<!--QuoteBegin--Teufel Eldritch+Jan 6 2003, 09:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Teufel Eldritch @ Jan 6 2003, 09:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Customers? No. Guests is a more appropiate term in my eyes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> agreed. As an admin of a cs server for 2 years, and now running a small NS server, it is just silly the number of players that think it is their server. As a server op, I tell my admins how to run the server. If the players don't like the way its run, they may tell me why they think it would be better to run it another way, but it is up to me in the end. If they are still unhappy, they can find another server to play on.
As far as no clipping, I allow the admins to unclip people. They do it when they can though, so if the player dies because the admin is is combat, the player dies. It is a game glitch as you should not be able to get stuck in walls etc... My players have not complained about this one bit. As far as forcing the players to build certain things, I disagree with that, if they want to decide what to build, they should be the gorge or commader.
If you run a server, and want it to be popular, you have to think about how the players will react to the rules you have for admins. If you don't care if its popular then who cares what the admins do.
I try to strike a balance between the players and the admins on how they run the server, but what it comes down to in the end is that if a player doesn't like it, too bad. There are other servers out there.
Its true there are some really bad admins, but if you find one, if possiable report them to the server op, and if they say its not a problem, just play on another server.
<!--QuoteBegin--Brutus+Jan 6 2003, 11:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Jan 6 2003, 11:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cracker jackmac, rcon commands, and the frequency they are used can tell a different story depending on who views them. No ban may mean that you do not ban for racist remarks or cheating. It could mean that your admins do not know how to spot a cheater. That would not be a server I would want to play on.
I think you have to take into account what rules are on a server. If they say no racist remarks or you are banned and somebody says it, then they should be banned.
Being banned for killing an admin is kind of stupid, and again I wouldn't play on a server like that. It is always hard to please everybody, I have learned this after 4 years of running servers. That is why I choose the idea of creating a server with a specific type of player in mind. In fact most of the servers I run are invite only, so we don't have to worry about it. NS was left open to the public to help promote it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i think that the cheating issue is in at least 10 threads right now. go read them then come back. it may mean that he has the plugins that stop people from being able to cheat.
racist comments, i think that a kick usually gets the message accross, bans are not always the right way to go, kick will get the player off the server, and if he comes back then he is less likely to abuse again, if he does then kick or ckick/ban but i dont find that this happens
I hate to sound like an caboose, but I am an caboose. While my reputation is important to me, and I value the people who come to my server, I am NOT in their employee. It will be a cold day in hell when I go out to purchase and build a server of the size I made, just so a few hundred people a day can consider me their free doormat. I expect a level of behavior and ettiquite (sp) out of the people that play on the server, and if they don't live up to it I could care less who they are. The "Public" server I run is for my enjoyment as much as theirs, and if they tred on my feet, they are gone quite fast.
Other side of this, we are very oriented towards the guests on the server, and run at a very low level of admins. What this implies is a greater trust in the people playing. I expect people to act their age. If they can't do that, it's not my fault they are unable to play there anymore. They didn't live up to the trust I gave them. If they live up to it, they get to enjoy an environment where admin abuse is nonexistant. In fact admins do not have the power on my server to even be abusive. So I feel that in this way, we dodge the bullet big servers bite almost all the time, admin abuse.
It's a falsehood though that any one, 2, ten, or clan of players is so integral to a server that they make the server. While you may not attract the origional crowd you had, once a server truly becomes popular, 20 people is a drop of water in the stream. You are ultimately expendable. Rough thing to say and I know many people spend SO much time and get SO involved that their favorite server can practically be their "home". But you're only kidding yourself if you think the owner will ever think the same as you do about it, so don't take advantage of what is being given freely to you.
<!--QuoteBegin--|-ECA.ShocK-TroopeR+Jan 6 2003, 04:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (|-ECA.ShocK-TroopeR @ Jan 6 2003, 04:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->racist comments, i think that a kick usually gets the message accross, bans are not always the right way to go, kick will get the player off the server, and if he comes back then he is less likely to abuse again, if he does then kick or ckick/ban but i dont find that this happens<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i have plenty of other ppl hammering my server trying to get in. Him not connecting to get back is more than fine by me. because i rarely get to play more than 40m at a time now.
The autoban thing is the best for MY server. ban is the same as a kick...except i don't have to bother with him comming back and doing it again (reason i put the autoban in)
and in my consgreet is says ZERO TOLERANCE (not even the admins are immune)
i banned myself many times testing it. Nobody is immune on my server, and its only done it 3-4 times, but thats beause they didn't read the rules obviously.
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In my case, many of the players on my server are in fact paying customers. I just wanted to point that out, given I work at a gaming cafe.
In any case, most servers do not need to put up with stupid, racist, cheating llamas. In fact, I don't even put up with it when people are paying to do so. Why? They are not allowed to have fun in a way that denies another person of their paid-for fun. <i>Period</i>. When you don't have to pay any fee, and the person running the server does, you should be happy enough that the admin lets you play there at all. They don't have to run public servers. We could have all private servers, and only those liked by admins would be able to play. But that isn't the case, because some people enjoy making the lives of other's enjoyable. If you take away their enjoyment by defiling their server or any other guests of their server, you deserve to be kicked.
This is a good post, everyone should read it...we should fly to the houses of the evil admins like boomer and...I dunno... <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> them??
Anyway, if you want to hit some good servers, www.chimayhem.org is a good spot that lists a few including the CHI Mayhem server itself.
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agreed. As an admin of a cs server for 2 years, and now running a small NS server, it is just silly the number of players that think it is their server.
As a server op, I tell my admins how to run the server. If the players don't like the way its run, they may tell me why they think it would be better to run it another way, but it is up to me in the end. If they are still unhappy, they can find another server to play on.
As far as no clipping, I allow the admins to unclip people. They do it when they can though, so if the player dies because the admin is is combat, the player dies. It is a game glitch as you should not be able to get stuck in walls etc... My players have not complained about this one bit. As far as forcing the players to build certain things, I disagree with that, if they want to decide what to build, they should be the gorge or commader.
If you run a server, and want it to be popular, you have to think about how the players will react to the rules you have for admins. If you don't care if its popular then who cares what the admins do.
I try to strike a balance between the players and the admins on how they run the server, but what it comes down to in the end is that if a player doesn't like it, too bad. There are other servers out there.
Its true there are some really bad admins, but if you find one, if possiable report them to the server op, and if they say its not a problem, just play on another server.
I think you have to take into account what rules are on a server. If they say no racist remarks or you are banned and somebody says it, then they should be banned.
Being banned for killing an admin is kind of stupid, and again I wouldn't play on a server like that. It is always hard to please everybody, I have learned this after 4 years of running servers. That is why I choose the idea of creating a server with a specific type of player in mind. In fact most of the servers I run are invite only, so we don't have to worry about it. NS was left open to the public to help promote it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i think that the cheating issue is in at least 10 threads right now. go read them then come back. it may mean that he has the plugins that stop people from being able to cheat.
racist comments, i think that a kick usually gets the message accross, bans are not always the right way to go, kick will get the player off the server, and if he comes back then he is less likely to abuse again, if he does then kick or ckick/ban but i dont find that this happens
Other side of this, we are very oriented towards the guests on the server, and run at a very low level of admins. What this implies is a greater trust in the people playing. I expect people to act their age. If they can't do that, it's not my fault they are unable to play there anymore. They didn't live up to the trust I gave them. If they live up to it, they get to enjoy an environment where admin abuse is nonexistant. In fact admins do not have the power on my server to even be abusive. So I feel that in this way, we dodge the bullet big servers bite almost all the time, admin abuse.
It's a falsehood though that any one, 2, ten, or clan of players is so integral to a server that they make the server. While you may not attract the origional crowd you had, once a server truly becomes popular, 20 people is a drop of water in the stream. You are ultimately expendable. Rough thing to say and I know many people spend SO much time and get SO involved that their favorite server can practically be their "home". But you're only kidding yourself if you think the owner will ever think the same as you do about it, so don't take advantage of what is being given freely to you.
Just my 2 cents, take them as you will.
i have plenty of other ppl hammering my server trying to get in. Him not connecting to get back is more than fine by me. because i rarely get to play more than 40m at a time now.
The autoban thing is the best for MY server. ban is the same as a kick...except i don't have to bother with him comming back and doing it again (reason i put the autoban in)
and in my consgreet is says ZERO TOLERANCE (not even the admins are immune)
i banned myself many times testing it. Nobody is immune on my server, and its only done it 3-4 times, but thats beause they didn't read the rules obviously.
where does this come in then? if you have banned peole, how come nobody is banned? is this just players banned by rcon?
if you check the config files it ignores all "admin_" lines.
In any case, most servers do not need to put up with stupid, racist, cheating llamas. In fact, I don't even put up with it when people are paying to do so. Why? They are not allowed to have fun in a way that denies another person of their paid-for fun. <i>Period</i>. When you don't have to pay any fee, and the person running the server does, you should be happy enough that the admin lets you play there at all. They don't have to run public servers. We could have all private servers, and only those liked by admins would be able to play. But that isn't the case, because some people enjoy making the lives of other's enjoyable. If you take away their enjoyment by defiling their server or any other guests of their server, you deserve to be kicked.
Anyway, if you want to hit some good servers, www.chimayhem.org is a good spot that lists a few including the CHI Mayhem server itself.
Plus mine will be up soon.
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