CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
Wow look what I started. Anyhoo. There is a world record for a man setting a worl record for firing out 7 shouts in a second from a 7 round revolver. Unless all the gun nuts and cops i work with are liars lol. Yes I know the G11 Project was canned but I posted this to show what kinds of technology we are making. Lots in informative posts here though nice.
Thansal, your right in most part... I also did some research into the Metal Storm project a while back
It's an australian company and yes, can fire at a rate of over 1,000,000 rounds per minute.
Physics of it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
See as the first bullet is fired from one of the chambers, it starts slowing down, but the one behind it starts pushing it forward, and they effectively increase speed.
The video i have of it, the gun had 24 chambers, in a 4x6 arrangement, with about 12 bullets in each i think. Then they fired them all at once, against 12 standard wooden doors.
The 12th door had a hole the size of a man in it, most of the other's simply didn't exist.
Drawbacks - pretty bad falloff and effective range, and accuracy.
Uses were meant to be as a "mine" in the feild, soldier opens a door and gets a few hundred rounds in his chest...
Or 24, and the next one gets 24 as well, and so on....
Or in the jet's Thansal mentioned, or on the backs of jeeps, blowing a few hundred rounds out at a target. They tried this, blew the jeep over sideways from the force of it. So not reaaaaally practical.
Yeah, at that point; armor becomes entirely useless.
Just like when the firearms overtook the swords & spears in battle, the gauss/rail/coil weaponry will overtake chemically propelled ballistics.
Dunno where I heard this, but it fits.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"How can you say civilization is not advancing? With each war humans find new ways to kill each other."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've been up for a while, I know that's not <i>exactly</i> it, but it's the same general idea.
The most interesting and intrinsically useful thing about Metal Storm isn't what they parade around on their website loudest, actually.
1,000,000 rounds ROF is impressive, but as they showed, aside from mounting it perhaps on a mobile robot for blasting of bank doors... it's more a 'wow, we actually CAN get those numbers' thing than anything else.
What is the most curious, is what it's a jam-proof technology. They've tested this by placing dud propellant in every slot except the final one, and fired the magazine out.
Yes, range blew chunks on that one, single shot. But it <b>still cleared the barrel and clip entirely</b> with that last shot. That, by itself, is the most impressive thing to me.
Of course, the fact that if the other guy takes your gun from you, it just plain Doesn't Fire At All is a good thing too, but if someone else on your squad grabs it, the gun still works for them. :-) True electronic trigger-control and firing is the centerpiece of the Metal Storm stuff, not insane ROF's.
It's a true gun that has no moving parts, is essentially hermetically sealed against the elements by it's very design, and can hold upwards of 30 to 50 9mm rounds in something around the size of a Desert Eagle in the multi-clip variants, something that only the helix-fed ammo-sucking 'pistol' made by Calico can compare too. <a href='http://mem.tcon.net/users/5010/5491/LibertyIIIwithmags.jpg' target='_blank'>A Calico M950 9mm w/ both 50-round, 100-round magazines, and ammo loader.</a> The 50-round is about the size of a can of Red Bull.
People are going on about railguns, and yes, if you got them working they would rule. but theres one slight problem. To get the speeds where it will pentrate anything, the resulting kickback would squash a tank or at least flip it over, making it not very practical. plus the length of the barrel would be too long. lets not get started of what would be left of you if you fired a rifle version... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->. this is all half-remembered so don't hold me to this
<!--QuoteBegin--Wolf+Mar 7 2003, 10:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wolf @ Mar 7 2003, 10:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Onuma+Mar 7 2003, 12:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Onuma @ Mar 7 2003, 12:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> for instance the .50 cal rigged on the nose of an A-10 Warthog (Anti-Armor [tank/APC/MA/etc] aircraft is designed to fire the amount of rounds it has in its storage and NO MORE consecutively. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Just a little FYI - The A10 Warthog's nose gun generates as much thrust (when firing at full speed) as the actual engines that fly the thing. Yep, that means that when you fire enough rounds the aircraft will come to a complete stop. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You sure? I've read an account from an A-10 pilot which said that it slows you down, but... actually stopping it?
Although... come to think of it, if the gun can slow down the 'plane it means that the force pushing the plane back is exceeding the force pushing it forwards, or it wouldn't deaccelerate. So yeah, you're right. I'd think you'd have to fire a hell of a lot of ammo to stop the plane, though <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Aldaris+Mar 7 2003, 05:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Mar 7 2003, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> People are going on about railguns, and yes, if you got them working they would rule. but theres one slight problem. To get the speeds where it will pentrate anything, the resulting kickback would squash a tank or at least flip it over, making it not very practical. plus the length of the barrel would be too long. lets not get started of what would be left of you if you fired a rifle version... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->. this is all half-remembered so don't hold me to this <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's why railguns (and similar) are more viable for launching stuff into space than as weapons. Maybe extreme range mortars?
This guy has made his own rail gun. Doesn't say anything about any kickback though <a href='http://www.powerlabs.org/emguns.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.powerlabs.org/emguns.htm</a>
Why would a railgun have a kickback effect? Isn't it basically just a hideously long barrel lined with magnetic strips that accelerates whatever mass is inside the barrel until, thus propelling it towards the target? Since there is no explosion like in normal firearms, where would the kickback come from?
If I remember correctly, the basic problem with a railgun is that it requires rediculous amounts of energy to fire, so it isn't impossible to use one, it's just impractical. However, attaching a big one to a satellite and sending it to orbit would probably be the nastiest invention ever. Since basically whatever can be used as ammunition, a sufficiently big rock or a block of ice could easily level a few city blocks from orbit. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, there's still a block of beton embedded to the concrete wall of one physics lab, as a reminder to not perform railgun tests indoors.
didnt the lmg model designer say in a rr.org interview say he tried to mimic modern weaponry by taking the bits he liked from various weapons to create the gun of the not-too-distant future? The g11 may very well be the front of the lmg, youd have to ask him (or someone who knows cause im thick) to find out.
The A10 gun is 30mm, not .50. Generally fired in short bursts, as more would slow down the aircraft too much. Before modifications were made, the huge amount of propellant being burned could also cause problems for the engines if smoke got into them. Although both engines at full power do give more thrust than the recoil of the gun, this problem required throttling back while firing. <a href='http://members.aol.com/Stravonski/private/gun.html#Gun%20Design' target='_blank'>http://members.aol.com/Stravonski/private/...ml#Gun%20Design</a> <a href='http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/weapons/cannons/gau8/gau8_en.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/...au8/gau8_en.htm</a>
Railguns can be made in small sizes, then they just won't be very powerful. The really strong railguns are big, as they need lots of energy storage and long rails. And yes, there is recoil. The same magnetic force that propels the projectile also pushes the gun in the opposite direction. Additionally, there are rail warping problems and erosion. If the rails are too weak, the magnetic forces will bend them, and the high current arc between the rails and projectile can damage the surface of the rails (and the projectile, but that generally isn't a problem).
Aaronvroom vroom der party startahJoin Date: 2002-11-05Member: 7020Members
Guys, if you want to learn way more about modern firearms then you ever need to, wander over to the Firearms Mod weapon forum, and they'll set you straight.
My 2 cents: Hi-tech guns like the OICW and G11 are not going to be adopted any time soon...they still need to be proven in combat and gain the trust of real soldiers. As far as the proven M16 design, Canada has taken this design, fixed any flaws, and generally improved it alot, and use it as their standard rifle (I forget the name now) today, that they tailor to different purposes.
can someone explain wuts the diffy between caseless and cased ammo? i really dunno... wut are the advantages of caseless ammo? thx <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Cased ammo has a bullet residing inside a case, or shell. Also inside the case is the propellant, which is ignited to drive the bullet forward. The spent case is then ejected from the weapon. The actual bullet only makes up a small portion of the shell/case in which it resides.
Shotgun shells are similar yet different, in that they do not contain one bullet, but instead contain a LOT of small pellets that are shot out of the gun as the propellent in the shell is ignited.
Caseless ammunition has no shell, but instead has the propellant attached to the bullet itself. This arrangement generally takes up less space inside a magazine/clip, and removes the need for ejected shells.
If I'm wrong, someone correct me. I know a little about guns, but not much to speak of <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Cpl.Davis+Mar 6 2003, 10:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cpl.Davis @ Mar 6 2003, 10:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If any of you knows anything more about guns then what you learned (often incorrectly) from Counter-Strike. You would know that a revolver is able to fire faster then an automatic
If u want to see a bit of real TSA weaponry that is in use today scroll to the link below.
If u want to learn how revover is faster then an automatic read here. WHAT??!! You might say? Let me explain kids. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> In fact a man has the world record for firing 7 shots (out of a 7 round revover) in 1 second. When you pull the trigger (or hammer on a double action revolver) back on a revolver the entire chamber rotates the next round into position. You then fire the round. And the process is repeated. This allows for a continus reload if you will. A round is chambered and set to fire the instant the trigger is squeezed. This is the same concept that allows a mini gun or other multi barreled gun to have such a high rate of fire.
Now when you fire an automatic hand gun such as a Desert Eagle, Berreta, GLOCK, whatever, the next round is not automaticaly chambered. When the trigger is depressed, the round is fired and the gas blowback from the discharged round moves the slide back and thus ejecting the spent case and allowing room for the next spring loaded bullet to move upward. This takes longer then the revolver. If you were to try to fire off an entire magazine as fast as you possible can, you will lock the slide and the gun will not fire.
So this makes me wonder how the standard TSA sidearm fails to work so well? Maybe its jsut the future of our technology. If I had to explain its accuracy I would refer you NS players to the new NATO 5.7 round. unlike its unaccurate and and low powered representation in Counter-Strike, the 5.7 was designed to defeat personal body armour on the battlefield. It is capable of penetrating 48 layers of Kevlar. FORTY EIGHT! It has minimal recoil and is highly accurate. The FN P90 SMG is capable of firing an entire 50 round magazine at 900 Rounds per Min. From 50 meters you can fire all 50 rounds into a whole 9 1/2 inches in diameter. Also remember that they are now making 7-10 round revolvers. Plus revolvers never jam lol.
THE REAL PRESENT DAY LMG MADE BY HECKLR AND KOCH
Of other note is the invention and use of caseless ammuniton. Its a bullet that has no casing but rather its surrounded with a solid chemicle booster. This allows for a larger amount of ammunition to be carried. If you guys want to see real TSA weapons of the current day i recommend you look at what the Germans are working on. Take a look at the new H&K G11 ACR (Advanced Combat Rifle) it holds 50 rounds. The reload ammunition clips are carried on the rifle.
<a href='http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/g11/g11.htm' target='_blank'>http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/g11/g11.htm</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I assumed from day one that all of the bullet weapons in NS used caseless ammunition. If you look at the HMG mag, it looks a LOT like caseless rounds.
Also, the G11 project was scrapped back in 1989 because of the reunification of Germany.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
more fun things on metal storm: The way they have a 'mine field' set up is like this:
You have a few of these boxes loaded up with random diff ammo (bullets, nades, mortars, cameras, flares etc)
each box has sensors and there are a few sensors in the field also.
One man can then controll them all via a laptop. He gets warnings whenever something enters the field of fire. If he is unsure of friend or fowe he can launch of a camera to see.
If it is Foe he then can disginate how each one will be hit and with what (reg ammo for troops, nades for APCstyle stuff and morta rounds for larger threats)
I still find the civilian uses the most interesting (being able to laucnh fireretardent powder up into a 9 story window in just a few shots aint 1/2 bad)
<!--QuoteBegin--Duck_King+Mar 6 2003, 08:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Duck_King @ Mar 6 2003, 08:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I always thought that the TSA LMG looked ALOT like the Stormtrooper's blaster from Star Wars. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> so did I. the original gun would then be the Sterling L2A1 respectively A2 and A3 submachine gun.
Yes, the lmg was based off of the sterling (and, to a lesser degree, the sten)-- which was also the basis for the stormtrooper blaster from Star Wars (which was actually a <i>precise</i> copy of the police sterling submachine gun with some resin around the barrel, a shorter magazine, and a scope tacked on).
I had a whole thread about how sci-fi weapons were often augmented real-life weapons, way back about the 100th time there was a 'rip' post . . .
(looking at the sterling again, the magazine-in-the-side thing is something you either love or hate, and I just think that gun looks so cool and business-like . . . I've always like it, ever since the little kid used it to obliterate the demonic drive-thru in 'Maximum Overdrive')
The kickback from a rail gun is that while the magnets are accelerating the metal slug, the slug is accelerating the magnets by an equal force, (newton's third law of motion) as the times of the forces acting is the same, the impulse and hence the change of momentum is the same. This means that you get a kickback of Ft=mv (force*time being accelerated=mass of bullet*velocity.) Momentum is always conserved, so any projectile weapon will ALWAYS have a kickback. The only way to avoid one is the have a self-propelled missile, which kick backs the propelant to conserve its momentum.
<!--QuoteBegin---=_Fennec Fox_=-+Mar 6 2003, 07:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-=_Fennec Fox_=- @ Mar 6 2003, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You don't want to get me started on experimentals. For anyone who knows what I'm talking about, it can be summed up in two words. Metal, Storm. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thank you.
Now we all know from the first post that revolvers (which is a type of repeating action) are faster (or at least can be) then automatics, but electronically fired bullets are as fast as the fire control chip firing them. This equals ROF in millions of rounds a minute.
Plus the biggest advantage of Caseless ammunition is the solution to the biggest draw back of modern weapons, weight. The heaviest thing the modern US solider carries is ammunition. Any one who has used a firearm with Duck tapped magazines knows that more then 20 rifle cartriged attacked to your rifle makes it substantially harder to weild. The G11 loaded with 100 rounds would have the same operating weight as an M16 with a 30 round magazine.
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It's an australian company and yes, can fire at a rate of over 1,000,000 rounds per minute.
Physics of it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
See as the first bullet is fired from one of the chambers, it starts slowing down, but the one behind it starts pushing it forward, and they effectively increase speed.
The video i have of it, the gun had 24 chambers, in a 4x6 arrangement, with about 12 bullets in each i think. Then they fired them all at once, against 12 standard wooden doors.
The 12th door had a hole the size of a man in it, most of the other's simply didn't exist.
Drawbacks - pretty bad falloff and effective range, and accuracy.
Uses were meant to be as a "mine" in the feild, soldier opens a door and gets a few hundred rounds in his chest...
Or 24, and the next one gets 24 as well, and so on....
Or in the jet's Thansal mentioned, or on the backs of jeeps, blowing a few hundred rounds out at a target. They tried this, blew the jeep over sideways from the force of it. So not reaaaaally practical.
My $.02
Just like when the firearms overtook the swords & spears in battle, the gauss/rail/coil weaponry will overtake chemically propelled ballistics.
Dunno where I heard this, but it fits.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"How can you say civilization is not advancing? With each war humans find new ways to kill each other."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've been up for a while, I know that's not <i>exactly</i> it, but it's the same general idea.
Armor would be bloody useless when the world developers railgun rifles of some sort.
1,000,000 rounds ROF is impressive, but as they showed, aside from mounting it perhaps on a mobile robot for blasting of bank doors... it's more a 'wow, we actually CAN get those numbers' thing than anything else.
What is the most curious, is what it's a jam-proof technology. They've tested this by placing dud propellant in every slot except the final one, and fired the magazine out.
Yes, range blew chunks on that one, single shot. But it <b>still cleared the barrel and clip entirely</b> with that last shot. That, by itself, is the most impressive thing to me.
Of course, the fact that if the other guy takes your gun from you, it just plain Doesn't Fire At All is a good thing too, but if someone else on your squad grabs it, the gun still works for them. :-) True electronic trigger-control and firing is the centerpiece of the Metal Storm stuff, not insane ROF's.
It's a true gun that has no moving parts, is essentially hermetically sealed against the elements by it's very design, and can hold upwards of 30 to 50 9mm rounds in something around the size of a Desert Eagle in the multi-clip variants, something that only the helix-fed ammo-sucking 'pistol' made by Calico can compare too. <a href='http://mem.tcon.net/users/5010/5491/LibertyIIIwithmags.jpg' target='_blank'>A Calico M950 9mm w/ both 50-round, 100-round magazines, and ammo loader.</a> The 50-round is about the size of a can of Red Bull.
Just a little FYI - The A10 Warthog's nose gun generates as much thrust (when firing at full speed) as the actual engines that fly the thing. Yep, that means that when you fire enough rounds the aircraft will come to a complete stop. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You sure? I've read an account from an A-10 pilot which said that it slows you down, but... actually stopping it?
Although... come to think of it, if the gun can slow down the 'plane it means that the force pushing the plane back is exceeding the force pushing it forwards, or it wouldn't deaccelerate. So yeah, you're right. I'd think you'd have to fire a hell of a lot of ammo to stop the plane, though <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
That's why railguns (and similar) are more viable for launching stuff into space than as weapons. Maybe extreme range mortars?
<a href='http://www.powerlabs.org/emguns.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.powerlabs.org/emguns.htm</a>
If I remember correctly, the basic problem with a railgun is that it requires rediculous amounts of energy to fire, so it isn't impossible to use one, it's just impractical. However, attaching a big one to a satellite and sending it to orbit would probably be the nastiest invention ever. Since basically whatever can be used as ammunition, a sufficiently big rock or a block of ice could easily level a few city blocks from orbit. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, there's still a block of beton embedded to the concrete wall of one physics lab, as a reminder to not perform railgun tests indoors.
<a href='http://members.aol.com/Stravonski/private/gun.html#Gun%20Design' target='_blank'>http://members.aol.com/Stravonski/private/...ml#Gun%20Design</a>
<a href='http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/weapons/cannons/gau8/gau8_en.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/...au8/gau8_en.htm</a>
Railguns can be made in small sizes, then they just won't be very powerful. The really strong railguns are big, as they need lots of energy storage and long rails. And yes, there is recoil. The same magnetic force that propels the projectile also pushes the gun in the opposite direction. Additionally, there are rail warping problems and erosion. If the rails are too weak, the magnetic forces will bend them, and the high current arc between the rails and projectile can damage the surface of the rails (and the projectile, but that generally isn't a problem).
My 2 cents: Hi-tech guns like the OICW and G11 are not going to be adopted any time soon...they still need to be proven in combat and gain the trust of real soldiers. As far as the proven M16 design, Canada has taken this design, fixed any flaws, and generally improved it alot, and use it as their standard rifle (I forget the name now) today, that they tailor to different purposes.
Shotgun shells are similar yet different, in that they do not contain one bullet, but instead contain a LOT of small pellets that are shot out of the gun as the propellent in the shell is ignited.
Caseless ammunition has no shell, but instead has the propellant attached to the bullet itself. This arrangement generally takes up less space inside a magazine/clip, and removes the need for ejected shells.
If I'm wrong, someone correct me. I know a little about guns, but not much to speak of <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
You would know that a revolver is able to fire faster then an automatic
If u want to see a bit of real TSA weaponry that is in use today scroll to the link below.
If u want to learn how revover is faster then an automatic read here.
WHAT??!! You might say? Let me explain kids. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> In fact a man has the world record for firing 7 shots (out of a 7 round revover) in 1 second.
When you pull the trigger (or hammer on a double action revolver) back on a revolver the entire chamber rotates the next round into position. You then fire the round. And the process is repeated. This allows for a continus reload if you will. A round is chambered and set to fire the instant the trigger is squeezed. This is the same concept that allows a mini gun or other multi barreled gun to have such a high rate of fire.
Now when you fire an automatic hand gun such as a Desert Eagle, Berreta, GLOCK, whatever, the next round is not automaticaly chambered. When the trigger is depressed, the round is fired and the gas blowback from the discharged round moves the slide back and thus ejecting the spent case and allowing room for the next spring loaded bullet to move upward. This takes longer then the revolver. If you were to try to fire off an entire magazine as fast as you possible can, you will lock the slide and the gun will not fire.
So this makes me wonder how the standard TSA sidearm fails to work so well? Maybe its jsut the future of our technology. If I had to explain its accuracy I would refer you NS players to the new NATO 5.7 round.
unlike its unaccurate and and low powered representation in Counter-Strike, the 5.7 was designed to defeat personal body armour on the battlefield. It is capable of penetrating 48 layers of Kevlar. FORTY EIGHT! It has minimal recoil and is highly accurate. The FN P90 SMG is capable of firing an entire 50 round magazine at 900 Rounds per Min. From 50 meters you can fire all 50 rounds into a whole 9 1/2 inches in diameter. Also remember that they are now making 7-10 round revolvers. Plus revolvers never jam lol.
THE REAL PRESENT DAY LMG MADE BY HECKLR AND KOCH
Of other note is the invention and use of caseless ammuniton. Its a bullet that has no casing but rather its surrounded with a solid chemicle booster. This allows for a larger amount of ammunition to be carried.
If you guys want to see real TSA weapons of the current day i recommend you look at what the Germans are working on. Take a look at the new H&K G11 ACR (Advanced Combat Rifle) it holds 50 rounds. The reload ammunition clips are carried on the rifle.
<a href='http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/g11/g11.htm' target='_blank'>http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/g11/g11.htm</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I assumed from day one that all of the bullet weapons in NS used caseless ammunition. If you look at the HMG mag, it looks a LOT like caseless rounds.
Also, the G11 project was scrapped back in 1989 because of the reunification of Germany.
The way they have a 'mine field' set up is like this:
You have a few of these boxes loaded up with random diff ammo (bullets, nades, mortars, cameras, flares etc)
each box has sensors and there are a few sensors in the field also.
One man can then controll them all via a laptop. He gets warnings whenever something enters the field of fire. If he is unsure of friend or fowe he can launch of a camera to see.
If it is Foe he then can disginate how each one will be hit and with what (reg ammo for troops, nades for APCstyle stuff and morta rounds for larger threats)
I still find the civilian uses the most interesting (being able to laucnh fireretardent powder up into a 9 story window in just a few shots aint 1/2 bad)
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so did I.
the original gun would then be the Sterling L2A1 respectively A2 and A3 submachine gun.
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I had a whole thread about how sci-fi weapons were often augmented real-life weapons, way back about the 100th time there was a 'rip' post . . .
(looking at the sterling again, the magazine-in-the-side thing is something you either love or hate, and I just think that gun looks so cool and business-like . . . I've always like it, ever since the little kid used it to obliterate the demonic drive-thru in 'Maximum Overdrive')
I know this pic is from DoD but I wan't having much luck finding a good picture of the FG-42.
Thank you.
Now we all know from the first post that revolvers (which is a type of repeating action) are faster (or at least can be) then automatics, but electronically fired bullets are as fast as the fire control chip firing them. This equals ROF in millions of rounds a minute.
Plus the biggest advantage of Caseless ammunition is the solution to the biggest draw back of modern weapons, weight. The heaviest thing the modern US solider carries is ammunition. Any one who has used a firearm with Duck tapped magazines knows that more then 20 rifle cartriged attacked to your rifle makes it substantially harder to weild. The G11 loaded with 100 rounds would have the same operating weight as an M16 with a 30 round magazine.