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Big_Chief_Brown_Bottom · April 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">terran ghost</div> since nobody else is making a ghost model for the SC conversion pack, i have taken up the task and started modelling. here's what i have got so far at the bottom. It already has 170 polys...

It will be female (ala sc:ghost's Nova)i haven't decided whether to make this a light or heavy marine model though.

I did this in Milkshape, but it says i have to pay $20 usd to register it in a month, so i want to take a poll on the modelling community to see what you guys think is the best free modelling tool out there. I was thinking about downloading gmax or softimage XSI. since gmax /3dsmax has more tuts on the net i was leaning towards that. but i'd also like to hear some other opinions from you guys (e.g. stick with milkshape). from what i've seen in the tutorials 3dsmax is like the photoshop of 3d modelling: hella expensive, but amazing features and plugin communitiy. how much does it cost in usd? anyone know?

thanks in advance for any feedback, on the model or modelling app.

coil · April 2003

Milkshape's damn good for its price. You'll only need something like max if you're planning on getting serious about modeling, I think. 3dsmax5, new, for a standalone license, is $3100. I believe a student license is less, but will still cost you more than a new computer. q: I'd go with Gmax or Milkshape.

Another good thing about Milkshape is that max's export-SMD plugin is pretty twitchy; sometimes you need to open the file in milkshape *anyway* just so you can export it properly. *coil growls about stupid noncompiling SMD files*

Big_Chief_Brown_Bottom · April 2003

hmm. i guess i'll have to fork over 20 bucks anyways just for the compiling/decompiliing that milkshape does. just out of curiosity though, are the official models for NS made with LEGIT version max or some other modeller (e.g. bootlegged max)?

Zanid · April 2003

<b>I mean well, but we're not supposed to talk about warez here.</b>

coil · April 2003

I don't know if the NS modelers own the software they use legitimately. If they're involved in the industry (as some, like Cory, are), the chances are they have a legit copy of max through their employer.

As a moderator, however, I have to actively discourage talk of warez & software piracy on the boards. Sorry. ^^

Reaps · April 2003

lo just a quick suggestion on the model make it a light marine as the ghosts are light armoured in game and also quite nimble just my opinion though plus the current starcraft marine can already be converted to heavy armour just by renaming the model <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Akalamanaia · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Apr 21 2003, 07:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't know if the NS modelers own the software they use legitimately. If they're involved in the industry (as some, like Cory, are), the chances are they have a legit copy of max through their employer.

As a moderator, however, I have to actively discourage talk of warez & software piracy on the boards. Sorry. ^^  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
and ima dead man if i post enything about milkshape "Fixing" <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Wilkins · April 2003

I'd suggest that you fork over the 20 bucks, I know I am today, since everyone seems to like the skinning I'm doing on Tresth's Marine model.

I'd also suggest doing the model for the regular Marine, since, like was stated before, they are more nimble, less armored, etc. Also, don't go overload on the facial polies if theres no need. A good skinner can get you the same effect <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

coil · April 2003

I would suggest starting with the torso, then arms or legs, then legs or arms, and *last* the head. The head, while important, is an area where it's easy to go over-budget on polys, so it's best to get the rest of the body down before you try it. It's also fairly detailed, and easy to get the proportions wrong if you don't have the rest of the body for reference.

Big_Chief_Brown_Bottom · April 2003

the head, face actually, is where i wanted to invest a lot of polies. i didnt' want to make just a textured face but one with boned eyes and mouth, and am planning on doing anims for voice comm and such.

Reaps · April 2003

quality a model that actually speaks when voice comms are activated will come in handy for my new ns movie <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Edit: you know like its possible to make 2 seperate skin types can you make like 1 male and 1 female <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

MalambisBZ · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Reaps @ Apr 21 2003, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> quality a model that actually speaks when voice comms are activated will come in handy for my new ns movie <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Edit: you know like its possible to make 2 seperate skin types can you make like 1 male and 1 female <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Only the skin changes.. so the dude will have boobs.. or the girl wont, LOL. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Sirus · April 2003

Also, I might add, with the exception of Starcraft Ghost's Main Character Nova, Ghost's always wear helmets.

Reaps · April 2003

for some reason all the male ghosts wore helmets yet the females did not ( kerrigan )

Edit: btw lol sorry i didnt think guess it will just be a womans army that turn into men when they get heavy armour lol <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

SnO0Py · April 2003

Unless the heavy wore a helmet, I think ns really needs female models.

RotA_Plague · April 2003

If I were you, I would go to GMAX and also buy Milkshape. Staying completely legit is great. I find 3DS MAX great but Milkshape is good for doing the little thing like compiling and little last minute tweaks. But seeing how 3DS MAX is a tad high for anyones pocket, I see GMAX as a great resort.

Delarosa · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RotA_Plague @ Apr 21 2003, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I see GMAX as a great resort.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
please, don't lie to the man!

to export FROM GMAX into HL, you have to convert it to a Q3 model, using Gmax - Tempest... then import into MS3D, re-do all your groups, animate, and assign to bones...

i personally found it a pain... but that was just me, and mostly because i couldn't get export to 3ds to work right... ohh well, to each his own... warez = bad.... MS3D = $20

RotA_Plague · April 2003

I hate to post this close to my last, but here it goes. Sure going through that isn't that great to say the least, but all and all it is worth it. If he were to ever buy 3DS MAX(not sure of the possiblity) then it pays off. Even if he doesn't, I personally prefer the ability of GMAX over Milkshape. But in the end I have only used 3DS MAX and Milkshape, I have taken looks at GMAX but never made one model in it so it might not be as good as I let on.

Sirus · April 2003

Reaps, It's because you wouldn't know it's a girl in Starcraft if it didn't have a helmet, plus it was a hero.

And Nova from Starcraft Ghost is the main character, and having her with a helmet would be too bland.

;p

Jamil · April 2003

Yes. Who would want a bunch of clones running around anyway? Hide their faces, so it looks a little less silly. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Reaps · April 2003

flat chested women on the way <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'> lol

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