what i thoguth was VERY rude was a server motd which will remain nameless...
which states the most useless drivel ever.
'if you dont speak english please dont play here'
good lord what kind opf cretins are running this server... you cant play here if you dont speak english..
fair enough if they said 'please speak english only here or risk k/b '
that is still harsh but alittle better...
i have a plan lets go to theyre server location and <!--emo&::siege::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='siege.gif'><!--endemo--> it.
I agree so many wacky rules that people make up for the hell of it ruin the atmosphere. The dumbest of them all is the no chasing rule, such as if you snipe someone but don't kill them, and they try to turn around and finish them off, its illegal. I have been kicked for this. Or such sniping someone on 2fort then they jump in the water, so you throw a grenade in there to finish them off. I mean come on.
TFC is a game that should be played with no gameplay rules whatsoever (besides cheating or the lamer who is purposely infecting his entire team). Even if a demoman is grenading you spawn to hell, you just have to live with it.
I play tfc by an honor code, but i dont complain too much when others dont.
spam is bad but tolorable, if im think i wont survive a battle i will get rid of all my grens, but they are all aimed (though not timed) at an enemy
dont put sg next to enemy spawn, its rude.
infect and run- i think its cowardace, but if it starts to bother me, i go med and kick there ****. I use the double shotgun as med, i only infect if the dumbys get close enouph to me.
snipers- nothin wrong with em, they burn well. though a little known fact, sniping pyros makes you **** shrink, if im a sniper i always switch to ar against pyros.
dont like to spawn camp, i think thats rude as well, what i do it patrol the enemy base, but i move through there entire base whil doing it.
thats my personal code, nothin bad happen if someone doesnt folow it, but i can kick just about anyone but i want within those.
Ive only seen 2 stupid server side rules
scouts, spys, med not alowed defence: that other guy discused it
snipers not alowed to use anything but sniper rifle: they give em more than one weapon for a reason, when i "snipe" i use all the weapons. I love the nailgun on those sniper maps, the enemy even stays still enouph i can hit em, and they have trouble hiting me when i turn on the dodge skillz.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am of the opinion that the medic's infect ability lasts too long. No other detrimental effect, such as conc and caltrop and including up to death, lasts that long. It's possible to outlast the infection by staying in the respawn room and using up all the medkits, but that is extremely selfish<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
infection is permanant, till it kills you are a freindly medic heals you.
Chasing is very lame. Wheather or not you loose atempting something lame in the first place is bad enough. Obvously if you chase, then your team has a bigger chance of winning anyway.
Don't forget
4. Don't steal flags that your teammates have dropped
<ul> <li>No climbing on walls, It's distracting <li>No buildings Offense Chambers, they are obviously lame <li>No building hives, you only start with one for a reason <li>No teching <li>No turrets <li>No Onos, Fade, Lerk Or Gorge <li>No Knifing <li>No Jetpacks/HA <li>No Shotguns </ul>
People are so lame.
What is chasing ? Going after the guy who took your flag ?
Chasing is, apparently, running after anyone. At all. Even if they've got the flag. It's especially reprehensible if you decide that you want to stop people coming into your base... you know, because TFC lets you choose if you're playing Offense or Defense, and the two sides should only attack the other one.
<!--QuoteBegin--JediYoshi+May 25 2003, 11:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JediYoshi @ May 25 2003, 11:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 4. Don't steal flags that your teammates have dropped <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I especially hate this.
When your teammate dies, PICK UP THE FLAG AND CAP IT. I don't care about your score, I care about team victory.
I remember some guy died almost on the cap point. I was right next to the flag, and right next to the cap point. Less than a second to cap the flag. We got guys in the enemy flagbase waiting on it to respawn so they can take it and we can cap AGAIN. So i grab it and cap it, then have to listen to him whining about not getting 10 points, even though my doing so ensured not one but TWO caps for our team...
Another time just the opposite, I had the flag but died really near the cap point. my teammate who was working with me just stood there. I say "WTH, take the flag and cap it" "olo no i'm gonna let u get ur credit u deserve it" "i don't care, cap the damn flag!!!"
<!--QuoteBegin--Gadzuko+May 25 2003, 11:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ May 25 2003, 11:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Chasing is, apparently, running after anyone. At all. Even if they've got the flag. It's especially reprehensible if you decide that you want to stop people coming into your base... you know, because TFC lets you choose if you're playing Offense or Defense, and the two sides should only attack the other one. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's just the way the cookie crumbles nowadays. Most games, for any serious player is made of
once some stupid admin banned me from an NS server cuz i got 10 kills in a straight row, 4 with pistol, 4 with lmg and 1 with knife. He claimed i was hacking....
<!--QuoteBegin--[WoLF]+May 25 2003, 05:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([WoLF] @ May 25 2003, 05:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> what i thoguth was VERY rude was a server motd which will remain nameless...
which states the most useless drivel ever.
'if you dont speak english please dont play here'
good lord what kind opf cretins are running this server... you cant play here if you dont speak english..
fair enough if they said 'please speak english only here or risk k/b '
that is still harsh but alittle better...
i have a plan lets go to theyre server location and <!--emo&::siege::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='siege.gif'><!--endemo--> it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I can allmost understand that servers POV. NS is as many have stated before a game where teamwork is crucial. If you can't communicate with your teammates then the whole team will suffer. But I think that as long as you understand english then it doesn't matter that much if you can't speak or write well. You shouldn't get kicked or asked to leave though untill you have proven that your lack of knowledge in a language is hampering the game.
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
<!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+May 25 2003, 06:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ May 25 2003, 06:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+May 25 2003, 05:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ May 25 2003, 05:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+May 25 2003, 06:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ May 25 2003, 06:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To clarify on the sieging the Admin let me know that everyone knows siege cannons are for defense only before banning me. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Should you come up against such guys, just give them my E-Mail adress. I'm fresh out of sedatives and don't know where to aim my aggression... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nem you are my hero. I would pay money to see you in a chat with that guy. Or better yet have that admin play in your server.
Bad Admin: YO N00bs Sieges ar for defense only!! Nem 0 comes in: And you should not play ns.
<!--QuoteBegin--Sirus+May 25 2003, 11:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ May 25 2003, 11:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What is chasing ? Going after the guy who took your flag ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Chasing is Team A offense pursuing Team B offense. According to the new rules of TFC, no offense may chase offense. It is Team A defense's responsibility to kill Team B offense.
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
<!--QuoteBegin--MedHead+May 26 2003, 11:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ May 26 2003, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Sirus+May 25 2003, 11:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ May 25 2003, 11:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What is chasing ? Going after the guy who took your flag ? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Chasing is Team A offense pursuing Team B offense. According to the new rules of TFC, no offense may chase offense. It is Team A defense's responsibility to kill Team B offense. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> See what this is comming down too, we just cant have a good ol fun game anymore. Its like trying to play though a legal document lol. If you see a guy with your teams flag, Im gonna go after him. Thats the way its been down since before capture the flag was a PC game. As in where you played out side with your friends.
When I used to play TFC, (Play, not mod). I remember being banned from a server for "chasing". and "stealing caps".
I was "chasing" when a I was guarding the flag in the base in 2fort as my fav class (engy), a medic comes down the elevator shaft, he throws all his concs at me, then a frag grenade. Then he grabbed the flag, out of concs he went up thru the main entry to the basement, At the doorway I had a dispenser in the dark corner where he couldnt see it. I hit my "detdispenser" key and he died, then screams "f**king chaser". and "voogru u f**king ****. Since when is it bad to defend the flag and kill the ***? Also I doubt this was chasing in anyway.
Then for "cap stealer".
Umm, my team mate dies becuase an engy killed him with spanner, leaves the flag, and I can see the flag. I go get it and cap it, then he screams "FLAG CAP STEALER!!!!!! KICK VOOGRU", then proceeds to do a kick vote, which fails. I just said Its a team game, so the team gets the score anyways.
This is prolly why I got into modding, was more fun to mod and do crazy stuff than to go thru the crap players give you when you do play.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1. No chasing. Offense must never turn around and chase after enemy offense, even if it is necessary. 2. No potshotting. Offense must never shoot at offense, even if passing right beside the enemy player (ala 2fort). What is even worse is if you turn around and shoot at their backs. 3. No yard defense. Your defense must stay in the base - no standing around outside. Even if the yard is 2 miles long, you must stand inside the base doors. 4. No infecting. Medics may not infect any enemy players. Even though it is a weapon coded by Valve. 5. No grenades near respawn. No grenades may be placed near respawn. Some servers allow a few, but most don't want any. 6. No sentry guns in enemy base. Sentry guns must never be placed in enemy base. This is just embarrassing for the players. 7. No scout, spy, or medic on defense. No scouts, spies, or medics are allowed on defense. Obviously, Valve forgot to enter that restriction. I mean, who needs scouts? It's not like they detect spies. Wait, they do. Well, spies on defense don't have a weapon that kills in one hit. Wait. They do. Well, medics aren't fast running healing machines. Wait. They are. 8. No chasing flag runner to enemy base. Once they leave your base, you can't chase them down any longer. Obviously working for the cap isn't expected. 9. No snipers. Ever. No snipers allowed. And if you do, don't dare use it in the yard. 10. No pyros. They just annoy. TFC is a serious 'sport' - we don't want any silly things in this game. 11. No shooting from battlements. No defense must shoot enemy offense who is traveling from base to base. I know a server that kicks/bans for this. Similar to rule 3. 12. Offense must not shoot enemy offense from outside of the base. Similar to rule 11 and 3, no offense is allowed to shoot at enemy defense until the offense member gets in the enemy base. Once again, this rule has resulted in kicks/bans. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You guys itch and moan a LOT. I play in STA with clan [NHB], and while the league itself in general doesnt enforce these rules, clans do. Mainly its not about the game itself, its about common courtesy and trying to make the game as un-retarded as possible. For the most part you're guys comments on these rules are misinterpreted.
1) No chasing - Meaning don't go chasing the flag carrier back into his own base when he has the flag. Generally not league enforced, but lots of clans enforce it. 2) No potshotting - My clan is in Silver in STA, we don't potshot. We've heard a lot about top clans potshotting. We don't. Its again a matter of courtesy, we think there should be more skill involved in defending a flag than shooting the crap out of each other on the bridge. Let defense defend, let offense... offend? 3) No yard defense - Haven't heard this one, but in general your defense sucks if its out in the yard. 4) No infecting - I havent heard this rule, except maybe from admins 5) No grenades near respawn - This is to prevent demos and HW from tossing MIRVs at your spawn door. Once again, courtesy, and overall showing you arent a llama. 6) No sentry gun in enemy base - Our clan has a different variation, no sentry gun pointed at the spawn. Then again in league play this will probably never happen. 7) No scout, medic, spy on defense - This isn't a rule, but in general soldiers, demos, and HW make much better defense than these classes. 8) No chasing flag runner - Same as 1 9) No snipers - Snipers in general in league play suck, I have no complaint if an admin gets rid of them. 10) No pyros - Just annoy? Ive seen pyros better than most soldiers... right. 11) No defense shooting people in the yard - Its pretty much considered pot shotting. 12) No offense shooting defense outside - If their defense is outside take advantage of it, don't sit here moaning about it that you can't kill them.
when i played, it was blue versus red, thats the only rule. blue shoots reds he sees, wherever ont he map it is. how the heck can you tell me not to shoot at a badguy who is obviously going into my base for my flag? potshotting!?!? its called forward defense in my book.
no shooting at anyone or anything in the yard. whats the point of playing then?
it was my favorite to put a sentry on the enemy side, it would get dozens of their offense as they headed out, freeing up our defense to come forward and own the heck out of their team. its just how you play the game.
i cant even imaging how boring a "dont shoot a flagrunner" and "dont shoot offense v offense" and "no snipers or medics or pyros" why on earth would you play that game!! give me jp/hmg rush any day.
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
edited May 2003
Lol All i have to say is its a dang good thing real life combat doesnt have to follow TFC rules. Imagine you are trying to guard an objective against the Iraqi's or somone.
US army intel guy: Sir intel suggests Iraqi spies may be headed this way, shall I stay here to screen them out? Comm: No US combat engineer: Comm shall I set up perimeter defenses? Comm: HECK NO< jeeze only set up in our base! US Sniper: Sir here they come, shall I engange? Comm: No and y dont you just go home, stupid no skilled sniper. US soldier guardng bridge: Sir they are taking the bridge shall I engage? Comm: No let them pass. No hostilities on bridges, remember? US soldiers guarding fort: They are at the gates shall we engage? Comm: Are they IN the gates? I think not so hold your fire son. US soldier: Sir the defenders are all dead but all I have is this offensive flame unit can I engage those enemy units guarding our only hope for escape? Comm: Absolutly not! You son are on offense! US medic: Comm everything is dead can I repair? Comm: No. Thats cheap. US Soldiers: Sir we just got wiped out by a third world country. Comm: Cheer up son. We gave it a fair fight.
I never saw these rules in other CTF matches in Unreal or Quake but hey what ever works. I dont really do the Clan match thingy. But thats my opinion and I respect yours too so dont think I hate you or something lol.
The only rule I have in tfc is regarding the thin surface nail grenade exploit.
Everything else goes, and sometimes I go by the name DLC~Yard Shooter <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You guys itch and moan a LOT. I play in STA with clan [NHB], and while the league itself in general doesnt enforce these rules, clans do. Mainly its not about the game itself, its about common courtesy and trying to make the game as un-retarded as possible. For the most part you're guys comments on these rules are misinterpreted.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's the problem right there - it starts elitism. Clans think they're better than those evil "pubbers" because clans follow a 'higher order' of rules. It's crazy.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1) No chasing - Meaning don't go chasing the flag carrier back into his own base when he has the flag. Generally not league enforced, but lots of clans enforce it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why would this be a problem? Do most clan members have troubles running backwards and shooting at the same time? Do they want us to print some "Get out of our base free" cards? <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->2) No potshotting - My clan is in Silver in STA, we don't potshot. We've heard a lot about top clans potshotting. We don't. Its again a matter of courtesy, we think there should be more skill involved in defending a flag than shooting the crap out of each other on the bridge. Let defense defend, let offense... offend?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Let's make it easier for the defense, and take the enemy life down a notch or two. Do most clan members have trouble evading enemy fire? <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->3) No yard defense - Haven't heard this one, but in general your defense sucks if its out in the yard.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I guess you've never played as a HWGuy on mulch_trench. You can severely damage the enemy offense. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->4) No infecting - I havent heard this rule, except maybe from admins<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hear this whined about so often. The 'top' public servers all call you a llama for doing something so "evil." <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->5) No grenades near respawn - This is to prevent demos and HW from tossing MIRVs at your spawn door. Once again, courtesy, and overall showing you arent a llama.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How'd the defense get in there? They died. But, I do agree that it's nice not to do it. It is a new rule, one which wasn't deemed unnacceptable beforehand. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->6) No sentry gun in enemy base - Our clan has a different variation, no sentry gun pointed at the spawn. Then again in league play this will probably never happen.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 1. It's not that hard to kill a sentry gun. 2. If the gun can get up to level 3, something is wrong with the defense. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->7) No scout, medic, spy on defense - This isn't a rule, but in general soldiers, demos, and HW make much better defense than these classes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not really. Ever have a scout steal your flag? The medic can chase through the base long enough to pump a few shells into his back. A medic on defense makes a fine addition to any team. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->8) No chasing flag runner - Same as 1<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nothing is more satisfying than fragging an enemy right before he caps the flag. I can just see his confident smirk as he strolls up to the capping area - then BAM he's dead. Oh yes... oh yeesss... <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->9) No snipers - Snipers in general in league play suck, I have no complaint if an admin gets rid of them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> But what's wrong with using them? Nothing. Yet clans get labeled llama clans if they use them. Believe me, I've heard about it. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->10) No pyros - Just annoy? Ive seen pyros better than most soldiers... right.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Fact remains though, pyros get a lot of flak as a wasted class. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->11) No defense shooting people in the yard - Its pretty much considered pot shotting.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Who cares, is what I say. Dodge my bullets then. Stop being such a wimp and only trying to be an offensive player when you get in the enemy base. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->12) No offense shooting defense outside - If their defense is outside take advantage of it, don't sit here moaning about it that you can't kill them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You missed the point! In many servers, you're not allowed to shoot at each other! That's considered yard defense!
<!--QuoteBegin--Cereal_KillR+May 25 2003, 06:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ May 25 2003, 06:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well apparently I can speak english (otherwise what am I doing here) and someone just asked where everyone was from and so I said france and everyone starting yelling some racist comments some thing about us being terrorists and they wanted to bomb the Eiffel tower, then I got kickbanned <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> When I was on my recent 3-month stay in the US, I got so much abuse for playing as "Souris" on a couple of servers. I've probably mentioned it before in another thread somewhere but I still can't believe how dumb some people can be with their French-bashing.
<!--QuoteBegin--MedHead+May 26 2003, 06:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ May 26 2003, 06:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's the problem right there - it starts elitism. Clans think they're better than those evil "pubbers" because clans follow a 'higher order' of rules. It's crazy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is the reason I quit my clan, and tfc.
On another note, before I quit tfc I was banned from 20+ servers for yardshooting and "chasing"
<!--QuoteBegin--OttoDestruct+May 26 2003, 06:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ May 26 2003, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Fine, keep whining, you only make yourself look like an idiot. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What exactly are you trying to say? or is this just flamebait?
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which states the most useless drivel ever.
'if you dont speak english please dont play here'
good lord what kind opf cretins are running this server... you cant play here if you dont speak english..
fair enough if they said 'please speak english only here or risk k/b '
that is still harsh but alittle better...
i have a plan lets go to theyre server location and <!--emo&::siege::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='siege.gif'><!--endemo--> it.
TFC is a game that should be played with no gameplay rules whatsoever (besides cheating or the lamer who is purposely infecting his entire team). Even if a demoman is grenading you spawn to hell, you just have to live with it.
spam is bad but tolorable, if im think i wont survive a battle i will get rid of all my grens, but they are all aimed (though not timed) at an enemy
dont put sg next to enemy spawn, its rude.
infect and run- i think its cowardace, but if it starts to bother me, i go med and kick there ****. I use the double shotgun as med, i only infect if the dumbys get close enouph to me.
snipers- nothin wrong with em, they burn well. though a little known fact, sniping pyros makes you **** shrink, if im a sniper i always switch to ar against pyros.
dont like to spawn camp, i think thats rude as well, what i do it patrol the enemy base, but i move through there entire base whil doing it.
thats my personal code, nothin bad happen if someone doesnt folow it, but i can kick just about anyone but i want within those.
Ive only seen 2 stupid server side rules
scouts, spys, med not alowed defence: that other guy discused it
snipers not alowed to use anything but sniper rifle: they give em more than one weapon for a reason, when i "snipe" i use all the weapons. I love the nailgun on those sniper maps, the enemy even stays still enouph i can hit em, and they have trouble hiting me when i turn on the dodge skillz.
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infection is permanant, till it kills you are a freindly medic heals you.
If you weren't meant to put a turret in an enemies base it should have been coded in.
People should just learn to deal with it.
I dread the day NS becomes:
"OMG! YOU WENT ONOS AND YOU ATE OUR BASE! YOU ARE NOW BANNED!"
If you can't handle the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. =D
1. Shoot the other team.
2. Try to work with your team.
3. Hurl grenades like a madman.
And that's about it. I get accused of "chasing" all the time... but oddly enough, my team usually wins when I do that. Guess it must be lame, then.
Don't forget
4. Don't steal flags that your teammates have dropped
5. Try not to potshot and/or chase
Thats like saying in NS.
<ul>
<li>No climbing on walls, It's distracting
<li>No buildings Offense Chambers, they are obviously lame
<li>No building hives, you only start with one for a reason
<li>No teching
<li>No turrets
<li>No Onos, Fade, Lerk Or Gorge
<li>No Knifing
<li>No Jetpacks/HA
<li>No Shotguns
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People are so lame.
What is chasing ? Going after the guy who took your flag ?
I especially hate this.
When your teammate dies, PICK UP THE FLAG AND CAP IT. I don't care about your score, I care about team victory.
I remember some guy died almost on the cap point. I was right next to the flag, and right next to the cap point. Less than a second to cap the flag. We got guys in the enemy flagbase waiting on it to respawn so they can take it and we can cap AGAIN. So i grab it and cap it, then have to listen to him whining about not getting 10 points, even though my doing so ensured not one but TWO caps for our team...
Another time just the opposite, I had the flag but died really near the cap point. my teammate who was working with me just stood there. I say "WTH, take the flag and cap it" "olo no i'm gonna let u get ur credit u deserve it" "i don't care, cap the damn flag!!!"
stupid people :X
That's just the way the cookie crumbles nowadays. Most games, for any serious player is made of
Meh, everything Medhead said apparently.
which states the most useless drivel ever.
'if you dont speak english please dont play here'
good lord what kind opf cretins are running this server... you cant play here if you dont speak english..
fair enough if they said 'please speak english only here or risk k/b '
that is still harsh but alittle better...
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I can allmost understand that servers POV. NS is as many have stated before a game where teamwork is crucial. If you can't communicate with your teammates then the whole team will suffer. But I think that as long as you understand english then it doesn't matter that much if you can't speak or write well.
You shouldn't get kicked or asked to leave though untill you have proven that your lack of knowledge in a language is hampering the game.
Should you come up against such guys, just give them my E-Mail adress. I'm fresh out of sedatives and don't know where to aim my aggression... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Nem you are my hero. I would pay money to see you in a chat with that guy. Or better yet have that admin play in your server.
Bad Admin: YO N00bs Sieges ar for defense only!!
Nem 0 comes in: And you should not play ns.
Chasing is Team A offense pursuing Team B offense. According to the new rules of TFC, no offense may chase offense. It is Team A defense's responsibility to kill Team B offense.
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See what this is comming down too, we just cant have a good ol fun game anymore. Its like trying to play though a legal document lol. If you see a guy with your teams flag, Im gonna go after him. Thats the way its been down since before capture the flag was a PC game. As in where you played out side with your friends.
I was "chasing" when a I was guarding the flag in the base in 2fort as my fav class (engy), a medic comes down the elevator shaft, he throws all his concs at me, then a frag grenade. Then he grabbed the flag, out of concs he went up thru the main entry to the basement, At the doorway I had a dispenser in the dark corner where he couldnt see it. I hit my "detdispenser" key and he died, then screams "f**king chaser". and "voogru u f**king ****. Since when is it bad to defend the flag and kill the ***? Also I doubt this was chasing in anyway.
Then for "cap stealer".
Umm, my team mate dies becuase an engy killed him with spanner, leaves the flag, and I can see the flag. I go get it and cap it, then he screams "FLAG CAP STEALER!!!!!! KICK VOOGRU", then proceeds to do a kick vote, which fails. I just said Its a team game, so the team gets the score anyways.
This is prolly why I got into modding, was more fun to mod and do crazy stuff than to go thru the crap players give you when you do play.
2. No potshotting. Offense must never shoot at offense, even if passing right beside the enemy player (ala 2fort). What is even worse is if you turn around and shoot at their backs.
3. No yard defense. Your defense must stay in the base - no standing around outside. Even if the yard is 2 miles long, you must stand inside the base doors.
4. No infecting. Medics may not infect any enemy players. Even though it is a weapon coded by Valve.
5. No grenades near respawn. No grenades may be placed near respawn. Some servers allow a few, but most don't want any.
6. No sentry guns in enemy base. Sentry guns must never be placed in enemy base. This is just embarrassing for the players.
7. No scout, spy, or medic on defense. No scouts, spies, or medics are allowed on defense. Obviously, Valve forgot to enter that restriction. I mean, who needs scouts? It's not like they detect spies. Wait, they do. Well, spies on defense don't have a weapon that kills in one hit. Wait. They do. Well, medics aren't fast running healing machines. Wait. They are.
8. No chasing flag runner to enemy base. Once they leave your base, you can't chase them down any longer. Obviously working for the cap isn't expected.
9. No snipers. Ever. No snipers allowed. And if you do, don't dare use it in the yard.
10. No pyros. They just annoy. TFC is a serious 'sport' - we don't want any silly things in this game.
11. No shooting from battlements. No defense must shoot enemy offense who is traveling from base to base. I know a server that kicks/bans for this. Similar to rule 3.
12. Offense must not shoot enemy offense from outside of the base. Similar to rule 11 and 3, no offense is allowed to shoot at enemy defense until the offense member gets in the enemy base. Once again, this rule has resulted in kicks/bans.
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You guys itch and moan a LOT. I play in STA with clan [NHB], and while the league itself in general doesnt enforce these rules, clans do. Mainly its not about the game itself, its about common courtesy and trying to make the game as un-retarded as possible. For the most part you're guys comments on these rules are misinterpreted.
1) No chasing - Meaning don't go chasing the flag carrier back into his own base when he has the flag. Generally not league enforced, but lots of clans enforce it.
2) No potshotting - My clan is in Silver in STA, we don't potshot. We've heard a lot about top clans potshotting. We don't. Its again a matter of courtesy, we think there should be more skill involved in defending a flag than shooting the crap out of each other on the bridge. Let defense defend, let offense... offend?
3) No yard defense - Haven't heard this one, but in general your defense sucks if its out in the yard.
4) No infecting - I havent heard this rule, except maybe from admins
5) No grenades near respawn - This is to prevent demos and HW from tossing MIRVs at your spawn door. Once again, courtesy, and overall showing you arent a llama.
6) No sentry gun in enemy base - Our clan has a different variation, no sentry gun pointed at the spawn. Then again in league play this will probably never happen.
7) No scout, medic, spy on defense - This isn't a rule, but in general soldiers, demos, and HW make much better defense than these classes.
8) No chasing flag runner - Same as 1
9) No snipers - Snipers in general in league play suck, I have no complaint if an admin gets rid of them.
10) No pyros - Just annoy? Ive seen pyros better than most soldiers... right.
11) No defense shooting people in the yard - Its pretty much considered pot shotting.
12) No offense shooting defense outside - If their defense is outside take advantage of it, don't sit here moaning about it that you can't kill them.
when i played, it was blue versus red, thats the only rule. blue shoots reds he sees, wherever ont he map it is. how the heck can you tell me not to shoot at a badguy who is obviously going into my base for my flag? potshotting!?!? its called forward defense in my book.
no shooting at anyone or anything in the yard. whats the point of playing then?
it was my favorite to put a sentry on the enemy side, it would get dozens of their offense as they headed out, freeing up our defense to come forward and own the heck out of their team. its just how you play the game.
i cant even imaging how boring a "dont shoot a flagrunner" and "dont shoot offense v offense" and "no snipers or medics or pyros" why on earth would you play that game!! give me jp/hmg rush any day.
Imagine you are trying to guard an objective against the Iraqi's or somone.
US army intel guy: Sir intel suggests Iraqi spies may be headed this way, shall I stay here to screen them out?
Comm: No
US combat engineer: Comm shall I set up perimeter defenses?
Comm: HECK NO< jeeze only set up in our base!
US Sniper: Sir here they come, shall I engange?
Comm: No and y dont you just go home, stupid no skilled sniper.
US soldier guardng bridge: Sir they are taking the bridge shall I engage?
Comm: No let them pass. No hostilities on bridges, remember?
US soldiers guarding fort: They are at the gates shall we engage?
Comm: Are they IN the gates? I think not so hold your fire son.
US soldier: Sir the defenders are all dead but all I have is this offensive flame unit can I engage those enemy units guarding our only hope for escape?
Comm: Absolutly not! You son are on offense!
US medic: Comm everything is dead can I repair?
Comm: No. Thats cheap.
US Soldiers: Sir we just got wiped out by a third world country.
Comm: Cheer up son. We gave it a fair fight.
I never saw these rules in other CTF matches in Unreal or Quake but hey what ever works.
I dont really do the Clan match thingy. But thats my opinion and I respect yours too so dont think I hate you or something lol.
Made-up-rules-suck-****
The only rule I have in tfc is regarding the thin surface nail grenade exploit.
Everything else goes, and sometimes I go by the name DLC~Yard Shooter <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
That's the problem right there - it starts elitism. Clans think they're better than those evil "pubbers" because clans follow a 'higher order' of rules. It's crazy.
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Why would this be a problem? Do most clan members have troubles running backwards and shooting at the same time? Do they want us to print some "Get out of our base free" cards?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->2) No potshotting - My clan is in Silver in STA, we don't potshot. We've heard a lot about top clans potshotting. We don't. Its again a matter of courtesy, we think there should be more skill involved in defending a flag than shooting the crap out of each other on the bridge. Let defense defend, let offense... offend?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Let's make it easier for the defense, and take the enemy life down a notch or two. Do most clan members have trouble evading enemy fire?
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I guess you've never played as a HWGuy on mulch_trench. You can severely damage the enemy offense.
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I hear this whined about so often. The 'top' public servers all call you a llama for doing something so "evil."
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How'd the defense get in there? They died. But, I do agree that it's nice not to do it. It is a new rule, one which wasn't deemed unnacceptable beforehand.
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1. It's not that hard to kill a sentry gun. 2. If the gun can get up to level 3, something is wrong with the defense.
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Not really. Ever have a scout steal your flag? The medic can chase through the base long enough to pump a few shells into his back. A medic on defense makes a fine addition to any team.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->8) No chasing flag runner - Same as 1<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nothing is more satisfying than fragging an enemy right before he caps the flag. I can just see his confident smirk as he strolls up to the capping area - then BAM he's dead. Oh yes... oh yeesss...
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But what's wrong with using them? Nothing. Yet clans get labeled llama clans if they use them. Believe me, I've heard about it.
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Fact remains though, pyros get a lot of flak as a wasted class.
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Who cares, is what I say. Dodge my bullets then. Stop being such a wimp and only trying to be an offensive player when you get in the enemy base.
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You missed the point! In many servers, you're not allowed to shoot at each other! That's considered yard defense!
When I was on my recent 3-month stay in the US, I got so much abuse for playing as "Souris" on a couple of servers. I've probably mentioned it before in another thread somewhere but I still can't believe how dumb some people can be with their French-bashing.
This is the reason I quit my clan, and tfc.
On another note, before I quit tfc I was banned from 20+ servers for yardshooting and "chasing"
No mercy, my yard, my flag.
What exactly are you trying to say? or is this just flamebait?