Close This One Too?

ElucidElucid Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7385Banned
Do you think there gonna close this forum as well? I mean they closed down the disscusion forum and the same stuff went on in there thats goin on in here...Or did I miss something? was it closed down for a bigger reason? In my opnion I honestly think the admins are being to strict on the off topic sections of the forums.They dont enforce anything ...except for what we talk about ooc? someone could rant on and on saying this game sucks but they dont do a thing about it.

So cmon some of you admins and mods need to loosten up abit and chill

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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    The discussion forum was closed a few weeks ago by MonsE, I'm not going to repeat his reasons as he stated them often enough himself, just do a quick search.

    No topic (or forum) got closed for the sentiments expressed therein - if you dislike the game, to take your example, it's in our best interest to listen closely and take notes. Topics are locked because of the way an opinion is presented or because there are older threads on the same subject. This policy will not 'loosen up'. Period.

    If you dislike the policy of a single mod or admin, contact him via PM or E-Mail and present your concerns in a respectful manner. If you flat out disagree with the whole of the forum policy, I suggest you go search yourself a new playground - we're not gonna change anytime soon.
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    edited May 2003
    ::cringes as the sound of the smackdown echoes through the forums::

    Dont you feel like Iraq now? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> edit: warning this comment is not to be taken seriously

    I found that disagreeing with Admins, (even in constructive terms) is a futile effort, its too easy to dismiss a random forum member when the glow of the big red button is so sweet
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    Hey GreyPaws, lets say I invaded your country, took your government down then proceeded to let utter chaos reign where there was no law, hardly any food or water and hundreds of thousands of foreign troops sitting around on the soil of your country. Huh? I bet you might be feeling a bit shaken. So don't use terms like "Dont you feel like Iraq now?". It's just plain insulting to take the suffering and death of thousands and use it in such a way.

    Btw, I've disagreed with Monse on more times than I care to remember. He never just dismissed me with the flick of a button. No dev ever has. They have no reason to just dismiss you if what you are saying is constructive and inside the forum guidelines. I think you really have the wrong impression of them.
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    I don’t remember mentioning any names bud, and I'm sorry if I offended you. You obviously have other issues to deal with if you took an off-handed comment like that so seriously.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    Oh do I? It's nice to see how you can dismiss an entire war as "an off-handed comment". Never mind the thousands of deaths, as long as they were "enemy" deaths. Oh well, everythings fine and dandy, Love, Freedom and Mom's Apple Pie can rule supreme once more!

    Understand that I don't like to see people being so flippant commenting on the deaths of others.
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    you are right, Im sorry
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited May 2003
    Making political statments on gaming forums is like asking the UN to help with military planning, all you're going to get is a lot of whining and hurt feelings.

    And Ryo the war lasted less than a month, there were even fewer civilian casualties than projected, it cost 1/4 as much as was projected, and there has yet to be any massive fallout.

    Maybe you ought to consider that in all that combat there was probably less death than a year of living under the rule of their former dictator, who took the liberty of using rape chambers and mass murder to teach his ideology. It is easy to criticize the war when you live in a country where you never have to worry about seeing your mother violated with a broken wine bottle, just keep in mind one life IS worth saving a thousand.

    If it wasn't for reservations of the anti-war majority the president could have come out and said that he wanted to take Saddam out of power, to establish democratic rule in Iraq, and make better use of their oil and funds, as much as you don't like US foreign policy they arn't quite tyrants yet.
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    no no dr.d
    I have been put in my rightful place. I'm so glad someone came along to change my evil insensitive ways. It feel better to apologize not antagonize I pulled an American Airlines(or was it United?) (I'm sorry, and I would like to take this oppertunity to apologize, and say that I am truly sorry, and that this is my apology and I am sorry)
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Making political statments on gaming forums is like asking the UN to help with military planning, all you're going to get is a lot of whining and hurt feelings.

    And Ryo the war lasted less than a month, there were even fewer civilian casualties than projected, it cost 1/4 as much as was projected, and there has yet to be any massive fallout.

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    I'll just ignore the lamented discussion forums then, and besides, this is the off-topic forums. Gaming has nothing to do with what is posted here.

    Oh great, another UN complainer. Lets just let every nation on the planet do whatever the hell they chose to do. International law? Whats that?!

    Wow, only a month. *applauds* Of course Bin Laden and the other groups who think like him now have tons of extra support, an enraged Arab world to leech recruits from and the ongoing occupation of a Muslim nation to milk for advantage. But yeah, the war is over. I mean, just go to Saudi Arabia and take in the lovely surrounds, such as the rubble and bodies from the lastest terrorist attack.
    "YET to be any massive fallout". YET. One more time perhaps? YET. When the fallout from America's middle east policies did occur, it occured in the form of hijacked airliners crashing into skyscrapers. That was without the US actually invading and occuping a Muslim state. What will it be next time hmm? LNG tanker in New York harbour? Nuclear bomb in Washington? Anthrax spores in LA?

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Maybe you ought to consider that in all that combat there was probably less death than a year of living under the rule of their former dictator, who took the liberty of using rape chambers and mass murder to teach his ideology. It is easy to criticize the war when you live in a country where you never have to worry about seeing your mother violated with a broken wine bottle, just keep in mind one life IS worth saving a thousand.
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    Oh I agree. Now that we've started this great moral crusade lets invade China as well. Whats that you say? Oh but we can't? But they do nasty things as well! How can we let them get away with it?! Oh they have NUKES. Ah, thats fine then. No other nation around the world though will see the need to aquire such weapons of protection though. No siree.
    But why stop there? Cross Iraq's southern border and you'll find a regime just about as bad. Absolute dictator, brutal repression of human rights, he should be a prime target right? No, wait, he has oil. And he's nice to the US. So we'll just leave the Saudi's alone.

    You're missing one very very major factor here. That is the war began because the US claimed that iraq represented a legitimate threat to the national security of the United States. The reasoning was that iraq has weapons of mass destruction which were in danger of being passed into terrorist hands. This ws the basis for the whole war's legitimacy. Yet the weeks go by and still nothing. Now the focus has changed to "the great crusade" to free the downtrodden and repressed Iraqi people. Problem is, that doesn't really cut it when held up to international law or any of the UN resolutions. Worse still, with the US taking this attitude it appears vastly hypocritical considering Saudi Arabia is just about as bad.
    I don't have to worry about my mother being violated with a broken wine bottle? Oh of course I live in the wonderful state of Australia, where there are police everywhere, and no-one would ever imagine committing a crime. Of course, if I lived in America I'd be even safer! No unsolved murders there! No unsolved rape crimes! A land of perfect justice where no crime goes unpunished!

    But in the end, of course, it's all for the best that Saddam is gone. There'll be no more September 11's, thats for sure! Wait, wasn't it that other guy who did that? No we couldn't find him. We'll blame this guy. AH, right, I understand. Well, the world is now safe from Weapons of mass destruction! Err, we couldn't find anything. And there's this small matter of hundreds of Soviet era nuclear weapons missing. But never mind all that! This place has oil!
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    What an awesome way to prove Nems point about why Discussion was closed down.

    Keep up the good work buddy.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    Speculation and philosophising is no way to present any kind of real argument, and you seemd to completely have ignored my point that the WMD rehtoric only existed because of anti-war sentiments and I for one would have had more respect for the administration if they openly admited that they were after regime change.

    So far the only fallout has been a change in power in Iraq and a change in power in Palestine, as of yet we can't, or at least I won't, speculate as to what it will lead to.

    And if you want to get philosophical I will humor you. Terrorism is the last obstical in Capatilism's path, and the extremist exist in areas where Capatilism doesn't reign. It's easy to propegate mass murder to people whose only education consist of spoon fed ideology and to fathers who will get more money for their family by killing themselves than they could working four life times. It's easy to point the finger at America and say it's because of their foreign policy, but it's not the case, even if the US didn't have autrocious foreign policy there would still be terrorism, because the people propegating terrorism have the same thirst for power of those propegating capatilism. They are both about controled masses working towards objectives, you just have to decide which world you'd rather live in.

    Personally I think there is nothing wrong with a country being an international watch-dog and it's about time we started moving towards a world state anyway. The only problem is there isn't anyone capable of running one and as much corruption as there is in goverment now it would just fall apart quickly.

    And yes there will be crime, and hate, and murder, that is a human condition and mostly a domestic policy issue. It would be nice if everyone could think like Marx and give up petty ambitions for the greater good of self but it won't happen.
  • DubersDubers Pet Shop Boy Edinburgh, UK Join Date: 2002-07-25 Member: 998Members
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    I wasn't flamming at all so don't lock it on my behalf
  • WindelkronWindelkron Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Members
    If the war was fought over oppression of a majority by a minority, hidden and undeclared nuclear, bio, and chem weapons, and in the interests of stability in the middle east, we should have invaded israel <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    We didnt "invade" israel, but we put out the "roadmap" which both sides accepted, and supposedly they are working toward a palistinian state. Im sure if Sharone was raping people with bottles and personally killing people for fun we would have pressured him just the same as Hussien
  • WindelkronWindelkron Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Members
    edited May 2003
    No, I mean Israel fulfilled all the reasons we were attacking Iraq.

    Oh, and a common tactic (I think) in US antiterror campaigns in the past was to threaten to turn the person over to the Israeli police. I don't think they're as nice as the US ones D:
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