Question For Seasoned Players.
Naughty_Brembo
Join Date: 2002-05-30 Member: 701Members
Join Date: 2002-05-30 Member: 701Members
<div class="IPBDescription">your take on this</div> *putting on me flame-ratardant undies for this one*
IS THERE or IS THERE NOT some kind of rapid-fire cheat out there?
Last night I played with a fellow who constantly and repeatedly killed me with only ONE skulk bite. (No, I didn´t lag every time he attacked me, I´m on a spanking fibre-optic hookup...) He had god-like melee skills as well, never losing track of his targets...I saw him wacking two marines in a split second - one standing in front of him, the other behind him.
Next round, he goes marine and repeatedly LMG´s my poor skulk butt in what seems like 0.1 seconds. Again, I´m not lagging here, people. When I asked how the hell he could kill me so darn fast he replied:
"You have no armor"
...I had lvl3 carapace at the time...he had to pour 19 rounds on a moving target in a split second.
btw I´m no n00b...I usually have no trouble eating marines or popping skulks.
Just want to hear if anyone knows what cheats are out there. Informed posts only, please.
IS THERE or IS THERE NOT some kind of rapid-fire cheat out there?
Last night I played with a fellow who constantly and repeatedly killed me with only ONE skulk bite. (No, I didn´t lag every time he attacked me, I´m on a spanking fibre-optic hookup...) He had god-like melee skills as well, never losing track of his targets...I saw him wacking two marines in a split second - one standing in front of him, the other behind him.
Next round, he goes marine and repeatedly LMG´s my poor skulk butt in what seems like 0.1 seconds. Again, I´m not lagging here, people. When I asked how the hell he could kill me so darn fast he replied:
"You have no armor"
...I had lvl3 carapace at the time...he had to pour 19 rounds on a moving target in a split second.
btw I´m no n00b...I usually have no trouble eating marines or popping skulks.
Just want to hear if anyone knows what cheats are out there. Informed posts only, please.
Comments
Sometimes you can get a one-bite-kill against Marines for some reason, vanilla... no idea why. If it keeps up with the same guy over and over, record a demo, or spec someone else who's attacking him while you're dead. The easiest giveaway that someone's using the speed cheat is that the attack/gunfire WAV files don't get a chance to play through properly.. they're 'layered' over one another, or stutter like mad.
(Last thread on this was locked the other day... look and read a bit for further edification)
Anyway, thx Talesin...I thought all talks of cheats so far had been pure conjecture.
*edit Oh, of course I knew about the PISTOL speed-firing hack. But since the LMG does NOT fire at click-speed I thought this must be a new thing. *edit
cheers,
Wow.
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I blinked up an elevator shaft, and boom, right infront of me, 20 feet away, was some marine with his pistol out. I figured, "I'm as fast as a regular skulk, so why not just chase him down and slash him. Split second later, I died from a pistol, and he taunted with "Haha, noob fade, died from my pistol, bizatcho". I asked afterward, and they had level 3 weapon upgrades, which would explain how it had easten through me quickly, along with the pistols damage itself, but still, it was just that crazy.
It jsut goes to show that some people can't win the normal way, so they look for "outside assistance". Course it is pretty fun to actually kill cheaters, since once you do it multiple times in a row, they start asking you what your cheats are <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
You can't make the LMG fire faster manually...
Oh, and you're friend is slow, I can fire all of them in 1 second. I've been working out my index finger.
it's rediculous how fast he can do it.
By the way, HLguard is a joke.
Yes i have heard of punkbuster, having played RTCW. Punk buster DOES cause lag i know this. But CD does not. It takes up about 3k kb of memory, if that lags anyone trying to play NS, then they are probably having problems to begin with.
1) The pistol can be scripted to fire all 10 bullets extremely rapidly. It is supposed to be capped at 6 rounds/second (a full clip in 1.67 seconds), but I'm not sure if this cap is in place correctly. I don't know how to script the pistol personally; if anyone can PM me the appropriate script so I can verify, I'd appreciate it.
2) There does exist a speed hack. Hallmarks of this hack include (1) faster movement, (2) faster attack speed (bite or LMG bullets), and (3) a tell-tale "overlapping" of attack sound effects since the attack is happening faster than the wav file associated with it.
3) I'm fairly certain that there are measures to stop (2) and possibly (1). (1), if it indeed exists, will be addressed with 1.1.
1) The pistol can be scripted to fire all 10 bullets extremely rapidly. It is supposed to be capped at 6 rounds/second (a full clip in 1.67 seconds), but I'm not sure if this cap is in place correctly. I don't know how to script the pistol personally; if anyone can PM me the appropriate script so I can verify, I'd appreciate it.
2) There does exist a speed hack. Hallmarks of this hack include (1) faster movement, (2) faster attack speed (bite or LMG bullets), and (3) a tell-tale "overlapping" of attack sound effects since the attack is happening faster than the wav file associated with it.
3) I'm fairly certain that there are measures to stop (2) and possibly (1). (1), if it indeed exists, will be addressed with 1.1. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thank god.
I didn't know about these cheats. I try not to think about cheats much, I think it's <i>less</i> frustrating to be killed because you think the opponent is more skilled then if you knew the opponent was cheating.. figure that out. Maybe because I don't want to get all worked up about something that I know the developers will address in future versions. Guess my attitude is getting mad at cheaters won't stop them so why waste my time and mental attitude on anger.
;-P
Besides, the ultimate payback is when they discover all their cheating has left them behind on real skills and when the next version is released with a counter to their precious ego-boasting cheats they will get owned again and again and again...
As for making it inconvenient for NS players--well, CD servers can be set to a 'mediated' mode in which only people with good scores must run CD...
And also, I think it would be trivial to install CD along with the mod, and to modify the startup shortcuts to run CD before starting up Half Life in NS mode.
Attached is a poor example of what a 'speedhack' LMG sounds like, by the way.
This is NOT a capture from a game, but if you hear something like this and suddenly die... it was from a speedhacker firing at 'only' 100 rounds a second, which is quite possible.
Note the 'buzzing' overlay to the normal gunshot it adds? That's the telltale mark of a speedhack, is that buzzing error in the sound being played. Unfortunately, a software glitch can cause this error as well in HL, so <b><span style='color:white'>IT'S NOT A GUARANTEED DETECTION METHOD</span></b> but it's a very good first indicator.
pistol script lets u dump all the pistol ammo but doesn't speed up anything else
obviously the aboe mentioned cheater is using the speedhack, which speeds up eveyrthing, any weapons, runnign speed etc. but u can only use it in short bursts now that the half-life dev team "fixed" it
haha REALLY? WRONG
cs isnt rid of cheaters yet.. lol ... i saw a 55-2 guy.. who HSed me and a teamate right when i went around a corner in a split second.. i really dun think hacks or gone from CS yet <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I hate people who say that, like the pistol is some kind of useless weapon. I've found it to be one of the best anti-fade weapons out there. 200-odd damage in your face in 1.5 seconds is pretty nasty, especially from a dead acurate weapon. HMGs are better against fades obviously but if you don't have one the pistol works just fine.
Oh yeah, and with regards to the topic thread, today I was a fade with lvl3 carapace, I went up a ladder and bang, a marine killed me instantly. No drop in health or nothing, just instant kill with lmg. It was just one of them as well, he didn't have an ally with a shotgun. It never happened the rest of the game to any of us (the guy who killed me was just as suprised, his first comment was "WTF?"). I have seen on 2 occassions (and I've been playing since day 1) a skulk kill a marine that was on full health with 1 bite. It doesn't happen in repeat occurances or anything. just occasional flukes.
When cheats start occuring in NS like they do in CS: Sad days for all <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
First of I had 4 options X1.2 X2 X3 X4
Now when I fired my lmg as a marine it was really really quick to empty the clip, so I thought cool.
But it's not really that good of a speed hack
Here's what happens....
1) You lose about 15 FPS
2) If you move and fire, you will not be able to move for like 5 sec, you keep jumping back to the same point, lag like, but I think that's how this speed hack works.
3) You lag like hell from 200 to 500
4) It's just lame
5) It's sound is really **** up
Oh I tested this on a lan, and then I joined a net game turned it on, and ran the same test, but I didn't killl anybody.
More or less it's not that "great" as some of you might say.
I would guess not, it seems as if I've been able to empty that clip in closer to .7sec just by pushing the fire button really fast... mb i should record a demo of it.
-EDIT Ok, I recorded a demo and timed it to just about 1.5sec