Conscience
<div class="IPBDescription">semi-serious discussion</div> I miss a good discussion so...
I've been thinking about this conscience thing and I've come to conclusion that you have a bad conscience only if you are in danger of getting caught. I mean for example good thieves don't have a problem with their conscience because they know they are not going to get caught. On the other hand if you break something that belongs to someone else, you get a bad conscience because you know you are probably going to get punished. So basically peoples conscience is not a thing that says "You did bad, you should regret it and pay for your crime" but more like "You moron did bad, now you are going to get caught and punished. Quickly cover your tracks!"
Ehh, well discuss <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
PS. I know this isn't the new discussions forums but I think we can still have some conversations and even debates as long as they don't offend anyones beliefs/country. Though mods might want to stay close in case things start to get heavy.
I've been thinking about this conscience thing and I've come to conclusion that you have a bad conscience only if you are in danger of getting caught. I mean for example good thieves don't have a problem with their conscience because they know they are not going to get caught. On the other hand if you break something that belongs to someone else, you get a bad conscience because you know you are probably going to get punished. So basically peoples conscience is not a thing that says "You did bad, you should regret it and pay for your crime" but more like "You moron did bad, now you are going to get caught and punished. Quickly cover your tracks!"
Ehh, well discuss <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
PS. I know this isn't the new discussions forums but I think we can still have some conversations and even debates as long as they don't offend anyones beliefs/country. Though mods might want to stay close in case things start to get heavy.
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I think this is more off topic. I think what Monse (correct me if im wrong) ment was more about getting rid of all those politics/religion/imbetter then you debate type threads. I dont see anything wrong with this. This is more like that time travel thread.
He did?
*runs to check*
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Oh crap...RUN TO THE HILLS!
Well this isn't discussion, it's...offtopic?
*runs to the hills and hopes mods are slower*
Seriously though, I think Davis is right. Though I'm eagerly waiting what the High Moderator Council decides.
1.you go in to look your safe so you go to the jar open it quietly and get cookies then you get away clean and nobody knows any different...
do you now feel bad?
2, yu go in to look your safe so you go to the jar open it quietly and get cookies.. but the jar falls and smashes into lots of pieces on the floor... you run up to your room fast....
do you NOW feel bad?
"O.k, you got caught last time, so what makes you think you're not going to get caught this time idiot??"
And so you don't do it.
I'm not arguing with your point that concience is only bad, as that example kinda proves your point <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
For instance, if you've never, <i>ever</i> stolen anything in your life, and you just suddenly get an urge to steal, you might do it. If you do, you're either going to walk away thinking: "Gee, that was easy, guess I'll do that again sometime", or "Oh crap, I feel terrible about doing that, I'll never do it again". The second one would show your having a consience.
I prefer NS to this, but im SOOOO bored. Hope "the man" dont get me <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> rofl
I prefer NS to this, but im SOOOO bored. Hope "the man" dont get me <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> rofl <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's been proving that a high precentage of people around the world have remorse for causing physical harm to some one but only a small precentage feel bad about stealing something. Go figure.
Oh and the reason I quoted you is that remorse is a human emotion it's not a social thing like say morality.
If you want to go the evolutionary route, it makes perfect sense that a species that works together survives together. Sure, if Groog were to steal Oog's mammoth meat, then Groog might survive a bit longer, but what happens when everyone looks out for themselves and needs the rest of the herd/group/tribe to help take down that mammoth. So, the group that eats what is given to them and works together to eat again the next day lives in the end.
Survival of the fittest. Weak will fall preserving the strong ones. That sounds more logical to me, at least I've seen thousand times spider eat other spider and same species killing/taking advantage of their kind.
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I think you feel the later only if you still think you are going to get caught somehow. However, if you are in the middle of desert and you find 100dollars, do you feel bad taking them? Why not? Because there is no risk of getting caught.
People who are completely good and people are completely evil don't have trouble with their conscience. What they do they do with complete confidence and without guilt. Conscience only affects those who are a mix between good and evil. The struggle between good and evil produces the side effect called guilt.
Which makes you wonder.. if you strived to be completely good or completely evil.. you wouldn't have to ever feel guilty again.
It's not that you have no concience, it's that you don't mind slaughtering animals.
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If you do something "bad", and begin to worry about getting caught, that seems to me to be more like anxiety. You become worried that you'll get caught, but you don't really feel bad about it.
The "conscience", on the other hand, makes you feel bad regardless of how likely it is you're going to get caught. It more or less comes from a moral standard that is present in your life. You feel bad because something inside you knows that what you've done is "wrong".
If you were to do something bad, you might feel a little bit of both. But really, only the first increases in strength with a greater risk of getting caught.