a jetpack at the end to fly around"
OK you didn't give weapons out and you lost but this is STILL CHEATING.
Maybe I'm just dense, perhaps too nOObish, but it seems to me recycling is not only counter productive to the hive, it is wasteful as well.
Let em elaborate.
When an alien dies a certain amount of it's resources are added back into the group pool, correct? Not all but at least some. What then is the purpose of recycling? Would it not serve the hive better to go marine hunting, perhaps base bashing? Is not the end result the same? A dead alien with the resources returned to the pool. However there is an added benefit of attacking to die, you may actually help the team out by killing a marine or two, or even wasting a structure while your at it. Keeping the marines on the defensive at the start of the game is the job of the skulk. How can you do that if the skulks all recycle? What is to keep the marines from hunting up your hive to take it out if your whole team (almost) recycles? Or for a few marines to camp out the 2 hives yet to be built waiting for that gorge to show up to build. Gee all the work to get your resources to your gorge and he gets killed trying to build that first hive early.
What is the underlying strategy there? I don't see it.
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he never touched to core of NS
I am guessing that voogru's server works much they way a bot does (interposes itself between the mod and HL, catching some commands and changing them)
it is a realyingteresting topic
go look for bot tutorials to learn more <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are 100% correct, My mod works the same identicle way a bot works, Only its not a bot. If Flayra were to try to stop this, he could only slow me down, AND it would slow down development of other programs as well.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Did you have the decency to ask Flayra if you could recode his creation? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I asked him how he felt about it, he didnt like it but he never told me to stop running it. And again, I did not recode his creation Most of the stuff he did i cannot change (I can only change certain things, the simple fact i can change resources on aliens is really a very amazing if not shocking thing.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Voogru has still changed the game for the worse. With any luck you will add in more "features" that will choke your servers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I changed the game the way i would like it to be played, My server runs just as stable with the mod as it does without it, I have made a few booboo's but i have plucked them out. If you dont like my mod you dont have to play there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This bit of "wisdom" brought to you by a cheating admin. (Before I get any flames or banning, this is NOT an opinion. I have personally witnessed King Kahuna cheat)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, adding flares to the map is die-hard cheating, You must remember my server rules are a little different than other servers. If admins cheated all the time it would never have players in it like it does. Also you must note i alert all the players when such a command is ran, I could have never put in that in, and you wouldnt think king cheats (which he doesnt, He is the one who pays for my servers.)
Now please, Will you people please stop flaming me? I have done nothing to ANY of you people. And I am not leaving the NS community unless Flayra asks me too himself.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are 100% correct, My mod works the same identicle way a bot works, Only its not a bot. If Flayra were to try to stop this, he could only slow me down, AND it would slow down development of other programs as well.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Did you have the decency to ask Flayra if you could recode his creation? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I asked him how he felt about it, he didnt like it but he never told me to stop running it. And again, I did not recode his creation Most of the stuff he did i cannot change (I can only change certain things, the simple fact i can change resources on aliens is really a very amazing if not shocking thing.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Voogru has still changed the game for the worse. With any luck you will add in more "features" that will choke your servers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I changed the game the way i would like it to be played, My server runs just as stable with the mod as it does without it, I have made a few booboo's but i have plucked them out. If you dont like my mod you dont have to play there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This bit of "wisdom" brought to you by a cheating admin. (Before I get any flames or banning, this is NOT an opinion. I have personally witnessed King Kahuna cheat)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, adding flares to the map is die-hard cheating, You must remember my server rules are a little different than other servers. If admins cheated all the time it would never have players in it like it does. Also you must note i alert all the players when such a command is ran, I could have never put in that in, and you wouldnt think king cheats (which he doesnt, He is the one who pays for my servers.)
Now please, Will you people please stop flaming me? I have done nothing to ANY of you people. And I am not leaving the NS community unless Flayra asks me too himself.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about King Kahuna who hands weapons out to people. ANY HELP AT ALL IN ANY WAY IS CHEATING.
Cheating is not modding, it's called CHEATING.
Changing the Mona Lisa because you don't like the color of paint is as queer as the servers you run. And I don't mean queer as in a homosexual. I mean queer as "warped in nature".
It is wrong, unoriginal and the game changes should be left to the creators.
*EDIT*: While I'm thinking about it a lot of talk has gone into "I just gave myself a jetpack at the end to fly around"
OK you didn't give weapons out and you lost but this is STILL CHEATING.
Let em elaborate.
When an alien dies a certain amount of it's resources are added back into the group pool, correct? Not all but at least some. What then is the purpose of recycling? Would it not serve the hive better to go marine hunting, perhaps base bashing? Is not the end result the same? A dead alien with the resources returned to the pool. However there is an added benefit of attacking to die, you may actually help the team out by killing a marine or two, or even wasting a structure while your at it. Keeping the marines on the defensive at the start of the game is the job of the skulk. How can you do that if the skulks all recycle? What is to keep the marines from hunting up your hive to take it out if your whole team (almost) recycles? Or for a few marines to camp out the 2 hives yet to be built waiting for that gorge to show up to build. Gee all the work to get your resources to your gorge and he gets killed trying to build that first hive early.
What is the underlying strategy there? I don't see it.