Gorge "drinking"

Neoskeptic · May 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">ey mate, care for a pint of res?</div> I've read the changelog, and I was wondering just how fast can a gorge "drink" from an uncapped res node? and if it's reasonably fast, what's to stop the entire team from gorging, res drinking, then getting whatever evolution they want?

Or was this ability removed in later 1.1 versions?

criticaI · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Neoskeptic @ May 18 2003, 08:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>what's to stop the entire team from gorging, res drinking, then getting whatever evolution they want?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
The marines.

Elderwyrm · May 2003

About how fast do you get res. And does it go to you or the team like an rt would. I would think it should slower than a res because those actually cost something

Melatonin · May 2003

2 words and its over.
quality

im_lost · May 2003

When the gorge sucks up resources, they get all of the resources. They get resources faster than they would normally get resources from the node, but they get less resources than the entire team would from that resource tower. So, building a res tower helps everyone to evolve, sucking up res only helps you to evolve. Plus, if you evolved to gorge to suck up resources, you would have to spend 20 resources evolving first.

James_H4xwell · May 2003

Im looking forward so planting a sensory, then suckling my little heart out untill i have enough to onos. That will be cool!

im_lost · May 2003

Even if the marines don't notice you (using silence, etc), when they plop an rt down and 4 of them start building that will create a messy situation. Also, if you and everyone else on the team try sucking out resources, you will all get killed before you accomplish anything.

Another thing. If multiple gorges suck from the same nozzle then the res is divided equally among them.

Brave_Ulysses · May 2003

Urrr... sucking resources? Could someone please explain this to me without using incredibly annoying phrases like: "Try search!"?

Infected_Marine · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brave Ulysses @ May 18 2003, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Urrr... sucking resources? Could someone please explain this to me without using incredibly annoying phrases like: "Try search!"?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
No.

Use <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=Search&f=1' target='_blank'>Search</a>.

im_lost · May 2003

In 1.1, gorges will be able to walk up to a res nozzle that doesn't have a res tower built on it and push the "use" key. This will give them res faster than one person could get res from a built res tower, but they will get less res than their entire team would get from having a built res tower.

MutantMFM · May 2003

It will be useful to have since the gorges can get resources faster. Then cap more nozels and build hives quicker along with the chambers.

Brave_Ulysses · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ May 18 2003, 09:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>In 1.1, gorges will be able to walk up to a res nozzle that doesn't have a res tower built on it and push the "use" key. This will give them res faster than one person could get res from a built res tower, but they will get less res than their entire team would get from having a built res tower.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Cheers for explaining that!

And as for you Infected Marine, <a href='http://images.mp3.com/mp3s/5/resources/876/785/files/8767855.jpg' target='_blank'>damn you!</a>

Marik_Steele · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (James H4xwell @ May 18 2003, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Im looking forward so planting a sensory, then suckling my little heart out untill i have enough to onos. That will be cool!</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Unfortunately for you and your team, it would take forever and you'd be the only one to get res out of that.
The reason the resource "drinking" rate lowers the more full your gorge is because people were doing exactly this, "sucking to go Onos," and the team doesn't benefit from it.

[edit]Here's what would happen if you did that: if you managed to survive the several minutes sitting there, you'd have enough to go onos, yes. But your team wouldn't have gotten the resources from having a res tower there. You'd go onos, your buddies would all be lowly skulks (or maybe lerks). When you show up near marines, guess who they're all going to shoot at once?[/edit]

Smarter gorges will drink resources, plant chambers, drink more, plant more, drink a little to capture the resource tower in this newly-infested area, and move on. The team gets a nice minibase, chambers, and resources, and all is good.

Forlorn · May 2003

New sucking system = teh pwn

Zel · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ May 18 2003, 09:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>New sucking system = teh pwn</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
thats an awesome quote for hundreds of situations.

include · May 2003

I can see it now

The entire team gorging and fighting over res nodes so they can evolve to onos first.

Macguyvok · May 2003

Here's what I was worried about.. that I put in another post:
</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>if a gorge evolves cloaking, can he suck while cloaked? If so... WHY USE RES NODES? Just have cloaked gorges sucking away.. the marines would never know where the gorges are... till suddenly a pack of oni, or fades rush them...... That's been my concern for a little while now.... has ne playtester tried this? </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

So... what do you gues think?

Javert · May 2003

They should. This is also outlined in one of the 'tales from the frontlines' and SHOULD be in the 1.1 tactics thread also.

criticaI · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Macguyvok @ May 18 2003, 11:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>if a gorge evolves cloaking, can he suck while cloaked? If so... WHY USE RES NODES? Just have cloaked gorges sucking away.. the marines would never know where the gorges are... till suddenly a pack of oni, or fades rush them...... That's been my concern for a little while now.... has ne playtester tried this? </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Well, gorges are quite loud when sucking. Marines are tipped off that he's there because.. there is this sucking noise coming from this node! Its a gorge. Duh. Fire a few shots and gorge appears. Then you mow him down.
<i>Has any playtester tried this?</i>
We've tried everything you can think of and more!

0blique · May 2003

I think it goes both ways. If all the gorges are busy sucking away, then who will build defences and attack the marines? With no or little pressure from the aliens, I don't think it would be too hard for them to send a large force to tak e out the hive.

Macguyvok · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Well, gorges are quite loud when sucking. Marines are tipped off that he's there because.. there is this sucking noise coming from this node! Its a gorge. Duh. Fire a few shots and gorge appears. Then you mow him down.
Has any playtester tried this?
We've tried everything you can think of and more!
</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Heh.. I bet you guys have!! But still, I've gotta ask: does silence affect the sucking noise?

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I think it goes both ways. If all the gorges are busy sucking away, then who will build defences and attack the marines? With no or little pressure from the aliens, I don't think it would be too hard for them to send a large force to tak e out the hive. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Very good point... It's late here.. and I hadn't thought that totally through... thanks for point it out!

Bogglesteinsky · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Macguyvok @ May 18 2003, 11:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Heh.. I bet you guys have!! But still, I've gotta ask: does silence affect the sucking noise?
 </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
yes

there are plenty of threads around explaining this (esp in beta discussion)

i wont say use search, but i will say read everything before you ask questions

Ollj · May 2003

Its official:

In 1.1 gorges suck and everyone likes it. (gotta make a spraylogo of that)

Pegenator · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ May 19 2003, 02:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>In 1.1 gorges suck and everyone likes it. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Big_Chief_Brown_Bottom · May 2003

<img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/images/gorge_view_model.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

hmm suck on this...

Church · May 2003

In 1.1 I'm going to be knifing the space around every empty res nozzle just to be sure...

GoldenShadow · May 2003

Remember that if 2 gorges try to suck on the same res nozzle, they get half as much. so if the entire wanted to gorge and suck up lot of res, they would have to spread out to all the open nozzles. it leaves them spread out and vulnerable to marine hunting squads.

Moquiao · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cri.tical @ May 19 2003, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Neoskeptic @ May 18 2003, 08:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>what's to stop the entire team from gorging, res drinking, then getting whatever evolution they want?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
The marines.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
this dude has said it all!

James_H4xwell · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik_Steele @ May 18 2003, 09:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (James H4xwell @ May 18 2003, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Im looking forward so planting a sensory, then suckling my little heart out untill i have enough to onos. That will be cool!</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Unfortunately for you and your team, it would take forever and you'd be the only one to get res out of that.
The reason the resource "drinking" rate lowers the more full your gorge is because people were doing exactly this, "sucking to go Onos," and the team doesn't benefit from it.

[edit]Here's what would happen if you did that: if you managed to survive the several minutes sitting there, you'd have enough to go onos, yes. But your team wouldn't have gotten the resources from having a res tower there. You'd go onos, your buddies would all be lowly skulks (or maybe lerks). When you show up near marines, guess who they're all going to shoot at once?[/edit]

Smarter gorges will drink resources, plant chambers, drink more, plant more, drink a little to capture the resource tower in this newly-infested area, and move on. The team gets a nice minibase, chambers, and resources, and all is good.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I wasnt really being serious, gosh.

Fam · May 2003

When Gorge sucking was added, there was regularly comments such as:

Boz, stop sucking my node off!
darnit Monse, you hairy nipplemonstro, stop humping my node!
Storm loves to suck.
Comprox sucks!
(repeat every 20 seconds for 3 hours)

Oh, it was humourous indeed.

Exploding-Man · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infected Marine @ May 18 2003, 09:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brave Ulysses @ May 18 2003, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Urrr... sucking resources? Could someone please explain this to me without using incredibly annoying phrases like: "Try search!"?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
No.

Use <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=Search&f=1' target='_blank'>Search</a>.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Hows this phrase...Play the friggin mod!

Gorge "drinking"

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