Simple Rules For Converters

RoadMasterRoadMaster Join Date: 2002-06-01 Member: 718Members
<div class="IPBDescription">To keep respect in the modeling communit</div> Sorry for this rant but you all know how controvertial I am anyway, so I'd just like to post some basic guildelines for you converters out there so that you don't end up being a jerk while you are on the way to converting your models.

Firstly, READ the readmes! If you want to convert a model into NS or any other game if there is a readme included with the original model READ IT. It might have important information on what the author thinks of redistribution or modding of their work.

Secondly e-mail the original author! Ask them for permission to convert the model if you can find their e-mail. Obviously this doesn't apply to big corporate models that you are converting, like some of the AVP2 stuff, but when you are converting models from one mod to another, or from a lonely player made model for another game, give the creator a chance to respond. It's up to you to get permission from the original modeller, not the modeller's job to search for conversions of their work.

Lastly, as most people do this step anyway, but sometimes skip the first two, give the original authors the credit they deserve, even if it is a conversion from a big game like Quake or AVP2, make sure to include the model's source in your readme, never under ANY circumstances take credit for the hard work someone else put into a model. You converted the model, but don't take credit for its creation.

From now on I'll try not to bring this topic into any more conversion threads, because this is my final drilling of the point into the ground. If you're making conversions, think before you release... keep the community respectful.

This has been a public service announcement by your friendly modeller RoadMaster

Comments

  • TheEnigmaTheEnigma Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1519Members
    Yes, quite contorvertial.
  • JimJim Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9989Members
    I don't usually do readmes, but I will <b>always</b> credit authors in the post I make - it's just ignorant to claim other people's work as your own.
  • CaptainPanakaCaptainPanaka Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4718Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jim+Jan 28 2003, 12:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jim @ Jan 28 2003, 12:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't usually do readmes, but I will <b>always</b> credit authors in the post I make - it's just ignorant to claim other people's work as your own. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I didn't convert any model but reskinned some in the past. I <b>always</b> credited the authors in the reskin's readme. But if one of the authors is unknown I just put a "by Unknown" into the gaps until I know <b>who</b> was responsable for this work. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RoadMasterRoadMaster Join Date: 2002-06-01 Member: 718Members
    as I said the third step is a given which most converters do anyway.... it's the first two that people should also be doing but don't....
  • Duo_MaxwellDuo_Maxwell Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4631Members
    edited January 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jim+Jan 27 2003, 10:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jim @ Jan 27 2003, 10:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't usually do readmes, but I will <b>always</b> credit authors in the post I make - it's just ignorant to claim other people's work as your own. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yea , evrybody's thake the AvsP2 pulsrifle CONVERION (mesh) that i made as there own work <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Btw they alwais forget to add the AvsP2 team and me for the conversion to the credits (Desolation is the only one who's dowing it the right way.)
  • VecdranVecdran Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2323Members
    I give em credit. If they were so antsy to not have people use their work, they'd copyright it.
  • TheEnigmaTheEnigma Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1519Members
    Listen, people, you can't just do that. You HAVE to ask the person first, giving them credit simply isn't enough. Kthx.
  • CommandoCommando Join Date: 2002-05-22 Member: 657Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited January 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Vecdran+Jan 28 2003, 06:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vecdran @ Jan 28 2003, 06:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I give em credit. If they were so antsy to not have people use their work, they'd copyright it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Anything you create is automatically copyrighted.

    Also, I really do not like converters. I've been involved in modelling communities and there is nothing more annoying to the creators than having their guns 'converted'.

    Also I think converting AvP 2 models is very likely to be illegal and I believe it is actually against the forum rules.
  • TheEnigmaTheEnigma Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1519Members
    Yussir, Poor man's copyright for you. As long as you can prove you made it first, it's copyrightable by you. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Indeed, every time you convert without asking permission, you are liable to have legal action taken against you. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • DesolationDesolation Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5799Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Commando+Jan 28 2003, 12:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Commando @ Jan 28 2003, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also I think converting AvP 2 models is very likely to be illegal and I believe it is actually against the forum rules. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually Fox Interactive said it was ok.
  • VecdranVecdran Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2323Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Commando+Jan 28 2003, 06:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Commando @ Jan 28 2003, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Vecdran+Jan 28 2003, 06:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vecdran @ Jan 28 2003, 06:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I give em credit. If they were so antsy to not have people use their work, they'd copyright it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Anything you create is automatically copyrighted.

    Also, I really do not like converters. I've been involved in modelling communities and there is nothing more annoying to the creators than having their guns 'converted'.

    Also I think converting AvP 2 models is very likely to be illegal and I believe it is actually against the forum rules. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually, nothing is automatically copyrighted. You must go through certain procedures to copyright material. The easiest way is to mail the material to your self and never open the package. When (if ever) you go to court, they will take it as copyrighted material.
  • RoadMasterRoadMaster Join Date: 2002-06-01 Member: 718Members
    and what if one has the original PSD file? computer files are dated. It's always automatically copyrighted, you just can't PROVE your copyright in court without such things, but it is protected under copyright laws even if you don't do something tedious like mail it to yourself.
  • TheEnigmaTheEnigma Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1519Members
    Actually, you're wrong. Mailing something to yourself is not the only way of doing it, if you can accurately prove that something is yours I.E. a server log, dated file, floppy disk, etc, then it's admissable as a copyright. Kthx.
  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <a href='http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wci' target='_blank'>American Copyright Laws</a>

    Notice the section that says:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright... Copyright is secured <b>automatically</b> when the work is created<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • VecdranVecdran Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2323Members
    News to me. Thank you for the enlightenment.
  • RoadMasterRoadMaster Join Date: 2002-06-01 Member: 718Members
    edited January 2003
    oh and also, copyright laws protect your rights, but even if they weren't there (and in a sense they aren't considering most people here would never be prosecuted for such things) it's still disrespectful to convert a model without the original author's permission, whether you give credit or not in your posts/readmes. It's more of a morality issue than a legality
  • Wolf_KahlerWolf_Kahler Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10252Members
    Well, that throws me through a loop, 'ey? Good job, Fam.

    No, that's not sarcasm.
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