Life After The Third Hive.
Soldier_of_Misfortune
Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11957Members
Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11957Members
<div class="IPBDescription">For marines.</div> Yes Virginia. It IS possible to survive after the third hive. I kid you not.
You see for most public servers the third hive means this:
Alien1: Now we donce! ololol
Marine1: ****! They got 3 hives!
Commander panics and throws whatever is available on the floor
Aliens gas, and bile bomb the marine base
Marines cower in every available hiding spot and begain to ask for jetpacks so they can hide in the vent and prolong the game...just 'cuz.
Alien2: w00t going Onos guys!
Marine2: OMG ONOS IN BASE!
The spores are flying, babblers munching, onos bounding away and the fades dropping their bombs. What to do?
Well last night this exact scene popped up. We had HMG's and Heavy armor, and our men were paniking and cowering and the aliens were trying to get past the Turrets and the Marines. I and my real life brother next to me get heavy armor, HMG's, and full ammo. Intent on the destruction of a hive. We decide on nameless and we're off (unfortunatly not enough time to get a welder). Along our way to nameless hive we encounter 3 skulks, that go down in seconds to our HMGs, before they can Xenocide. Fair enough. We get to the room that has the two red hallways and encounter a few offence chambers. Careful not to give away our positions we sneak past them and bolt for the protection of one of the red hallways. Much to our surprise there was almost no defenses at the hive itself. A few offense chambers here and there at the main enterance, but since we were at the other end we were safe.
So we began to shoot. 2 clips later and many comical noises from the hive it finally roars and goes under. Our only opposition was the industrious little gorge, who was quickly dispatched once as a gorge, and twice when he came back. I have about 100 bullets left and my brother about 67. So now what? I ask for ammo. 5 minutes later i have 50 extra bullets which are gone soon after i take out the offense chambers. (still no fades or onos attacking us yet) I'm screaming at the commander over the mic to drop me: A comm chair and a phase. We could still win. We had 400 resources. His responce:
"Whats a phase gate"
I slap my hand against my forehead and my brother does about the same. We try and walk him through the process and about 5 minutes later the farthest i've gotten is an additional 15 health from a medpack he dropped me. However then came a fade who finished off my already weakened brother so i had to hide in the corner and asked the commander to watch over me every now and again and give me health and ammo. Neither of this came because he was too intent on keeping the area right outside the base secure. Fair enough, but it couldn't be that hard to do both. I'm not an expert commander, but i have done it a few times and even won once. It is not difficult to be able to keep watch over two battle groups. The fade mentioned earlier would come in, hit me with an acid rocket or two and run away to the defense chambers. Not much but it eventually added up on me and killed me. Soon after the hive was up again and the marines lost.
Why did i post this?
Because i want to say that after the third hive <b>the game is NOT over</b> so do NOT cower in a corner. It is difficult however it can be done. I've seen it once before and we almost got it that time with TWO people.
Then again maybe i was a bit to hard on the commander, after all what should have i expected from the guy that builds the arms and prototype lab outside the safety of the base anyway?
You see for most public servers the third hive means this:
Alien1: Now we donce! ololol
Marine1: ****! They got 3 hives!
Commander panics and throws whatever is available on the floor
Aliens gas, and bile bomb the marine base
Marines cower in every available hiding spot and begain to ask for jetpacks so they can hide in the vent and prolong the game...just 'cuz.
Alien2: w00t going Onos guys!
Marine2: OMG ONOS IN BASE!
The spores are flying, babblers munching, onos bounding away and the fades dropping their bombs. What to do?
Well last night this exact scene popped up. We had HMG's and Heavy armor, and our men were paniking and cowering and the aliens were trying to get past the Turrets and the Marines. I and my real life brother next to me get heavy armor, HMG's, and full ammo. Intent on the destruction of a hive. We decide on nameless and we're off (unfortunatly not enough time to get a welder). Along our way to nameless hive we encounter 3 skulks, that go down in seconds to our HMGs, before they can Xenocide. Fair enough. We get to the room that has the two red hallways and encounter a few offence chambers. Careful not to give away our positions we sneak past them and bolt for the protection of one of the red hallways. Much to our surprise there was almost no defenses at the hive itself. A few offense chambers here and there at the main enterance, but since we were at the other end we were safe.
So we began to shoot. 2 clips later and many comical noises from the hive it finally roars and goes under. Our only opposition was the industrious little gorge, who was quickly dispatched once as a gorge, and twice when he came back. I have about 100 bullets left and my brother about 67. So now what? I ask for ammo. 5 minutes later i have 50 extra bullets which are gone soon after i take out the offense chambers. (still no fades or onos attacking us yet) I'm screaming at the commander over the mic to drop me: A comm chair and a phase. We could still win. We had 400 resources. His responce:
"Whats a phase gate"
I slap my hand against my forehead and my brother does about the same. We try and walk him through the process and about 5 minutes later the farthest i've gotten is an additional 15 health from a medpack he dropped me. However then came a fade who finished off my already weakened brother so i had to hide in the corner and asked the commander to watch over me every now and again and give me health and ammo. Neither of this came because he was too intent on keeping the area right outside the base secure. Fair enough, but it couldn't be that hard to do both. I'm not an expert commander, but i have done it a few times and even won once. It is not difficult to be able to keep watch over two battle groups. The fade mentioned earlier would come in, hit me with an acid rocket or two and run away to the defense chambers. Not much but it eventually added up on me and killed me. Soon after the hive was up again and the marines lost.
Why did i post this?
Because i want to say that after the third hive <b>the game is NOT over</b> so do NOT cower in a corner. It is difficult however it can be done. I've seen it once before and we almost got it that time with TWO people.
Then again maybe i was a bit to hard on the commander, after all what should have i expected from the guy that builds the arms and prototype lab outside the safety of the base anyway?
Comments
Too many times I see
a) people f4ing on sight of a bile bomb or xenocide OR
b) Marine1 "Omg ONOS oh well ggs lads I;m off"
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(BTW I will kick or ban F4ers on my server. Stick it out (unless you genuinely are off for a slash or something!) or be gone.)
If one team has the 3 (or 2) hives but spend too much in the hives and not much in defense/resources AND the other team has the res... the game is all but not over.
But it 75% the team wigh most hives soon has the most resources,too.
Even in hopeless situations, as long as everyone is fighting fair, I enjoy it. I don't mind getting shredded by Fade claws or gored by Onos tusks every time I spawn in. It's actually kind of fun, putting up that impossible last stand. Sometimes it even turns around. That remote chance is enough for me to give it a try, which makes it fun, even if the chances of a turnaround are miniscule.
I'm not the "play to win" type though, I play to have fun. I think it's the "play to win" types that F4 in the hopeless situations. They're considering their chances for a win, versus a possibly much better chance in the next round. I have no problem with that, it's just not my style. I think we all need to consider other playing styles before we criticize.
Conversly this is why I always turn back from stomping the marines to save an attacked hive. There is no way I am letting some joker with a JP and welder kill my hive.
As for cowering/F4ing/extending the game, I find all equally distasteful, and cowardly. I always rush headlong into battle, because it could be no worse then what happens if I do something cowardly. Infact there is nothing I hate more then people whho F4, especially if it prematurely ends the game.
<b>REMEMBER THE WASTE HANDLING!!!</b>
have a look <a href='http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/rtwh/' target='_blank'>here.</a> It took aliens 1h and a half to kill us. hehehe Really nice game.
and yes, nothing is worse than a team that F4's at the hint they might lose (omg)
my rule:
I will fight to the very last, UNLESS
the other team is simply prolonging the inevitable
if there are 4 onos in marine base just camping the spawns, I will f4 (they are beeing **** and not ending the game)
if the marines hold 2 hives and most of the Rez and REFUSE to attack in any way the last hive, I will warn them that they are the leading cause of the F4 bug. Look, generaly Aliens are good and will rush in and end the game. However marines often will simply refuse to end the game, they won't siege your hive. They wont send their squads of death (even if they have enugh rez to equip each person with 5 hmgs and 3 HAs). This is when it is literaly booring b/c all it comes down to is spawn, run off to die on the mass of turret/mine/HAHMG farms.
However if they actualy make a move to end the game I will be on the front line ripping em to shreds (if I can). I have no problems with dieng or loosing. I do have problems with being boord, b/c you know what? I play to have fun, not be boored
my sanity
time I could be having fun
look, I have no problems dashing my head into a giant rock, so long as I am having some sort of effect
head = skulk, giant rock = marine farm of doom
however, it is literaly NOFUN to play when you are an unupgraded skulk vs an entire team with HA/HMGs and all points are just untakeable due to the marines having already won the map, and are now just sitting on their collective **** not doing anything.
Too many times I see
a) people f4ing on sight of a bile bomb or xenocide OR
b) Marine1 "Omg ONOS oh well ggs lads I;m off"
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aye, i ban F4ers aswel.
Basicaly all of you are having kneejerk reactions too F4, and I am trying to point out that there are some VERY valid reasons to F4
Iwill also F4 if a looser on my team goes into a vent and builds DCs to prolong the game. I just want the games to be FUN, I don't want to spend all my time being bored, it just aint fun
HA marines won't go ramboing into the alien base like an onos would into the marine one, and in my experience as a comm, it can be hard trying to marshall the troops into actually moving forward and attacking - they're often too busy running around chasing the skulks trying to chew the turret factories.
Hell I give them strategies that will kill us off (basic ones like tower creep to us then siege our **** off, or send in the 3 man HA/HMG/Welder death squad). But generaly they refuse to attack and it gets fn booring.
Winning against 3 hive aliens is even funner.
And the 8 to four thing makes me sick, if I was on your team I would get so ****. Freakishly lopsided battles are the only time I really shine. If teams are un even, and you are on the smalller team stay on it, or it will only get worse.
That could have killed us all laughing as I now noticed it was 8-4 in our favour. As we started to win and the enemy's incompetance frustrated them they must have started quiting leaving them in a steadily worse situation. Rather than stick out this temporary problem and try to hold what ground they had until re-inforcements arrived x number of players hit F4 and the game ended. A horrible way to cheat us o our win.
As a marine if the base is being over-run - everyone is panicing and generally things are looking pretty bad I have a plan. One of two actually, depending on the map/overall situation.
1) Grab whatever firepower I can, get out of the base in one piece (often possible if you are calm, quick and lucky) get to a quiet hive. There is almost always one hive badly defended, ask the comm to keep me in ammo and health and try to kill the hive. I can manage this solo more often than I should, with a JP/HMG odds are prety good. Even if I fail it diverts alien attention away from our base.
2) Jump in the chair, drop a new chair in a good location, drop myself a jetpac and get the the new CC, build it jump in and get a new base up.
If Captain_Carrot is around you can be sure he's in on the plan with me.
I have never found F4 to be an effective way to win or have fun. Roob knows this, I was the only member of a marine team who didn't F4 when his alien team Gorge charged us the other night <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Fortunately he didn't drag it out too long.
I really hate it when the team gives up, it like the spoilt little brat getting up and walking away with the chess board 'cos he's loosing. It's like seeing David Beckam pick up the football and walk out of the stadium at half time 'cos England is 2-0 down and one man got sent off. (soccer refence for all you yanks)