Expoiters On The {h2o}-7 Server
SnO0Py
Join Date: 2003-02-27 Member: 14092Members
Join Date: 2003-02-27 Member: 14092Members
Ok I found these guys, they were using the interp exploit a few times, the one used a script/hack/whatever where he could move around while he was dead(I dont mean turn, I accually mean MOVE), and they were bunnyhopping. I dont have a demo to prove this, but I have a picture of their names ingame. They're in a clan named -RoT-. Since I dont have any proof, all I can say is if you see them watch them, if you think they're doing any of these things, they probably are. I know this dosent seem very drastic but I dont really like any exploiters/hackers of any kind.
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[EDIT] After reading one of the "personnels being told of" post I am even MORE assured that this post is useless waste of time. Go play more snoopy... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<u><b>INFO ON ME</b></u>
i usually play as kas or kastro(sometimes but not too often i use the -RoT-tag).
some nG guys know me sorta from playin on h20 and i play with the ReD guys sometimes.
i dont hack
i dont have some wacky script that somehow makes me run towards you and bite you while you miss me with your lmg
i like long walks on the beach and puffy cheetos.
here is a thread from another person that seemed to like me:
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=10968&hl=' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...f=1&t=10968&hl=</a>
(roscoe is instagasm in that pic)
seriously though, its really sad for this to even be happening. people need to think before they accuse. they should also try spectating before saying anything.
ummm ok? No idea what you are talking about here, there is a bug in TFC where you can move around and keep playing sometimes with 0 health and 0 armor and your screen goes sideways, but I have never seen it happen in NS, nor would it be controlled by interp/script/hack/whatever. I really thought you were joking when you said "THEY ARE USING INTERP 4!!" As far as I know the only way to exploit interp is to use values lower than 0.1 making it easier to track targets, anything over 0.1 is the same as 0.1 (correct me if I'm wrong).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and they were bunnyhopping <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes I <b>strafe jump</b>. [rant]I get so tired of people calling it bunnyhop...YOU CANT BUNNYHOP IN HALFLIFE ANYMORE WITHOUT SERVER SIDE MODS! Valve limited the speed increase to 165%, if you go faster it knocks you back down to 110%. Some of you people wouldn't have lasted 30 seconds in pre-hl1108 TFC[/rant] It is up to the admins to determine whether or not that is an exploit/cheat right now, and the admin we were playing with on bast before you got there didn't seem to mind so I kept doing it. I don't think it's a cheat/exploit, sue me.
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I offered to record a demo but apparently you were too busy whining to notice. No hack is undetectable in first person demos...NONE. What is really bad is when I offer to record a demo and send to an accuser and the response is "Why would I want to see a demo of you cheating?"
The last thing I will say is this: my wonid is 57363. Search for it on google to see that I have never been flagged for cheating once since June of 1999. Kastro and I have been playing HL and Q3 together longer than most of the people in that screenshot have had half life.
If the h2o admins see it fit to ban me that's fine I don't want to play there with such a low caliber of whiny assinine players (you) anyway.
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but I'm tired of the same baseless arguments being tossed around. Allow me to clear this up.
Call it whatever you want. It's still "bunnyhopping" as everyone is familiar with the term. You are exploiting a bug in the HL physics engine to achieve speeds greater than you should be able to. Just because valve had to band-aid the physics code to prevent it from getting completely out of hand, doesn't make it not an exploit. Yes, this exploit takes practice to perform well; it's not easy. That doesn't magically transform it from an "exploit" into a "skill" though. Ease-of-execution is not a factor in the definition of "exploit."
Once quick example on why this is an exploit: a bunnyhopping marine with an HMG can outpace an LMG marine down a hall. The heavy weapons are designed to make you slower than average, but you're circumventing that design choice by exploiting a HL engine bug. Thankfully, Flayra is killing bunnyhopping in 1.1. End of story.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thankfully, Flayra is killing bunnyhopping in 1.1. End of story.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I don't think it's possible to change the air acceleration you get when jumping and strafing and swinging your mouse properly. He might be able to change the friction physics so that speed won't be maintained when you land (which would definitely stop strafe jumping), but people will still be able to hit 165% in one (long) jump--this works even in CS with the newbified jumping. People will still be exploiting the HL engine to a smaller degree I can almost guarantee. Will this warrant coming to the forums and crying about it? Probably not, but where do you draw the line and who draws it?
Messing with the air acceleration physics is difficult at best, and every server I have played on that has modified them is absolutely unplayable. Grenades thrown as far away as possible land at your feet, and the movement just feels very clumsy and unsmooth (is un-half-life-like a word?). Maybe Flayra has the skills to change it, I guess we will see.
Semantics aside, however, I understand the reasons for your opposition, and that's fine. I won't play on your server or will at least respect the admin's wishes regarding the matter (in this case he didn't mind). Some of us enjoy a faster paced game with a higher skill cap where movement skills are actually important, to each his own.
(Just wanted to clarify my poor wording on the initial post and got carried away, this is really the wrong forum for this old hashed over argument.)
<img src='http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/icaregates.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
My comment about pre-1108 TFC stands heh.
Please - this is the Servers and Server Operators forum. Don't bring bragging about how "elite" your clan is here. Take it to the general or OT forums.
Not if the LMG marine knows how to strafe jump.
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Being persecuted for knowing how to move in half life is like being punished for studying for a test--sorry, some people have done their homework.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bad analogy. A better analogy would be: Your friend shows you a copy of the test answers, you spend hours memorizing them, then go ace the test. Smart students who didn't see the answers score slightly below you. You only beat them out because you cheated.
You are exploiting a bug in the HL physics engine. END. I should not have to exploit the same bug to even the playing field.
<!--QuoteBegin--Roscoe+Apr 12 2003, 03:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roscoe @ Apr 12 2003, 03:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--verbose+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (verbose)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Thankfully, Flayra is killing bunnyhopping in 1.1. End of story.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Messing with the air acceleration physics is difficult at best, and every server I have played on that has modified them is absolutely unplayable. Grenades thrown as far away as possible land at your feet, and the movement just feels very clumsy and unsmooth (is un-half-life-like a word?). Maybe Flayra has the skills to change it, I guess we will see.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If the fix was extremely simple, I'm sure Valve would have killed bunnyhopping entirely, instead of band-aiding the problem by putting a cap on the max speed. I have faith that Flayra will come up with an acceptable solution.
<!--QuoteBegin--Roscoe+Apr 12 2003, 03:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roscoe @ Apr 12 2003, 03:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Some of us enjoy a faster paced game with a higher skill cap where movement skills are actually important, to each his own.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're twisting the issue again. It's not a skill, it's an exploit. A player should not have to have knowledge about a flaw in the game's physics engine in order to compete with you. That's an unreasonable expectation.
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Just because it's an exploit doesn't make it any less of a skill.
skill
n.
Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience.
I realize that neither of us is going to budge on this issue, but I understand your viewpoint and will certainly respect it if you are admin on a server I am playing on.
PS: Duck, I'm not in stryker's clan. If you had actually read his post you would see that I am not in a competitive clan for NS. How is cosa doing? Banned from all the leauges like their last mod yet?
This post reminds me of Counter-Strike, where you have the nub who's been playing games for < 2 years, and they accuse people like Roscoe who have been playing for >4 years of exploits, hax, etc etc. BooHoo. If you were a good player you'd be able to take people who "exploit" and compete. Even if Roscoe didn't use his "exploits," he'd take any player in this game and rape the **** out of them. And what player in this mod doesn't try and abuse the hitbox bug. Isn't that an "exploit"? Basically, if you're here whining, you probably suck at the game. Instead of crying about it I'd go and learn to b-hop myself. Good players adapt. Bad ones are left behind crying.
sup duck, i play ns too. wanna scrim my clan? just stop by #rot or #redemption
REIGN OF MOTHER FKIN TERROR OWNS YOUR ****
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not if the LMG marine is willing to cheat too. It's just a hard-to-fix bug in the physics engine, it all evens out.[...] Yes, I am aware it's cheating, but since everyone else can use it, I do not think I am doing anything wrong. Being persecuted for being good at abusing bugs to beat my opponent is like being punished for having cheated on a test because the professor forgot the answers on his desk and I copied them down since everyone else could do it too.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Abusing a bug is cheating.
That everyone else has the option of doing it does not justify your cheating.
That it has not been fixed because it is very hard to fix does not justify your cheating.
That you think it is okey to abuse bugs that are hard to fix does not justify your cheating.
You are cheating. Plain and simple.
This post reminds me of Counter-Strike, where you have the nub who's been playing games for < 2 years, and they accuse people like Roscoe who have been playing for >4 years of exploits, hax, etc etc. BooHoo. If you were a good player you'd be able to take people who "exploit" and compete. Even if Roscoe didn't use his "exploits," he'd take any player in this game and rape the **** out of them. And what player in this mod doesn't try and abuse the hitbox bug. Isn't that an "exploit"? Basically, if you're here whining, you probably suck at the game. Instead of crying about it I'd go and learn to b-hop myself. Good players adapt. Bad ones are left behind crying. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fact - I'm not "whining".
Fact - You don't even play NS.
Fact - Stryker's post was off the topic.
Fact - I was merely pointing out that this forum is for Server owners and operators to discuss issues regarding administration of said servers.
I would go on and discuss issues regarding the mod you pointed out, but then I would be:
a) lowering myself to your level.
b) going off topic, which is exactly what I was pointing out to stryker that we (read: the server operators) try to prevent in this forum.
Please - go flame in another forum. This is not the place for them.
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Lemme stop this real fast.
Numero Uno: I have forums for these servers located at <a href='http://www.h2ocs.com/invboard/' target='_blank'>http://www.h2ocs.com/invboard/</a>
Granted I've been too busy to play much, I do read them religiously.
Numero Dos: If your bunnyhopping, strafe jumping, whatever on my servers. I will ban you. You already admit to it, just takes me a minute to find your wonid in the logs.
Numero Tres: Can this get this locked? It doesn't belong here and I appoligize that things from my servers have spilled here.
*edit: bans applied
would ppl say that, in general, MOST servers will
1) BAN players for bhopping
2) KICK players for bhopping
3) Do NOTHING to players for bhopping
Can't we all just get along?
Think of the children!
WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
Numero Uno: In case you didn't notice it was on your server that this occurred. Please do ban me to save me the time of joining a server full of scrubs like the ones that were playing that day. I was votekicked every 2 mins by these players even though half the people there knew I was legit, so the votes never passed (or they didn't know how to vote...)
Numero Dos: I don't remember seeing in the MOTD "no bunnyhopping" or else I would have respected your wishes and found another server. I beg your pardon if I am wrong about this.
Numero Tres: The admin with the [MERC] tag that was on before this joker didn't say anything, even when we talked in ready room and then in spec mode, so I kept doing it.
Numero Cuatro (sp?): My wonid is 57363. I invite any admins who don't allow bunnyhopping to ban me. I won't argue since I probably wouldn't want to play on your server anyway.
Numer Cinco: Good job on the bans Zdrone--way to keep the skill level on your servers extra low. Every newbie praises you.
I really don't intend my posts to be a jab at anyone, it's just that when I first saw people bunnyhopping in half-life almost 4 years ago, I didn't think "THOSE HACKERS!! THEY ARE CHEATING!!" I thought "wow, I wish I could do that, that looks like fun." Sad how times and perceptions and players have changed...
I also find it funny you said in your post that you said you would record a demo, because I didnt see you say it, I didnt see it in the console anywhere, and none of my teammates acknowledged that by saying "ok record it then" or anything relating to that...
It's mind boggling how such a long argument can arise over something that was stated in the 1st or 2nd reply. You say it’s exploiting…you admit it. Why is it so hard to understand that exploiting would be in fact cheating?
How can you rant and rave about exploits actually being skill, and not cheating? Were you dropped on your head as a child? The post about the interpreted statement just about sums it up nicely:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not if the LMG marine is willing to cheat too. It's just a hard-to-fix bug in the physics engine, it all evens out.[...] Yes, I am aware it's cheating, but since everyone else can use it, I do not think I am doing anything wrong. Being persecuted for being good at abusing bugs to beat my opponent is like being punished for having cheated on a test because the professor forgot the answers on his desk and I copied them down since everyone else could do it too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
After this quote…what is there to argue? Why do you seem to continue to argue your case when there is nothing to argue? What gets me the most is the fact that you seem like an intelligent, logical person. Manners to go with that too. You seem to have been brought up well…to respect others and not to abusively put others down. HOW CAN YOU NOT FIGURE THIS OUT??!!!! Exploiting bugs in code is a form of CHEATING…just like coming across answers to a test (even if everyone has this advantage), IT IS STILL CHEATING!
However you want to put it, it remains unchanged. CHEATING IS CHEATING…it blows my mind that you call it an exploit then continue to talk as though it is some skill that should be acquired by all to play the game at the level it is supposed to be played. How is playing the game using exploits the required level? By my standards, the standards of MOST players, and the standards of the HL creators, the game is not to be played this way. So how do you of all people get to sit there and dictate to others that we are all at a level inferior to you and that we should stoop to your level and start cheating?
It’s so embarrassing to sit here and read something like this…how have we as a society been so warped into thinking cheating is ok? Those of you that support this have some twisted point of views. If you have this point of view and support people such as those stating there case in this post….PLEASE, stop playing HL games! The rest of the honest people out there trying to play for fun and enjoyment would not miss you at all…
I know I will see some lame response in defence to this post…but honestly, where did you go wrong in life that you gained this skewed point of view? Please…try to think about what you are actually arguing. You will see that what you are arguing is totally rediculous and it makes no sense in any logical way!
Your perceptions changed...and you now percieve cheating as an acceptable way to play this game (glancing at the quote...I see you always had this cheating perspective).
Perceptions of fair and true players have remained the same, and that is that this game(and EVERYTHING IN LIFE!) is to be played fair...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi I'm new to half-life. I don't like being challenged to become a better player. Instead of acquiring the skills to be competitive I would rather come to the forums and whine from my highchair. Watch me cry!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See how that works both ways? Isn't this fun? Now you try K'Ragg...
Guess what Boris...every time you play marine and crouch you are abusing a bug, an "exploit" if you will. In fact, I think the crouching hitbox bug is far worse than "bunnyhopping" since it only gives an advantage to one team and requires 0 skill to execute. However I realize that this is simply part of the half life engine, and very little if anything can be done about it. Do I think any marine who ducks in a vent should be banned on sight? No. Do I consider it cheating? No. By the way, please read and reread the definition of skill (<a href='http://www.dictionary.com' target='_blank'>www.dictionary.com</a>) and tell me without flat out lying that the definition doesn't apply to "bunnyhopping." Yes, I know it isn't possible but give me a good laugh and try please.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It’s so embarrassing to sit here and read something like this…how have we as a society been so warped into thinking cheating is ok? Those of you that support this have some twisted point of views. If you have this point of view and support people such as those stating there case in this post….PLEASE, stop playing HL games! The rest of the honest people out there trying to play for fun and enjoyment would not miss you at all…<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree, it is embarassing to sit and read dribble like I have seen this thread. You still haven't proven to me that it is cheating, so your weak legged argument doesn't stand, period. Like I said before...which gaming nazi draws the line and where? What's next? No custom crosshairs? They give a definite advantage over the drab defaults. Who are you to dictate how the game should be played? HL games have been like this for much longer than you have been playing them obviously, maybe YOU should "stop playing HL games!" if you don't like it. And you have the nerve to tell me my point of view is twisted in the same sentence that you say I should stop playing the game I have enjoyed for 4 years. I also try to play for fun and enjoyment, and I certainly consider myself an honest player. Sorry if I and many others feel that an extra dimension of skill is added to the game in the movement category with strafe jumping, something you obviously cannot do. It adds to the "fun and enjoyment" for me and many others...sorry.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I know I will see some lame response in defence to this post…but honestly, where did you go wrong in life that you gained this skewed point of view? Please…try to think about what you are actually arguing. You will see that what you are arguing is totally rediculous and it makes no sense in any logical way!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You took the words straight off my keyboard.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your perceptions changed...and you now percieve cheating as an acceptable way to play this game (glancing at the quote...I see you always had this cheating perspective).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Still waiting for proof that it is cheating, stop building an argument on an unproven base and a quote that isn't mine please.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Perceptions of fair and true players have remained the same, and that is that this game(and EVERYTHING IN LIFE!) is to be played fair... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If anything can be gleaned from this thread it's that one person's fair is another person's foul. No black and white in this world Boris, sorry your mom never told you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Were you dropped on your head as a child?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not that I remember, but judging from the circular logic of your argument, the misspelled words, and the utter lack of reading comprehension, I believe it's possible that you were. You might want to have it checked out...
(I dont usually belittle someone's intelligence for misspelled words, but if you are going to insult mine you should make sure your posts are spelled correctly at least...)
This is the last post on this thread for me...I know I'm right, everyone else who has posted knows he or she is right. This argument has been hashed over 908570947157839457 times and nothing has ever been resolved. It won't be in NS 1.1 anyway, so it's really a moot point. I invite anyone to come play TFC with me sometime on a bhop hooked server so I can show you true bunnyhopping. Until then, gg's and good night.
Recently I've been told how to do bunnyhopping. Ok, I thought, lets try it. And yes, I went faster than that skulk trying to bite me, because I jumped backwards, or I simply outran him. That, I thought of as insanely lame, since skulks are supposed to be faster, ESPECIALLY when the marine is walking backwards, no matter how new they are to NS and HL. Ok, so I can teach him, and all other skulks, but shouldn't it be in an official HL(or NS) manual if it's such a necessity to know?
Bunnyhopping has no limits or disadvantages that I can think of except that you make noise- which is a neglectable disadvantage, since it is barely more noise over standard walking, plus you can just crouch and exploit yet another engine bug. Unlike rocketjumping, which wasn't intended either, but got left in, since it had a disadvantage(I believe that is why it is left in, I'll check google later), namely you got hurt.
And, why did Valve try to limit it if they find it okay? To reduce the amount of advantage you get with this skill/exploit/31337h4x/whatever, rather than remove it?... Though that sort-of makes sense, I believe I have seen it said somewhere that they did their best to remove it, but couldn't remove it completely without laming up jumping, and that would be too high a cost.
¬_¬ I suddenly realize that no matter what anyone says, those who think it is an exploit that should be removed from all of HL, will keep thinking so, and all that think it is an legitimate skill, will keep thinking that. Ah well.
It is a skill, ok, but it is also an exploit of the engine, is that good enough put?
EDIT: I sux at making post, I trail in and out of my thoughts on what to write next...