Gotta Love Those Alien Upgrades.

Bubacus · March 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">...</div> Wait a minute, i think we all forgot there is another side to this game!!

So, anyone know of any marine upgrades? Other then the electirc TF, that is. I know the testing hasn't even begun yet, but surely if they're able to think and almost implement so many alien changes, they'd be able to do a little more with marines by now...

DrSuredeath · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Commander improvements
- Hotgroups for soldiers and structures (soldiers are notified, "You are squad four"). Hotgroup icons blink when under attack.
- Warcraft III style "idle peon" messages
- Always draw player names for commander
- Much better hotkey support (fully customizable)
- Select all players button/bind

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Did you miss this?

Aphal · March 2003

Maybe he played too much CS and didn't know there was a commander.

Madjai · March 2003

good one Bitterness

so what if 2 alien structures got new abilities and ONLY 1 marine got one

some people just wont be happy with anything

echs · March 2003

Remember that 1.1 is all about game balance. Not one race will have more than the other race. From the possible changes made in 1.1, I'd say the release of 1.1 will be a joyous day for all us NS players!

The best is yet to come <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

-psygnsois-

littlewild · March 2003

Wall of eletrified TF sounds cooler than wall of unbuilt CC.

Bubacus · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dr.Suredeath @ Mar 27 2003, 03:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Commander improvements
- Hotgroups for soldiers and structures (soldiers are notified, "You are squad four"). Hotgroup icons blink when under attack.
- Warcraft III style "idle peon" messages
- Always draw player names for commander
- Much better hotkey support (fully customizable)
- Select all players button/bind

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Did you miss this?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
That's for convenience purposes, i don't see how that will 'help' on the field all that much.

And no Bitterness, i don't even play CS anymore. *sigh* Why do you have to be such a fool? I asked a simple question, I don't expect to get flamed for it. Jeez, can't you people be more like the people who actually play the game, they're actually NICE and dont's insult people for no damn reason.

SkinnY · March 2003

The turret will smoke when they are firing <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Bubacus · March 2003

If the smoke chokes the aliens to death, then that's cool <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

echs · March 2003

The fact the comm get's better support. Hotgroups, player names, the handy WC3 idle peons, better hotkey support etc will speed up the comm's reaction in the heat of battle and will alone improve the marines affectiveness against the aliens...

Cowswin · March 2003

The comm makes the team, therefore ergo and furthermore...comm upgrades = marine upgrades. If you're comm can more effectively handle tasking of soldiers, you will be a better team. If you play on servers where everyone's a rambo then no, you won't see the benefit of comm upgrades. And if you hadn't noticed, marines have the big daddy beating stick right now compared to aliens, so there probably won't be as many marine upgrades as alien.

Also, if you didn't notice, these are NOT the only updates being done to the game. There's a hoard of them and this is just a little foresight as to what MIGHT be added along with a ton of things unmentioned, even quoted by coil. So don't go getting your panties in a knot cause everything is being redone <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Immacolata · March 2003

Yes. Please let the dystopian vision of a doomed NS rest untill 1.1 is released. Up to then, let's just spread good vibes and mellow greetings. No such thing worse than killing the baby before it's even born.

My favouritest 2 chages are

Less CPU load. Yay! Finally our little clan get's a chance of leasing our own server.

Improved commander mode. Yay! Finally us keyboard only comms get a fair chance too <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

The rest? Well, they are new and I have no real feel for them. So I shall avoid commenting. Except that I am glad to see we are getting a rehaul of many aspects, instead of regurgitating a probably impossible to balance 1.04 game.

Bubacus · March 2003

I know Twisted, I was just saying since they're announce all those alien upgrades and not that many marines upgrades... I wasn't complaining, whining, or anything like that <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>... and what big daddy stick are you referring to? From what i see it Aliens have it going for them atm. With marines you NEED a good team/very good comm to be able to defeat even a decent alien team. Aliens can have n00bs on their team and still come out winners. And if aliens manage to take just one more hive, they've pretty much got it made for them unless the marines are quick enough to get seige it before aliens have a chance to become fades...

And that may be true Psygnosis, but first of all you probably won't find a comm in every game able to multi-task so well as to fully take advantage of all the new comm abilities. And second of all, because a comm can say go there, secure that place, etc... That doesn't mean the marines WILL be able to do all that stuff if they don't get some upgrades themselves. The best comm in the world won't be able to instruct the marines to defend against a horde of skulks lying in wait around the conrer <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Bubacus · March 2003

But annnnyway, back to my original question. Does anyone have any idea of what other marine upgrades there will be? That's all i really wanted to know.

Frogg2 · March 2003

keep in mind whats on the main page is not all the changes in 1.1

Roobubba · March 2003

bubacus, that might be your experience on public servers, but the clan scene is vastly different.
This is the imbalance being addressed:

in large games, aliens almost always lose because marine res is strong and it's VERY easy to get jetpacks and hmgs before the 2nd hive goes up.
In small games, alien res is stronger than marines' and they find it easier to own most of the map, leaving marines screwed from early on.

That's why 1.1 is going to PWN in my opinion, along with the CPU load improvements of course meaning my decrepit athlon 1.4 will actually be able to hand more than 12 public slots (and 4 admin slots) on maps like hera and bast without my lounge getting hotter than a hot day in Hades.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Roo

Frogg2 · March 2003

The new alien upgrades arent there to balance the game they are there so that the other chambers get used more. The devs are trying to make the equally viable so any chamber order is useful.

Bubacus · March 2003

So basically, this update is for clanners then? Because what I've been saying is pretty much what happens on public servers, and the new updates won't do any good with balancing gameplay on the public servers.

Also, what's your idea of 'large games'? The most i've played is like 12 vs 12, and i consider that a large game.

Bubacus · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frogg2 @ Mar 27 2003, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The new alien upgrades arent there to balance the game they are there so that the other chambers get used more. The devs are trying to make the equally viable so any chamber order is useful.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Well that's pretty silly then, since it'll throw the already thin balance out the window. I thought this update was all about balancing? So far it's just been stacking on the aliens. Since it's early stages i was waiting to hear more, but if the devs are updating just 'cause sensory doesn't get used that much then that's just stupid <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Frogg2 · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bubacus @ Mar 27 2003, 09:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frogg2 @ Mar 27 2003, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The new alien upgrades arent there to balance the game they are there so that the other chambers get used more. The devs are trying to make the equally viable so any chamber order is useful. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Well that's pretty silly then, since it'll throw the already thin balance out the window. I thought this update was all about balancing? So far it's just been stacking on the aliens. Since it's early stages i was waiting to hear more, but if the devs are updating just 'cause sensory doesn't get used that much then that's just stupid <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frogg2 @ Mar 27 2003, 08:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>keep in mind whats on the main page is not all the changes in 1.1</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Roobubba · March 2003

no no no it's not about stacking it IS about balancing. Just wait and see my friend, it will be different enough to allow for great balanced games, but similar enough to be seen to be the NS we all know and love <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

In the immortal words of Coil... Waaaiiit for it... waaaaiiiiitttt for it!!!

Frogg2 · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Mar 26 2003, 02:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> One thing this posting doesn't clearly state is that this is just more info being released to you (the fans). Not ALL the info (I can personally attest to an awful lot of things not mentioned or very glossed over in that post). So before all the goth kids start the teen angst whaling over such and such a thing unbalancing the game or not being fixed or whatever, crank up your crappy music and chill. All will be explained later...</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Bubacus · March 2003

lol, ok then...

I'll go play NS while i wait <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Shockeh · March 2003

Guys, I can find you servers a-plenty where the marines regular pwn the Kharaa atm.

The only place the aliens win with any regularity atm is in the newb pubs. Everywhere else is a farce. 1.1 is gonna rule.

Gotta Love Those Alien Upgrades.

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