The Even More Dreaded Kkk Thread
Flayra
Game Director, Unknown Worlds EntertainmentSan Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
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I was reading the news on <a href='http://Salon.com' target='_blank'>Salon.com</a> when I saw a news story mention something about a "Green Dragon" member of the Ku Klux Klan. It sounded like an interesting title, so I decided to see how the KKK names themselves. At some point, I dared type this in.
<a href='http://www.kukluxklan.org/' target='_blank'>http://www.kukluxklan.org/</a>
It can't hurt to just read it...can it?
After reading their FAQ and other stuff, my mind is blown. There are some extremely scary people out there that I will never understand. Discuss.
<a href='http://www.kukluxklan.org/' target='_blank'>http://www.kukluxklan.org/</a>
It can't hurt to just read it...can it?
After reading their FAQ and other stuff, my mind is blown. There are some extremely scary people out there that I will never understand. Discuss.
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Obviously the only things that separate the races are skin color and stereotypes, but the latter can be broken away from.
Honestly I grew up in a purely racist area, whites didn't like blacks, blacks didn't like whites, and the hispanic and asian were somewhere in between it all; the happy medium I suppose. Just from the fact that I spent 12 years of my life in that area, from birth to adolescence, I still have a mildly racist point of view on things - I do have black, hispanic, and asian friends, and it doesn't phase me one bit interacting (for lack of a better word) with them. However, when I see someone walking around my neighborhood the first thought in my mind would be "what's that f'in <insert slur here> doing in my neighborhood?" I don't <i>want</i> to think that way, but it's almost like an instant reaction - a bad habit that it takes years to break. I'm getting better with it, but I still have work to do. At least I'm making an effort to try and be a better person.
These KKK folk are doing nothing of the sort...I think they're spineless cowards personally. It takes a lot more courage to deal with and overcome something than to get rid of it...they're not dealing with their problems, they're taking their shortcomings out on others.
It's like learning to ride a bike - if you fall off once you get your arse back on and try again! You don't hang your bike off a tree by its neck and put a pillow case on your head calling yourself a **** "Wizard".
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Think about that one.
I understand. I lived in Russia my entire life, and I have never seen a dark colored person ever until I came to America. I try not to discriminate based on color, but I'm still feel somewhat strange around people who are not my race and to some extent my nationality and religion.
Actually the KKK started after the civil war and the 15th amendment i believe and pre-gilded age (Later 19th century). They used scare tactics to scare newly enfranchised black voters into not voting, and because the overwhelming amount of the population was black the ex-slaves actually held quite a bit of power because of the way that the north allowed it to be so that they could use the blacks as puppets to help reconstruct the south as a mirror image of the north.
I believe that these people were taught to hate blacks from the day they were born, and it continues on and on from generation. The whole aryan race thing is a shame, and its pure ignorance to believe that there is a superior race. It disgusts me that these people would even call them selves Christians.
Also the stupidest things about the KKK is this..."We believe in an all white society...Promoting Jesus Christ"
HEY Kluckers ! JESUS WAS MIDDLE EASTERN !
Once again, These people who profess to be Christians are shams. Disregard them and ignore them completely, don't correlate them with Jesus they do not believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ with such bigotry.
The word "Aryan" originates from the word "Iran" - and Iran is in the middle east, right next to Iraq and the old "fertile crescent". Therefore, if there even <i>were</i> some master race they would not be blonde-haired/blue-eyed christians, they would most likely be olive/dark-skinned middle easterners of Islamic or Jewish religious background.
I have no belief that there IS a race such as this, however, and it is all cockamaymebullcrap.
Hate itself is such a strong emotion. Like love it shouldn't just be thrown around, but reserved for that special someone or something. Although it may seem otherwise sometimes, I reserve my hatred for a few SPECIFIC people who have personally wronged me in deep and lasting ways.
I also find that people such as the KKK and Neo Nazis really don't have good reasons for hating a whole general type of people. their reasons for hatred are often based off of stereotypes that could very well apply to their own people. Then again their response to that is "(pick any minority) has corrupted the master race." Douche Bags.
Anyway its a clear and pathetic case of displacement. just pay them no mind. they love attention.
(on sort of another note i would like to officially state that i beleive that diversity in race, religion, nationality, opinion is what makes this life interesting)
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yup
if everyone on these forums were the same, we wouldnt even have these passionate, wonderful discussions. Then how would we educate ourselves if we only saw one side of any arguement all the time?
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yup
if everyone on these forums were the same, we wouldnt even have these passionate, wonderful discussions. Then how would we educate ourselves if we only saw one side of any arguement all the time?
(hehehe dune, huh huh huh)
Hell I even have a distant relative who was one of the most high ranking members. :(
I think the whole thing is just terrible, completely terrible. But people like that, you just can't change. :/
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The only way to change people like that...well hell I really don't know how you'd go about it. Sure a bullet in the head would make them stop being racist supremacists - but then again it really wouldn't accomplish anything, now would it?
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When I first saw this KKK thread I though wait a sec who's talking about this. Then I saw it was Flayra ordering us to discuss it. Since I can't diobey....
Being an Australian right now has been rather tough of late due to racism and xenophobia. Any members of our neighbouring Asian nations might recall the dreaded Pauline Hanson and her One Nation party. For non-South-East Asian people, she was basically a far right wing politician who advocated the ending of immigration and harsh new laws on Asian and aboriginal members of the country. I'm sure you've seen local versions on a similar theme.
What scared me was the support she gained. Her party won quite a few seats and gained considerable power. Her party eventually fell apart, but right after this the government, which was in a pretty bad position, had a windfall of sorts. A boat filled with refugees started sinking just above our country and a Norwegian vessal, the Tampa, went in and saved these people. The govn't then sent the SAS, our elite soldiers onto the vessal and took all the refugees to detention centres. Since then they've been waiting around 2 years to be "processed" and most have had their requests for refugee status denied, despite coming from nations such as Afghanistan and Iraq.
What's even worse is that the government gained massive public support from this action and won the next election mainly on this. I was bloody ashamed to be an Australian, and this is still going on. With this and Sept 11 a massive backlash against Muslims and immigrants has occured, the most recent case being a suberb in Sydney (our largest city) where a small number of muslims requested that they build a mosque in the suberb and recieved 4000+ complaints from their neighbours. All from asking to build a harmless place of worship. I couldn't understand this kind of fear and hatred of the very people who we live and work beside every day.
I believe that there are some unltra-right fringe groups in Australia similar to the KKK but they don't have much support. What scares me is the level of public support that was gained by locking up immigrants desperatly trying to escape their war-torn countries.
As the world becomes more frightened of "terrorist threats" to the level now that governments don't even need to tell us the specific threat "Oh, we've picked up some chatter, heres some more of your civil liberties gone" fear of foreigners and especially Muslims grows. Living next to 3 muslim families I cannot understand this; these people are calm, kind and respectful. They also work damn hard, trying to improve their lives and by doing so, the country benefits. It is from xenophobia and fear that radical groups like the KKK spring, and although most Americans would be appalled at the ideas of the KKK, a lot of Americans fear muslims. There is a differance, but not much. It's but a short step from being worried about Muslims to hating muslims.
I know it's a bit off some of the KKK anti-black sentiments, but the principle is the same: Fear of blacks grows to hatred of blacks. America and Australia have a lot of racial issues to sort out. I only hope they can be sorted out before this recent wave of xenophobia overwhelmes the liberals trying to calm the masses.
I try not to think in terms of race. I don't think there is such a thing as a race. Historically, the first human beings originated from Africa, then spread out all over Asia, Europe and Australia before crossing the Bering Strait and populating the Americas. That alone means everyone on this planet, past and present, can trace their heritage back to the first human beings.
I wouldn't even bother worrying about these guys, they'll die out eventually.
because their ideaology is entrenched in religious obscuritanism that rejects Darwin's origin of species, and the fossil record which shows the oldest homosapiens living in africa.
Someone Who Cares:
Your name is an oxymoron. I can't believe you would write off the KKK so easily. They are an organization that preaches violence and kills (yes kills) dozens of people every year. They are a major obstacle to the progress of mankind and must be smashed by people who care (obviosly not you).
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America certainly doesn't have a monopoly on racist orgainisations, although the KKK can't compare to anything we have over here. The really scary thing is that people like the KKK have open access to guns, and once orgainisations like that get weapons they can do a lot of damage. It's interesting examining the roots of the KKK back after the Civil War (which is my main area of historical study). Some historians claim that the Civil War solved the question of race in America, but it seems that was not and is not so. Truth be told I'm more scared of white guys over here than I am of asians. Most of the asian people I've met are very kind and helpful, whilst I've run into a fair share of white guys I wouldn't want to meet in a dark ally.
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200 posts! Yay!
As for the KKK they aren't nearly as bad as people who pass themselves off as a proper political party:
<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2689811.stm' target='_blank'>British National Party Win's Fifth Council Seat</a>
I looked at their "Youth" website, they had taken the film "It's a Wonderful Life" and made a story "It's a Wonderful Race" and then proceeded to show that without the "European race" the entire world would be living in mud huts.
people like the KKK and the ones that Ryo-Ohki was talking about are the kind of people who make me wanna be the C-in-C just so I can say *C-In-C to Alpha group, how's that carpet bombing going?* (C-In-C = President)
I was listening to National Public Radio (NPR herein) and on The Connection, I think it was about september or october 2001, they had an interview with a KKK member. He said he taught his kids to hate jews, blacks, yellow's and ragheads. Ever get that feeling when you personally wanna spray someone's brains against a wall?
Luckily I live in the (some would say) "homosexual" state...aka Vermont. I go to a high-school that's like 85% American white, 7% European white (good thing too, our valedictorian is Croatian), 4% asian (our top ten students is made up of a Croatian for Valedict, and two other top 10's are non-american). So i've grown up with a pretty open view of race.
btw, my best friends are a homosexual Australian, a Canadian, a Chinese guy, a Vietnamese guy, a Mexican and a couple idiot americans. Oy.
Diversity is the <i><b>SPICE</b></i> of life....
and the <i><b>SPICE MUST FLOW</b></i>
Well that means you've managed to make freinds with about 70% of the minority population of New England.
But seriously, people from that area of the country (ex: me) talking about race issues sometimes strikes me as bit weird, considering as there is very little racial variety up here, and, accordingly, very little racial strife.
And I don't know about you AllUrHive, but I spent about a month in NYC this year and i'm goin (I hope to high heaven) Hunter College, 68th and Madison Ave in NYC.
Although I live in Hamburg, a rather big city, although a good friend of mine is black and although my parents were often in Ghana (Africa) and have many good friends there, I still feel a strange feeling when I meet black people unkown to me.
But there is nothing more. No insecurity, no fear, no dislike and certainly no <i>hate</i>. It's just unfamiliarity(?).
To be exact, I couldn't name a single person that I really <i>hate</i>. Sure, persons like Hitler or Stalin should be hated, but I wouldn't call that feeling hate.
What really angers me about organisations like KKK is the fact that they've no excuse. If they were uneducated, poor farmers who have never seen a non-white person their whole live nor heard of people like Martin Luther King Jr. I could perhaps understand them.
But in a world as globalized as ours, and in a society, as mixed as the US, I just can't understand how they can hate or even fear/dislike/judge people for the color of someones skin.
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Well, some of <i>my</i> ancestors wanted a white, aryan nation also, but <i>I</i> know that they were a bunch of megalomanic, ignorant, stupid, crazy and evil persons.
I don't want to say that the american founders can be compared to Nazi-Germany, but not everything your ancestors did is therefore "right" or "good".
What seems to me the greatest problem is the fact that the KKK seems to be absolutely legal in the USA. We have organisations similiar to the KKK in Germany also, but they're mostly forbidden by law.
Has the KKK many members in the USA? Have they much influence?
I don't know much about this topic but once again I see that racism isn't a german-only problem...
Racism exists everywhere bro. these guys actually have infiltrated our government. i would have to say that at least 10% of the US government is blatently racist which is 10% too much. i do not know this for a fact.... just call it an educated guess (Trent Lott is a prime jackass, i mean example)
Your name is an oxymoron. I can't believe you would write off the KKK so easily. They are an organization that preaches violence and kills (yes kills) dozens of people every year. They are a major obstacle to the progress of mankind and must be smashed by people who care (obviosly not you). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've lived not far from one of their headquarters my whole life, so they're constantly on the news. They're going broke and I don't think they'll be around much longer, well at least not noticably.
So what are your plans to get rid of them? We'd best ignore them because we can't really do anything about them.
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Hmmm... so that's who's probably the reason for my existence.
Before I was born, my dad was attending a universiry in Australia, (forgot the name, but I heard there was a shooting there recently). He wanted to live there, but the government policies didn't allow it since he was Chinese. This would of probably been around the 60's. So... he came to Canada instead. And thus, I would come to this world as a Kanasian...
Out of curiosity, just why is it legal for the KKK to even exist? Doesn't it make sense for it to be outlawed? I asked a teacher about this and she thinks that a possible reason for not making it illegal is to know where they are. The governement knows their plans, and would know what they're doing, whereas if it was outlawed, the KKK would still exist, but it would be in secret, and the government would have less idea on what they did. Any other theories?
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HEY Kluckers ! JESUS WAS MIDDLE EASTERN !"""
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And although I am very sure now this site is a total hoax, I think how they respond to their e-mail is similar to how a KKK would respond.
<a href='http://free.freespeech.org/shockingtruth/' target='_blank'>from The Shocking Truth</a>
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Doesn't look like they update their site anymore, damn... I wanted to tell them how much they sucked at trying to be like somethingawful.com