Are You A Team Player?

Kid-A · December 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">Find others!</div> I came from a mod called 'Day of Defeat' which had a teamplay ethic. Not as strong as NS but still there. A number of forum goers thought up an organization that people could join to show they were experienced teamplayers, it was called 'Online Warfare Pact' [OwP].

I think a similar set-up would be beneficial to NS and its community.

Anyone want to set it up?

One thing I would recommend, alot of people who used the OwP tag as they thought it was merely a 'i don't cheat tag' which cheaters then proceeded to use so they'd be under less suspision. So steer away from this side.

Possible names
[TPA] - Team players association
[OTP] - Online Teamplay Pact
suggestions welcome.

ph4t_rabb1t · December 2002

methinks its a good idea...

SemperFi · December 2002

Heh yeah im familiar with [OwP]. Although i must admit i was under the impressoin that it was an anti llama guild or something.

Ahnteis · December 2002

Sounds similar to TFC's TPF. Interesting idea. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Delirium_enD · December 2002

Sounds like the [DTM] in Tribes (Dragon Talon Mercenaries). I'll sign up.

Though, fair warning to commanders. Team Players spend too much time building stuff to help out the team, that they don't get the firing range practice in they should. Hence, Teamplayer generally = horrible shot <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'> (just a joke obviously, though in my experience most team players, while great and dependable people, aren't as good at dropping everything that moves. Mostly because they care about the team more)

n00b101 · December 2002

That'd be nice, count me in !

DArtagnan · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Team Players spend too much time building stuff to help out the team </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Isn't this line a bit contradictory? I see building as a great service to the team. Also, why do you stereotype a "team player" as the "builder?" Isn't covering your comrade while he puts down his weapon to build another way of teamplaying?

Delirium_enD · December 2002

D'ar, you didn't read that full line, it was.

"Most team players spend too much time building things to help out the team that they don't get in the practice at the firing range".

Meaning, they're too busy building to get practice shooting stuff.

And I agree, covering someone who is building is just as good an act of team work. In fact I LIKE it when someone covers me, or a group of people who are building things. At the very least it gives everyone a warning to stop building and whip out the guns to defend the location.

My first post was a joke, it wasn't meant to insult anyone. Especially as generally the people on a games forums are the ones who are the team players.

Sorry, didn't mean it to offend or anything. Just a light-humored comment based on the observations I've had on several servers.

Zevensoft · December 2002

I think it should be reduced to a special symbol though, so it doesn't extend the name too much. Or perhaps, make it like the (proposed) NSGuide system, where a special icon appears next to the name of a person who is in the group. This would require a membership to get it, so no one could fake it.

Orcrist · December 2002

Cool idea <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'> I'd join it.

And now I know what [OwP] stands for <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Kid-A · December 2002

OK so it seems this has some support but I don't really know how to go about setting this up. However there is a similar thing for most mods/games that require teamplay (except maybe CS?)

Well I suppose the principles would be:
-No insulting of other players
-No cheating
-Following of commanders orders unless ridiculous
-Promote teamplay if necessary, come up with plans, ask people to for assistance.

The value of this tag/symbol is that upon joining a server a commander and other players would know that this person is not just going to wander off when covering them, and are generally dependable.

It is not strict, you can go and rambo if you have no orders. But the idea is when an outpost is under attack you would go to defend it to the best of your ability.

As for a 'special' unique symbol it is pretty pointless as cheaters would just find a way to get it and it would add alot more work (a wonid database) and it is important that this tag would still only matter if the people behaved well.

Any suggestions, improvements post or PM me. (esp on HOW to set this up)

Angelus · December 2002

I like the sound of this idea... I never actually heard of one before. (CS doesnt have one btw, i came from there to here... this much better)... But, as i like teamplay, and prefer to work in a team than as a one man army... If this goes ahead, count me in for it... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

PseudoKnight · December 2002

This was already done way before the game actually was released. Wonder what happened to it.

DArtagnan · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delirium_enD @ Dec 23 2002, 01:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>D'ar, you didn't read that full line.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
I see it now, I'm sorry, I was in the wrong.

I'm just really sensitive about teamplay... People need to realize that this game is the new paradigm... I never imagined that the term "First Person Strategy" would ever become viable.

Teamplay is vital, and I think any efforts toward "branding" good team players are appropriate. It would be great to join a game and quickly see that you were among players who respect the game and its ideals.

pielemuis · December 2002

yeah already been done, it's called the NSF, i've seen a couple of NSF guys on servers, so they should be still around. Do a search on the forums they had/have a site but i don't have the link.

Kung_Fool · December 2002

Would love to be a member of it, sign me up!

Kid-A · January 2003

Where can I find out about this NSF? It won't let me search on the forums for such a small word. I don't want to repeat there work, but they seem to have a rather small presence atm.

Teufel_Eldritch · January 2003

Personally Im not fond of "Teamplay Guilds" as they inevitably end up creating more dischord and elitism in a community that they are supposed to be a part of. Yes I know about TPF and OwP. Who hasnt? What Im getting at is that the guild members of such groups tend to think they are better than everyone else and/or they think they are some kind of "Teamplay Police" or that theyalone know how to play the game as it was truly meant to be played. They get "uppity." Dont tell me that isnt the case when I KNOW it is. Ive played TFC ever since it first came out for HL(no I didnt play the original TF) and DoD since it was released. I have seen this behavior with my very own eyes. In fact one of the major reasons why I quit playing TFC(and consequently quit supporting TPF) was because of the TPF vs normal players debate on "chasing." Dont even get me started on that.

All in all though the choice isnt mine. You wanna start/join some "teamplay guild" for NS? Go right ahead I aint stopping ya. Just dont expect me to automatically respect you just because you have some leet tag on. Respect from me has to be earned, not given.

Supernorn · January 2003

im in...bring it on...

FlatlineUTD · January 2003

Count me in!

DooM_Space_Marine · January 2003

I'm in!...but, how about an IRC channel, so we can find games fast? =)

Kenichi · January 2003

Their is a flaw with this plan. Team playing means nothing without strategy, Just because you have a teamplay guild doesnt mean any of you know how to properly use your team play in a tactical manner which best supports your team.

Irrelevancy · January 2003

cool~ count mi in 2!

Speed_2_Dave · January 2003

I agree with the earlier post. The NSF is the first, and should be the foremost. I think their rules include "if you don't know how to command, don't jump in the chair!" "help you and your teammates out" and other stuff like that.

Kenichi · January 2003

Why not just make a clan.

T_RAT · January 2003

Yea coming from DoD i have owned and been the OWP guys. im suprised theres not 1 already? i also think they should set up something.

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Hellbilly · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi @ Jan 3 2003, 11:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Their is a flaw with this plan. Team playing means nothing without strategy, Just because you have a teamplay guild doesnt mean any of you know how to properly use your team play in a tactical manner which best supports your team.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
They are talking about starting a friendly teamplay guild, not a CAL-i clan.

Jacturus · January 2003

I like this idea and am interested, but I also think that Teufel Eldritch has hit on something that I agree with...that creating teamplay guilds may cause some problems if the guild loses sight that this is just a game. That it's all about having fun on both sides. It's good to have people dedicated to teamplay and helping others, but it's also important to promote fun in a game. The best games I've ever played in were when both sides just screwed around, where marines could ride Onos and walls of CC were made against a horde of Fades. Despite these silly acts we still played as a team. I'm not saying the teamplay guild thing is bad, I'm just saying we need to avoid that "elitist" kind of attitude which can often plague a good idea.

Well, enough negative thoughts here... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Kid-A · January 2003

Teamplay guilds can lead to 'elitism' but its not really the fault of the guild more the players that join. Generally people the who think they are '1337' are the first to sign up to declare their knowledge of the game. Some of these people tend also to have a attitide problem when it comes to other gamers, eg; insulting n00bs instead of helping them, abusing teammates. For a guild to prevent such incidents would require ALOT of policing, which you can't really expect them to do. But on the whole they can be useful.

People keep mentioning NSF but there I can't find anything about it, can smoeone who knows please post as I can't find any info about them. (search doesnt work for 'NSF', perhaps if someone could just post what it stands for?)

Are You A Team Player?

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