How To Counter Noobs.
DBZ_SuperGoku
Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13152Members
<div class="IPBDescription">So, getting stress over newbies?</div> I've find it quite frustruating working with noobs. But not all noobs are bad, the type of noobs that I tend to ignore are those who tell you to SUYF after you tried to help him out. Usually I would have to listen to useless arguement between a commander and a noob over their rights. It's just not worth risking ur sanity over it. Truely, they are probably from CS. But I've find working with some noobs to be quite a pleasant experience. Those type are usually from DOD where they have some basic teamwork skills. And damn some of these noobs know how to shoot, I mean I've seen a first day noob takin' out 4 aliens all by himself. ( one LMG for 2 aliens and he pick another 2 with a pistol)
I enjoy playing with those DOD type of noobs cause then after a few games, they will look after you and what do you get? A still-yet-a-noob but are more useful than some Expert who just wants it their way.
Anyway, I hope this help you guys out. I mean I've seen a lot of Commander cusses a lot, and I can't blame them. I mean at first when I start commanding I was just so **** at how dumb people can be. I still get mad from time to time but I tend to avoid argueing with the CS type noob.
Anyway, what have we learned really?
CS noobs = bad for your mental health, so avoid them at all costs.
DOD noobs = get you a friend who you can work with.
Peace, Sign. Urmm.. Hrmm which alias should I use... I'll go by urmm.. urmm.. arg.. so many urmm!! DOH!... Oh that's right, Bartman!!!
I enjoy playing with those DOD type of noobs cause then after a few games, they will look after you and what do you get? A still-yet-a-noob but are more useful than some Expert who just wants it their way.
Anyway, I hope this help you guys out. I mean I've seen a lot of Commander cusses a lot, and I can't blame them. I mean at first when I start commanding I was just so **** at how dumb people can be. I still get mad from time to time but I tend to avoid argueing with the CS type noob.
Anyway, what have we learned really?
CS noobs = bad for your mental health, so avoid them at all costs.
DOD noobs = get you a friend who you can work with.
Peace, Sign. Urmm.. Hrmm which alias should I use... I'll go by urmm.. urmm.. arg.. so many urmm!! DOH!... Oh that's right, Bartman!!!
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i used to play CS, it was fun.
i'm sure these ppl are idiots in their own right, independent of CS.
I noticed this too. About 50% of the newbies are semi-courtious and willing to learn from their team, and the other half are drooling morons who run around base asking for HA and a shotgun from the start of the game then proceed to die with it as soon as they exit the base. The best policy for everyone is to help the first kind as much as possible and ignore the second as much as possible.
WHAT **** ME OFF are some guys that were very close to vent, didnt even bother walking there and kept on asking me for siege turrets to blast through some useless tunnel full of some chambers. If i had a working mic on my headphones i would have shouted my head off but by anger connot be expressed beyond team chat messages. After we won that game the guy who kept on ignoring my orders (and i obviously was too busy to listen to his useless ideas) renamed his nick to 'i-hate-deff-comm' or smth like that (i was flattered). What i learned from this is dont waste your time on arguing with those kind of ppl (noob or not noob - it doesnt matter).
PS:
1) Sometimes i borrow my friends mic and commading is MUCH easier (coordinating the team and fells like more ppl listen to you).
2) Sorry for any mistakes (english isnt my first language)
Then again if someone cannot hear what he is ordered to he should say (write) so ASAP!
That is if he can hear that the order is for him.
/notsoflamingflame on
Cs n00b: All the baad qualities of a CS player. none of the good. Bad aim, whiner, lamer, ramboist. These people are not always new to cs. these people could actually be designers of the origional cs for all I care. this could also be written as Cs |4m3r5
Cs Vet:Generally doesn't Follow Orders, is very accurate and kills things. Is teamwork friendly in a grunt based way (not for the team but for the people he's making a push with).
Cs Elite:Follows orders to the word. recognizes the importance of memorizing map layout. usually a good shot but not always (a headshot is no longer a headshot so it requres a different aiming skill than twitch).
HL n00b:Require some help understanding the halflife engine and generally cant shoot for sh** but they try to do something for the team by either two methods: building if they are someone who is going to get anywhere in the game or suiciding which is useful in its own way.
DoD:I dont like DOD. I dont know people who play DoD. Therefore these people must suck. hey, I'm allowed to generalize too <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Quake:Refer to DoD
Duke Nukem 3d:r0x0rs your b0x0rz. too old to matter here.
HPB: Because everyone these days has low pings or doesn't play, the **** are the high pingers. the people who through so much packet loss cannot hear your voicecoms. The cannon fodder that get to take 4-5 munches before their computer catches up and they die (making a useful decoy btw)
People who RTFM: The best players. These are the gods of most games. These people go through forums and pay attention to those small details in the games. These are the small minority of the people who waste their lives playing games, and if I fall under this category in the eyes of others then YAY! These people are the ones that get killed and (depending on their hl mod heritage) "OMG" "You hacker!" "ffs" "BS!!!!!!" "****" "damn!" and so on (cs community of which I'm proud to be apart of) but are thinking actively about "now how did the hit boxes affect how that worked?" "what does that teach me about the half life engine and it's net code?"
Lamers who RTFM: Still the best players, but these people exploit every possible thing they can in a game that just went gold. They crouch in the small vents to exploit hit boxes for melee. they build outside of the map just to prolong a lost game. NOTE: It is everyone's job to try and thwart these people. make their life a living hell. maybe you can make them quit NS altogether.
Last but not least:
People with a microphone: These people care enough about the game that they realize that more meaningful communication can go on over coms. I could seperate these people into humans and lamers once again but we have all experienced them all and I have been good and bad on voice com. be nice guys, if you are told to turn your mic down, or completely off then do so. you are probably causeing massive amounts ofunwonted noise without uttering a word into the mic. NOTE: These are the only people who can effectively command. you just cant type fast enough while playing a game to be commander. Try hooking up a voice recognition program to hl. its funny.
Everyone Else: The truly disrespected minority.
FIRE!!!!::asrifle:: <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo-->
How Now Brown Cow? over and out!
1.) Go alien - Create more independence and rely less on teamwork. Become a hermit and don't care about other teammates.
2.) Go gorge - Best way to get the "gorge" to build the stuff you wan't.
3.) When you need to destroy something in your path to hives, go skulk yourself and do it. Ask other people to do it first (once or twice, don't spam), but since they don't, this is the most certain way to get the job done.
Pretty much all I can figure out to fix the situation and create as enjoyable game as possible.
i've had the pleasure of knowing some really nice CS players in my time, and DOD players to. in every game there will always be people who set out just to make an arse of themselfs, rather than call them CS noobs i prefer the term "ignorant newbies". These are people who are noobs, but dont really want to learn about how to play the game just run off and get some action, the ones that sit moaning for jetpacks and hmgs at base untill they are either given or they start trying to eject the comm because he wont give. the same is also true of newbie gorges for aliens, the one who will gorg no matter what the whole team says, rather than the friendly newbie who will go back to skulk, and the next game ask for advice on how to be the class.
the best marines are the friendly noobs, cos they dont rambo and enjoy building things. following waypoints is fun.
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DoD players tend to work better because they're more used to working as a team. That's basically it I guess.
And lets remember that new players arn't the ones who lose games a lot of the time. I've seen veteren experianced players ignore orders from ther commander and just waltz off doing whatever the hell they like. I've seen verbal fights break out over who's going to gorge. It's not just new players that are the cause of all our woes. Help the ones who are consturctive. Ignore the abusive ones. And STOP CALLING THEM NOOBS OH I HATE THAT WORD.
*ahem*
A little venting there, my apologies. Flame away
-tell them they should maybe read the manual
-tell them to go to the forum on the www.natural-selection.org website and read the sticky threads.
-tell them to read the F.A.Q.s
-give em pointers
IF they have the following characteristics (spelling?) chances are, it ain't worth it:
-They have "lame" nicknames (like SupaCock, Satan's_Living_Vagina, U_are_fuckmoronbiatch, etc... )
-They keep spamming the chat with messages you can't even understand (MARNIES RAE AT TEH THIG BITACH!?%")
-They insult everyone
-They have a high "n00bie" factor
-They are under 18 years old (you will still get immature 25 years old, but most of the "immature" players are 13-14. I mean no offense to people under 18, don't take this the wrong way).
Anyways, the best you can do is to be polite. If they start an argument, or insult you, just don't go there.
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i second that appeal. whatever happened to "newbie"
EDIT - Really most of the 200 people that play across our school should be your description of n00b, but coming from a rough area it is seemingly pleasent when playing half-life over the internet.
The n00bs are here to stay (or at least, they wont start comin)
Since this is a game of strategy tactics and skill, and the greater majority of new players dont like reading up on things and like being bossed around. Eventually they will learn.
But for each that actually does there comes new players and old players quit.
Its not a simple game. But its great, provided you learn a variety of skills
I am a CS newb. I have aprx. 10 hours of gameplay time, about 5-6 games, and I have not lost one. I began as Kharaa, expecting 'teamwork' on the marine side to be as 'teamwork' from CS, namely being non-existant, and even if the aliens had the slightest notion of teamwork, we'd take over. Then I tried marines. 4 players on marines, 1 commander, and one person that sat around the base asking for ammo. The other marine and I were decked out with HA/HMG and destroying everything, while the lesser end of the team went rambo on the hive, after discovering he could get his own ammo, and the commander asked him not to do that, and thus, gave him his gear again. Again, our friend, rushes the hive as asked not to do, and finds our commander won't re-equipt him!
After excessive swearing.. He leaves the game, putting the task of building 2 seige towers outside the enemy hive to us. As we switch out, guarding and building, as well as repairing each other. We finally get the base built, the seige cannons going off, and we form a heavy armor wall. Nothing gets past us, and in a few moments, the hive is down and side-by-side we march in and destroy the remaining skulks.
Noobs are new players who know everything.
Newbs are new players who want to learn everything <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Oh and I think everyone forgot to mention the TF and RA n00bs that swear by a rocket launcher addition to the game.
oy...
1) If they don't know what to do, which they don't, they do as you tell them to do
2) After a while, they will do automatically what you would like them to do. They are predictable <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I dontmind about the shooting/ biting skills, it is far more important to know
1) who to fight
2) where to fight
3) when to fight
4) when to stop fighting
5) the reason to fight
When you decide what to do, you win, no matter how bad you are at shooting. And when you tell this to noobs, they are way better than the average player
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Please, stop this comparing of NS to CS to DOD to Quake3 to Doom2 (<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why compare it to those games when we all know it really is PACMAN in another form... running around corridors being chased by monsters after power pods....
Tell me I am wrong!!! Flay, did ya play pacman when you was young? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
two i am up to here with noobs **Climbs to highest known location and holds hand above head while jumping** and have looked and looked for a mostly non noob server and guess what, i found one, and the games i play there are the best expiriences with NS ever! While searching for a good server i happened upon a fellow also looking for a good server, and he decided to comm a game (best way to test the Noobness of the server) and his marines were running everywhere but their waypoints and i could hear hinm tear his hair out of his scalp over the voice comm... he continuously answered questions about the game, told people what to do, his strat, what guns do what... i mean it was a elementry school playing on their lan i swear to god!!!! after many attempts to get more then one marine doing something positive (IE: me) he just quit... and i dont blame him, good players are not THAT responsible for teaching noobs, but it happens alot on servers most of you do not play on, i am just trying to let you all know what pains some of us teachers go through to turn a Noob into a decent player...