Found A Way To Detect Some H4x0rz
DSSG_Nitro
Join Date: 2002-12-01 Member: 10344Members
Join Date: 2002-12-01 Member: 10344Members
<div class="IPBDescription">100% aim? no waaay</div> Ok, Im OSS leada Nitro and also an admin on our server. (forgot my other password for meh real name)
Anyhow, to all server ops!
Arent u tired of those people coming on ur server causing hanger among everyone because they got 100% aim?
And the fact is that without proofs u cant just ban them... Sometimes the marine guy is just lucky, good or the skulk sux.
Somehow I found a way yesterday to detect in way, the cheaters from the normal guys. I dont think its aimbot, anyway here is how I saw it.
We were playing ns_siege005, then this guy that people kept whining about his good accuracy had a hmg and ha...
So did I... So Iv innocently asked him, on the fire of the action, to shoot in front of him on the wall. Wich I did at the same time.
Like all of u know, the hmg aint really precise, u will see the holes on the wall randomly grouped. Well u know what?
That guy shot all his bullets with the hmg IN THE SAME HOLE!
I then started to say on the mic "Hey man wth is this? how could u shoot all ur HMG bullets so concentrated?"
Then one of his lil friends on the server (that had the same 100% accuracy) started to say "dont tell him, dont tell him!"
So obviously the guy had something to hide.
I then kicked everyone non OSS regular from the server, put tournament mode on, and ask him to repeat it.
We were all in line, 6 HMG's shooting on the wall (one STD guy was there) and no one had a concetrated group of holes on the wall....except this same guy,( that did it only once when he thought we werent looking.)
Anyway... So I pemanetly banned him from our server... And since CD, HL guard doesnt detect this kind of crap, I suggest to my fellow server ops to do the same test when u got doubt on someone.
the guy I banned is cri.stal aka aggktos, aka aggelos thanatos WON ID 3518792.
thx all
Anyhow, to all server ops!
Arent u tired of those people coming on ur server causing hanger among everyone because they got 100% aim?
And the fact is that without proofs u cant just ban them... Sometimes the marine guy is just lucky, good or the skulk sux.
Somehow I found a way yesterday to detect in way, the cheaters from the normal guys. I dont think its aimbot, anyway here is how I saw it.
We were playing ns_siege005, then this guy that people kept whining about his good accuracy had a hmg and ha...
So did I... So Iv innocently asked him, on the fire of the action, to shoot in front of him on the wall. Wich I did at the same time.
Like all of u know, the hmg aint really precise, u will see the holes on the wall randomly grouped. Well u know what?
That guy shot all his bullets with the hmg IN THE SAME HOLE!
I then started to say on the mic "Hey man wth is this? how could u shoot all ur HMG bullets so concentrated?"
Then one of his lil friends on the server (that had the same 100% accuracy) started to say "dont tell him, dont tell him!"
So obviously the guy had something to hide.
I then kicked everyone non OSS regular from the server, put tournament mode on, and ask him to repeat it.
We were all in line, 6 HMG's shooting on the wall (one STD guy was there) and no one had a concetrated group of holes on the wall....except this same guy,( that did it only once when he thought we werent looking.)
Anyway... So I pemanetly banned him from our server... And since CD, HL guard doesnt detect this kind of crap, I suggest to my fellow server ops to do the same test when u got doubt on someone.
the guy I banned is cri.stal aka aggktos, aka aggelos thanatos WON ID 3518792.
thx all
Comments
Good point though about watching the spread of their bullets as a lot of admins dont seem to be aware of the fact ppl are using scripts for such things
Bullet holes decals shown on the client are totally different to where they actually hit, and are shown differently on different clients. This is due to clientside prediction.
I suggest you get a mate and fire side-by-side and compare screenshots of the two gun spreads.
Also If you were running C-D 2.7.0 then there is currently no aimbot for NS which gets past C-D at this point in time.
Someone in my CLAN explain it to me how it works (the cheat) but I didnt get it because my english aint too good...
Anyhow I got CD and its undetectable, and its a type of BOT .... Ill keep u in touch, Iv asked him to post a whole explanation on our private forums....
Yesterday we did a Ladder match vs a good rated clan. And we both won as aliens.
I say this, because usually when u play with clan such as ......(censored)... they always rape ur skulks team, and when they have HMG they kill fades as easily as a skulk, obviously without waisting one bullet.
So Im quite 99.999% sure that those top clan do use that kind of undetected cheat.
In OSS we all play NS since the first version, and its impossible that one marine is able to kill our whole skulk team.
<span style='color:red'> <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>RUTHLESS PUNISHMENT TO DUMB-ARSE CHEATERS </span></span>
It can't be proved that he wasn't cheating, but this sure isn't a clear cut sign of cheating either. I'd suggest you un-ban this guy and apologize for your ignorance on the matter...
That test Nitro did on me was pretty whack. It doesnt prove nothing. Only that you may very well be an admin that doesnt like getting killed.
If i have a somewhat okay aim, let me alone and let me play. I dont bother anybody. I just wanna have fun. Is that so much to ask?
Greetings, Aggelos
Btw, I am sorry for lashing out at you guys before getting kicked. You just were too mean to me. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
In fact, when we caught Aggelos, like I said on my first post, Iv put like 10 people in line and no one had the same so called bug.
I re-did and re-did the tests and... I found one of my own members shootin all on the same hole...So... u "could" be right...
As for Cheat Death, it is installed now, and looks like it brings more hackers. We found out that there is a BOT and wallhack going around for NS that is "undetectable" by any known anticheat programs.
As for Aggelos we have 20 000 reasons to believe he does cheat. First he was kicked out of OSS for being the worst player, 1 week after he comes back and kill everyone. Doent take a genie to find that BOT and wallhack that is anti-CD tests (or any other programs) took me 20 minutes to find it, once I had the right keywords.
V1.1 might help us...
OSS server allows lil exploits, some scripts, but abusing, and taking me for an idiot that u passed from worst player to the best, by just changing ur mouse sensivity? fudge u!
But I will unban u from our server... And apologies for an accusation where I hadnt enough proofs... But u gonna have to face the consequences of ur dirty talk against our organization if u comeback.
As for the 100% aim because Im an elite. That is crap. When Im a skulk I know how to dodge bullets, when u strafe left and right (in a unpredictible way) and no bullets is waisted, that is cheatin. The best players of OSS play since very first version, we saw all kinds of players, we know who are the bests one"s, and we can recognise crap from real skillz.
Anyway man, all that to say that v1.1 might help us more, we the server ops, to not let this game become what CS became...
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[OSS]Nitro : don't trust your instincts
In short, don't flame Nitro, he's only trying to help from what I can tell
When Im a skulk I know how to dodge bullets, when u strafe left and right (in a unpredictible way) and no bullets is waisted, that is cheatin.
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That is simply ridiculous. Just because a person has good aim, they don't cheat. It is very easy to lead a skulk, as MOST skulks are fairly predictable in their movements. As for Aggeklos, he's the worst person in our clan, but he is getting better just from practice with us. Playing on a new level does tend to enhance your skills.
#cri.tical
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As for Aggelos we have 20 000 reasons to believe he does cheat. First he was kicked out of OSS for being the worst player, 1 week after he comes back and kill everyone. Doent take a genie to find that BOT and wallhack that is anti-CD tests (or any other programs) took me 20 minutes to find it, once I had the right keywords.
V1.1 might help us...
OSS server allows lil exploits, some scripts, but abusing, and taking me for an idiot that u passed from worst player to the best, by just changing ur mouse sensivity? fudge u!
But I will unban u from our server... And apologies for an accusation where I hadnt enough proofs... But u gonna have to face the consequences of ur dirty talk against our organization if u comeback.
As for the 100% aim because Im an elite. That is crap. When Im a skulk I know how to dodge bullets, when u strafe left and right (in a unpredictible way) and no bullets is waisted, that is cheatin. The best players of OSS play since very first version, we saw all kinds of players, we know who are the bests one"s, and we can recognise crap from real skillz.
Anyway man, all that to say that v1.1 might help us more, we the server ops, to not let this game become what CS became...
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that wallhack is known as "motion-tracking".
Please - like they said - it's a halflife graphical bug. The bullet hole drawn is in no way shape or form indicative of where the bullet actually hit.
Aggelos - I'd suggest you just find a new server.
Nitro - I'd love to see you defend your statement that cheating-death brings MORE hackers to your server.
Its just not that hard. I been trying very hard to become better. Just let me be.
And by the way. It was 1 month, not 1 week.
except that where the bullet decals are is probability based on the area hit by th bullets, it's not precies, but it's fairly good in ns, and even cs, it was made to be, and what they're describing isn't naturally possible, because bullets spread out in a probability cone from the guns origin.
I found the h4x (well more like bug exploit) that some people are using...
Im contacting right now the NS officials. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Yup and it is why Aggelos, want to comeback even after being so badly treated <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
And I want to keep OSS server a fun place, where good team spirit players meet.
As for all others comments, one reply. U all dont know what ur talking about. Nuthing worst then hearing people that "think" they know all the game.
its like when u go com, and there is that guy that doesnt know what ur doing and starts telling u what to build ... then after trying to eject u allalone, they realise that the game is already over...
Too many of those 'NS GODS".. Everytime I post, there is always those people with those stoopid comments "that wallhack is called motion tracking" sheesh or people pretending that a good aim (without cheats) can kill 5 skulks in a row without missing one bullet...
U guys by ur statement just proven ur ignorance, or ur lack of integrity for the 2nd example.
Nitro
These so called "NS GODS" as you put it are ppl who are trying to run thier servers as best as possible, just like you are.
You seem to be a good admin (from what i can tell) seeing as you've LISTENED and then unbanned a player.
Thats a sign of a good admin IMHO.
wallhacks are almost all detected (except the ones that are using sound, those are hard to detect). Aimbots, well, i don't know of anythat that actually work, if someone finds one, plz let me know so i can test it against CD because from what i've found, THEY DON'T work!!
CD hasn't attracted hackers to my server, it has attracted players with more skills.
its like when u go com, and there is that guy that doesnt know what ur doing and starts telling u what to build ... then after trying to eject u allalone, they realise that the game is already over...
Too many of those 'NS GODS".. Everytime I post, there is always those people with those stoopid comments "that wallhack is called motion tracking" sheesh or people pretending that a good aim (without cheats) can kill 5 skulks in a row without missing one bullet...
U guys by ur statement just proven ur ignorance, or ur lack of integrity for the 2nd example.
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SuicideDog (or someone else), can we get that M:TG card up here again? Hurry, before I break out my own flamage <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I believe it was Nitro that kicked and or banned me (I never checked to see if I was banned).
Hi!!
Hello!!!
I don't cheat!!
Bye!
Now, any other posts as to banning on that server don't have a place here. This post was specifically about hack detection, if I'm not mistaken, and not about the OSS server or ANY OTHER SERVERS!
I hate seeing legitimate threads locked because of flaming, and if more admins knew about this graphic bug, maybe less people would be banned. So please, don't flame, it does nothing but decrease the good that this thread could possibly do.
DONT PLAY ON THEIR SERVER! If you beat them, you cheat...thats their philosophy..their admins don't know crap about about the HL engine and think you cheat from some graphical bug, what a joke. this thread is a joke too.
"recoil hax gg"
I'm just gonna laugh at the fact that you have like a 50 member roster <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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this goes to everyone !!!EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU!!!:
if you have an incident on a server, CONTACT THE SERVER ADMIN OR KEEP YOUR BIG MOUTH SHUT.
In the majority of cases you can talk out any problems or differences. In any case where you can't, simply don't go there again, STOP POSTING ON FORUMS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PROOF OR PRIOR CONTACT with the server admin!!!
the cvar sv_contact is there for a reason!!!! (it can be easily checked using a server monitoring program such as gamespy, all seeing eye etc)
GAHH
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Roo