Cheats

Creepie

<div class="IPBDescription">strange one this</div> Was on specing on my server last night and came across a couple of players chatting in the ready room. They seemed to be referring to a 3rd party plug in. Talking about pressing 'INS' to activate a menu, scrolling through options and sub menus using the mwheel and selecting options such "friends or foes" or something similar. Now I know that NS doesn't have anything like this at all in game so I was pretty suspicious. Is this the setup for a cheat or something or have I got the wrong end of the stick ?

Creep.

Sandrock

I think it just might be a custom communication script. Keep your eye on them, but dont jump to conclusions too quickly.

Creepie

Yeah - I didn't say anything but just kept a close eye on em. I've never installed any cheats before so I don't know how any of them work. Thanks for the advice.

Creep.

DEADscott

Sounds like aimbot hack in OGC. INS drops the menu down. Then select what targets the autoaim will shoot friends or foes. I know this because I check the Hacker sites, and try the hacks to protect our server. Know your enemy.

mstr

Scrolling menu options with mwheel is not something you can script, so it was most probably a cheat.

Install C-D to get rid of them. ( <a href='http://tx3.us.unitedadmins.com/cdeath.php' target='_blank'>http://tx3.us.unitedadmins.com/cdeath.php</a> )

Mjr_Beatings

Oh dear, I wish people would learn!

C-D does <b>NOT</b> detect cheats, kick cheaters or anything like that. It purely stops people using aimbots/wallhacks on you as an individual!

Roscoe

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Scrolling menu options with mwheel is not something you can script, so it was most probably a cheat.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I have made TFC scripts that scroll through a menu in echo or in a scr_connectmsg box with the mwheel...

Creepie

That's true actually, never thought of that Roscoe. Although what {DEAD}scott says does sound worrying. Still, C-D seems to be the way to go. Wish I'd taken a log of their conversation now.

Creep.

DEADscott

Google OGC or PM me if you want me to send you a link. The newest one released is called OGC 2.7. The aimbot and speed hacks work well in NS. The only way we've found to stop the hacks has been hlguard with Cheating-Death combined. CD does not dectect cheats, it makes them unusable. Hlguard detects scripts that dont actually HOOK onto hl. Just running one or the other will not be enough to stop all cheats. Maybe both is not even good enough to stop all cheats. But using both is the best we've found so far.

Creepie

Thanks Scott. I may do that in the future. To be honest, I don't think we get many cheats on the server - and we will be installing CD soon. However, the information here has been useful.

Again, thanks for everyone's help.

Creep.

That_Annoying_Kid

so cheating death just prevents wall hacks and aimbots to be used on you...

or how does it work?

ElvenThief

Read the "What is Cheating Death" topic in the newbie forum. Very informative and explanitory.

That_Annoying_Kid

okay I shall

thanks!

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I R teh servar nub but no worries, learning is how you improve

That_Annoying_Kid

I did, and my knowledge of CD is greatly improved

the idea of not preventing cheats themselves but just foiling them is a very intersting one

now here is one that I don't get

how come VAC doesn't like people with the CD client side installed?


oooh

is it becuase CD sits between hl and server (just like a cheat) and VAC sees it and goes ooh H4x (well not exactly like that) and disconnects you...


and doesn't CD not let you conenct to VAC enabled servers?

PetitMorte

nutshell version: Cheating Death makes it so the cheats don't work. Period. That's all it does.

No detection of cheaters, no banning, no logging, no nothing. It just makes it so that if you run CD on your PC and you try and run a cheat too, the cheat won't work. ie: It is the death of the cheats... Cheating Death.

The server-side CD checks people playing and verifies that they have a valid up-to-date copy of CD running. If you're running the server in "Optional Mode" and they don't, it adds [NO-CD] or [OLD-CD] as appropriate to the player's name. If you're running the server in "Required" mode, then it simply kicks them. That way you can be "reasonably" sure that the people you are playing with aren't cheating.

Also, as seen in the NS1.1 changelog, if you ARE running a valid CD client, you get a special icon next to your name on the scoreboard, like server admins, game developers, or Constellation donors.

Cereal_KillR

yeah theyre not compatible so CD quickly shuts down HL when it sees VAC. So you're not added to the black list thing of cheaters.


As long as CD isn't bad, it's good. As long as it works it's ok in my book <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

verbose

C-D version 2.11.0 is out. It handles attempts to join VAC-enabled servers a bit more gracefully:

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saubloed

<!--QuoteBegin--Mjr.Beatings+May 21 2003, 12:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mjr.Beatings @ May 21 2003, 12:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh dear, I wish people would learn!

C-D does <b>NOT</b> detect cheats, kick cheaters or anything like that. It purely stops people using aimbots/wallhacks on you as an individual! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is completely wrong. You maybe mean Hlguard.

Cheating Death is currently the best anti-cheat tool:
<a href='http://www.unitedadmins.com/cdeath-why.php' target='_blank'>http://www.unitedadmins.com/cdeath-why.php</a>

<a href='http://www.unitedadmins.com/cdeath.php' target='_blank'>http://www.unitedadmins.com/cdeath.php</a>

Simple_Compound

actually he is correct. in such a way it does NOT actually detect cheats it just prevents any programs from hooking into half-life that modifies or changes it in any way to give an unfair advantage, as said above.

Pebbles-TPF

<!--QuoteBegin--_Creep_+May 20 2003, 05:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (_Creep_ @ May 20 2003, 05:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Was on specing on my server last night and came across a couple of players chatting in the ready room. They seemed to be referring to a 3rd party plug in. Talking about pressing 'INS' to activate a menu, scrolling through options and sub menus using the mwheel and selecting options such "friends or foes" or something similar. Now I know that NS doesn't have anything like this at all in game so I was pretty suspicious. Is this the setup for a cheat or something or have I got the wrong end of the stick ?

Creep. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
back to the original statement,

There are a lot of clans in TFC/CS that have custom communication binds that work with a menu that takes advantage of the HL GUI. I'm guessing someone is trying to port those over to NS so that they don't have to go and buy a microphone to communicate.

Btw, binds seem to be far more communication efficient than Mics in a battle.

<i>Pebbs</i>