Glad To See Anti-cheat Support In 1.1
Wile_E_Coyote
Join Date: 2003-02-06 Member: 13198Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">losing faith in ""elite"" players (venting)</div> nothing important, or even new for that matter, just venting a bit guys.
I don't cheat. I play with the rules the games come with, and don't advantage map exploits. I really DO try to believe that there are these uber-players out there who really ARE that good, perfect aim, can execute the bunnyhop move perfectly every single time, etc. But then I have a night like last night. You all know the drill: clan-tag guy, name not important cause it was probably fake, shoots almost perfect, hits everything first try 90% of the time. In three maps always played Marine. After the third map was obviously lost, I went observer to watch their team and maybe learn from them. I stop on clan-tag guy. Has an HMG and jetpack, is shooting our hive while flying all over the room, never stopping. And then I see the mistake he made. Forgot to toggle off his auto-aim hack. Every single round that came out of his gun went toward the exact same pixel/spot on the hive, no matter how erratically he flew. Wow. How lame. I pointed out to everyone what I saw and he immediately left the server.
My favorite is the guys who play Marine and shoot everything down like a NS veteran and then turn out not to even know the map, much less how the game of NS works. Yeah, I'm sure they aquired their uber-skillz from Allah or something. Gimme a break.
Most of the advanced hacks have cheats that can be toggled on and off during gameplay so as not to draw too much attention to one's self, and the aimbot's have a miss % so it sometimes appears that your aim is not perfect. I would say about 50% of the time someone appears to cheating, they are.
I know cheaters have been and always will be in games. But boy I look forward to seeing 1.1 come out with anti-cheat support <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> It won't be perfect, but it'll sure help.
BTW, The first aimbot for half-life was created by a programmer who was ticked off because everyone in the Counter-Strike newsgroup told him it couldn't be done. So go ahead and tell me I'm just jealous cause I suck at NS: You probably have a hack to <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I don't cheat. I play with the rules the games come with, and don't advantage map exploits. I really DO try to believe that there are these uber-players out there who really ARE that good, perfect aim, can execute the bunnyhop move perfectly every single time, etc. But then I have a night like last night. You all know the drill: clan-tag guy, name not important cause it was probably fake, shoots almost perfect, hits everything first try 90% of the time. In three maps always played Marine. After the third map was obviously lost, I went observer to watch their team and maybe learn from them. I stop on clan-tag guy. Has an HMG and jetpack, is shooting our hive while flying all over the room, never stopping. And then I see the mistake he made. Forgot to toggle off his auto-aim hack. Every single round that came out of his gun went toward the exact same pixel/spot on the hive, no matter how erratically he flew. Wow. How lame. I pointed out to everyone what I saw and he immediately left the server.
My favorite is the guys who play Marine and shoot everything down like a NS veteran and then turn out not to even know the map, much less how the game of NS works. Yeah, I'm sure they aquired their uber-skillz from Allah or something. Gimme a break.
Most of the advanced hacks have cheats that can be toggled on and off during gameplay so as not to draw too much attention to one's self, and the aimbot's have a miss % so it sometimes appears that your aim is not perfect. I would say about 50% of the time someone appears to cheating, they are.
I know cheaters have been and always will be in games. But boy I look forward to seeing 1.1 come out with anti-cheat support <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> It won't be perfect, but it'll sure help.
BTW, The first aimbot for half-life was created by a programmer who was ticked off because everyone in the Counter-Strike newsgroup told him it couldn't be done. So go ahead and tell me I'm just jealous cause I suck at NS: You probably have a hack to <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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stop crying.
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/edit missing M
I believe NS requires some type of anti-cheat in order to keep it playable, because otherwise it'll just turn into another CS in it's early days. It's just getting so frustrating for both the players that actually ARE good enough to blow away half the alien team with a swipe of their gun and the players that are trying to figure out who's good enough to do that and who's computer is playing for them.
Nothing anyone can do will ever stop it, there will always be work-arounds.
But more importantly NS is the best type of FPS to avoid the cheats! Most people cheat for the fun/attention i presume, but in NS frags dont even show on the marine side. So its less obvious if someone is performing well, more important in NS is the ability to teamplay <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also because of the amount of teamplay, NS will and has created communitys unique in the FPS scene, im sure soon, maybe after 1.1 this will be more obvious (more servers viable, less cpu usage etc).
And in a community of players there arent going to be any cheats because your playing with friends and not some random "elite" dude called H4x0r with his OGC and various plugins <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
It would seem NS is less popular amongst cheaters. But what use does a comm have with a marine if he can only shoot things that move and not accomplish tasks?
I like how some forums don't display post counts so that people don't spam threads just to up their score count. I would love to see the scores for individual players gone and replaced with a tally of structures built, total resources gained, player percentage of aim etc.
Well, i am sorry to shatter your little glass world, but just because someone gets owned and cries about it doesn't mean he cheats. Yes, there probably are cheaters but not as rampant as you claim, infact i have not seen 1 cheater for ns yet. Maybe if you had some skill at the game you wouldn't be making ignorant claims like that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Although I often struggle to see the innocence in a marine kill multiple skulks in one go with a knife. For sure he locks on them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
More ignorance, the fact that the alien gets killed by a knife shows his lack of skill. I mean 75 bite damage vs 30 knife damage ...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yeah...maybe he wasn't cheating...especially after he left the server when confronted.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
maybe he just got tired of playing with noobies and bitchy players like you and decided he should find a more challenging server. It happens to me and my friends all the time.
Get some skill and stop crying.
Ahem, merC, I don't think he wasn't complaining that someone killed him so "l33tly" that he thought it was a hack/aimbot.
He just stated that there are and will be cheaters in this kind of game, and he's damn right.
Don't just read before you flame, THINK before you flame. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Even when you're in open terrain, marines usually switch to knife only after they spent their LMG and pistol clip and probably injured you. The knife may not do much damage, but if you are down to 20 health that doesn't really matter.
Most cheats have come in the form of people using exploits, ie. stopcommandermode and were just used for griefing other players. To say the person was definitly cheating because he killed 5 skulks with an hmg and jp is extremely stupid. HMGS and JPS own skulks thats why they used so much.
People just need to accept that there are some people out there who are better than them. and better does not mean cheating.
also, if youve ever watched someone fire an hmg, all the bullets fly to one point in the lower left of his random cone. thats just the way NS random cone of fire works to third parties. you may notice thins die that werent visibly hit....
a friend of mine plays CS so well youll swear he aimbots,m but ive been in the room watching him pick off dozens of terrorists, so you cant tell me its not possible. (he likes to laugh at me when i miss skulks because i dont trail them fast enough <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> )
A perfect example of a really good marine player is Captain Kirk, I'm sure a couple of you have seem him here and there. The first couple times I played against him, I was almost positive he was a cheater, however, after playing with him for extended periods of time I've come to realize he's really quite good. Many people still accuse him of cheating however because he IS that good. I'm not accussing everyone of cheating, and just as I said before, I almost NEVER do in game. I'd just like to settle my mind and many others on whether that marine popping around the corner is a kiddie scripter with a heat seaking computer lock or a mad skillz player who's going to pwn me true <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Lol, the fact that the knife has longer range than bite, and the fact that a marine is knifing probably means that the marine emptied a clip of lmg and pistol at the skulk already - some of which _must_ have hit means the skulk wasn't that bad.
However, if you really are dead certain that someone is cheating you'd better be able to back up your words with solid evidence ( 1st person demos in 1.1 ).
Yes, it is possible we have banned that one, godly player, but even if the person was not cheating, the perception of allowing cheating on the server is enough to send all the decent players away and leave you with nothing but cheaters.
Try playing with the sYn or ReD guys and see if you think they cheat. I guarantee you that you'll start off thinking they do. Some people are just damn good shots and you can't do anything about it.
<i>edit:</i> and your test isn't a very good one. You've probably banned more than a few Marines for using their Motion Tracking the way it's supposed to be. It's not entirely hard to kill two skulks within one clip, either.
He left. Immediately. Thats the only cheater I was 100% on.
Some guys out there are the alpha and the omega, when it comes to shooting. What ya gonna do? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
He left. Immediately. Thats the only cheater I was 100% on.
Some guys out there are the alpha and the omega, when it comes to shooting. What ya gonna do? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
He was probably hiding inside of the RT while attacking it.. I know the first time I encountered that it freaked me out.. damn marine kept damagin **** once I left and stopped once I got near.. till I saw him moving through the RT looking at me.. so I ate him up nicely <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> don't know why he left after you killed him though.
Aimbot does not have to be mod specific. The target could be the size of a gnat and make no difference to the aimbot. r_drawviewmodel is not a cheat.
99% of the time Cheaters, scripters, and hackers are one step ahead of anti-cheat software and other countermeasures, thus making them obsolete.
IMO - if someone is going to cheat, they will figure out a way how, no matter what countermeasures are in place.
Take an example from Diablo 2; a game that was supposedly cheat-free (if playing on the Realms/closed b.net), but if you go on a Realm today you will find hacked items, bots, and people with 8 million (yes 8`000`000) Life -- things that were obviously not embedded into the code of the game itself.
The best way to cut down cheating is the way games like EQ or other MMORPGs do it, update a patch at least daily. It can never be entirely eliminated, but it will stop many cheats from working for at least an hour or two.
Anyways I just find it extremely hilarious that people can just pull statistics like "50% of cheat accusations are true" or "70% of them are false" or whatever. I mean, WHERE did they get these numbers? Unless they used a random sampling technique and had a 100% way of telling who were cheating and who weren't, those numbers mean NOTHING!
The point is, yes, people do cheat. And yes, I'm very much looking forward to VAC, and very much hoping that Valve is still updating it (and is going to institute global banning in the near future).
If you've never encountered a cheater, I'm very happy for you.
I don't understand how VAC is supposed to stop good players from whupping your butt. Please elaborate.