Well played both sides, pretty entertaining demos, and I really can't wait to see how future games will work out when HLTV is fully operational.
It's pretty natural to look for reasons as to why you lost when you do, without that you wouldn't learn or improve. All the same, each team had the same time and chance to get their act together and there is a lot of preparation involved with putting together a new team in NS and getting them to gel - so the bottom line at the moment is simply that the EU had the edge in the game and for whatever reasons (given relatively stable connects and equal teams) - they won.
Yeah it was very fun being there last night <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Even if HLTV was broken the whole spirit was there in the TeamEU channel.
Was excellent work by TeamEU and good effort by TeamUS. Just loved it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin--Nomble+Jun 9 2003, 03:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nomble @ Jun 9 2003, 03:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hah "omg! no more making fun of EU" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> not only that but this is the first time us finns don't make fun of swedes <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
How come a matchthread, of a match that was played purely for fun can turn to such a bashing thread? Sheesh again, come on, its just for fun. This aint fun. Definetely not fun. If someone has a problem with some national team, gather a team of your own instead of whining about the team. The one who arranges it has to go through a lot of trouble and a lot of hard decisions picking players. If you cant appriciate that, do a team of your own, see which team is better and have the better team represent your country. (USA in this case). I dont know if the US team wasnt the best possible, but at least someone tried. Did the team. Played the match. Went through the trouble of arranging it. Thats a lot more than any of those whining about it did.
And yes, I recoqnize betatesting 1.1 as a disadvantage, actually that was what was going on in my head before match, an advantage to us since we're still used to 1.04 ( even tho some of us hadnt played in a while except a day or two before the match ). And ye I'm pretty sure we were much better prepared. Still. Its for fun. And we'll play many, MANY more matches and theres no telling what will happen.
Ye had to get that said.
Addition: Bosnian. In defense of both Travis and TeamUS, USA was forced to relocate right away since they're base got destroyed, and basically, they had to get IPs up as fast as possible. Thats why a narrow doorway. Travis didnt go to ambush them or rush them or whatever you meant because we wanted to wait (only me( gorge ) at hive and Travis) for the baserush group to flank them. If Travis had died there woulda been only a single gorge between Spawncamp. Now we got a 2 gorge 2 skulk flank rush and 1 skulk 1 gorge frontal rush to their fresh IP by waiting a bit.
This thread makes me sad <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Nice job Euro-team, better luck next time for US. Good games.
[QUOTE=ub3rbr0k3,Jun 8 2003, 11:10 PM] [QUOTE=boobs,Jun 8 2003, 07:53 PM] [QUOTE=ub3rbr0k3,Jun 8 2003, 09:38 PM] w00t! nice *EDIT* I see, USA had to put together a team where they rarely had a chance to practice with eachother. That is really a big handicap indeed. [/QUOTE]
After picking the final team, the EU guys only had 1 day to play/practise with each other, so the US werent the only ones with a 'handicap'.
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edited June 2003
Its strange that noone's noticed that the US teams really clearly outplayed the euro team. The US alien team was able to take and hold nodes and simultaneously deny the marines of nodes(before jetpacks), and went for a 2 hive alien win. The Euro alien team didn't really take nodes or pressure marine nodes, they went with more of a "we're losing terribly and have accomplished nothing, so lets all get together for a last ditch rush." US marines got a bit cocky and ended up going down once to the rush. The tanith US marine game where we "almost" lost to the alien rush was 100% my fault. I could've dropped jp/hmg's to our base guard and myself but when I got out of the chair I thought that I would have time to set up and we would easily stop the rush. Luckily we were able to save the comm chair and our previous dominance/map control provided us with the res to easily rebound and take them down. It could also easily be argued that if the Euros hadn't abused the satcomm vent that the aliens would've come out on top that game.
The point is, if you watch all four games, the US team generally held/denied nodes and outplayed the euros. The euros got one lucky rush off in a game they were obviously losing on caged to give them the alien win, and they were forced to drop jetpacks and run around for 5 minutes just so they could get enough nodes for hmgs(which is generally the reason that most US clans haven't seriously played 1.04 in 3-4 months). The point is, the US marine teams got a bit cocky and didn't take some necessary precautions which ended up in a loss(and an "almost loss") in games where they were clearly winning. If the Europeans are up for a rematch I think they'd see that we'd take them a bit more seriously and the results would be quite different.
Regardless, GG to the euros, i'm really not trying to insult them or take anything away from their victories, a win is a win, and at least one "top" US team has made a name for themselves almost exclusively doing the exact same last-ditch effort strategies. None of that kinda stuff will happen in 1.1 however, the better team will always win, you will have to dominate from the beginning and there won't be any cheap tech that can even the score if you've been losing all game.
<!--QuoteBegin--.torment. j+Jun 9 2003, 07:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (.torment. j @ Jun 9 2003, 07:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> After picking the final team, the EU guys only had 1 day to play/practise with each other, so the US werent the only ones with a 'handicap'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope I'm hearing this from a trustworthy source.
So bottom line....whoever set this thing up decided to pick a bunch of half-assed players (for whatever reason) to represent the USA. PFFT <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
No one answered my question though....how were teams picked? I certainly hope they were picked based on server ranking or some BS like that, and I hope they weren't simply picked out of a beta tester list as it sounds.
<!--QuoteBegin--HAMBOWN+Jun 9 2003, 07:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HAMBOWN @ Jun 9 2003, 07:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The euros got one lucky rush off in a game they were obviously losing.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hmm, but one can argue luck is part of skill. But was it really luck? or was it due to good amount of scouting? Correct me if I'm wrong, esp about scouting.
However I agree that USA did have a good amount of pressure on resource nodes thoroughout the map. I think I am safe to think, that if the version played was 1.1 USA would of had a better chance at winning (this is ONLY a personal speculation, I'm not trying to push this idea so PLEASE don't say "again, another poor-sport blah blah blah...") since v1.1 will have extremely heavy emphasis on resource management.
Despite you sending 3 marines to harass us at vent, I snuck off out to check for your res nodes, you had none, you hadn't made use of the time u bought your self. I don't count our rush as lucky, since we'd had it planned before after noticing your weak base defense from new zealand and korea demos, sorry but it just seems every US player and supporter is trying to find an excuse for losing rather than just saying well played u beat us.
Also anyone who says coz u have been playing 1.1 you're rusty, I don't see your point here at all, all you had to do was shoot aliens and bite marines, same as I'm sure you do in 1.1.
Again it seems like sore losing which is pretty disappointing.
Still I think it was a gg and we're lookin forward to a rematch.
HAMBOWN, what's to say it was luck? How many european games have <b>you</b> seen? I'm guessing zero. Understand this, different culture/soceity results in a different mindset, which is why you see tactics varying from country to country. US has a single mindset, whereas EU has multiple mindsets with different sets of tactics. This way, the teams are forced to improve upon themselves. Don't be so ignorant as to put it down to just "luck". It was discussed many times on the #teameu channel that your base defense was lacking from the korea/NZ demos. If teameu didn't use this blatantly obvious flaw, something would have been very wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin--.torment. g+Jun 9 2003, 07:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (.torment. g @ Jun 9 2003, 07:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> every US player and supporter is trying to find an excuse for losing rather than just saying well played u beat us. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks for generalizing. [/sarcasm]
*EDIT* oh, and another thing. I myself was sort of a team USA supporter myself, and if you read my past posts, they are rather critical of them. Now that I heard (*EDIT*from a definite source *EDIT*) that Euros also had lack in practice time, in my mind this game was 50-50. And the Europeans won fair and square.
I'm just trying to discuss why USA lost, and not whine about it, as if things could have been any different.
<!--QuoteBegin--ub3rbr0k3+Jun 9 2003, 10:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ub3rbr0k3 @ Jun 9 2003, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--.torment. j+Jun 9 2003, 07:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (.torment. j @ Jun 9 2003, 07:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> After picking the final team, the EU guys only had 1 day to play/practise with each other, so the US werent the only ones with a 'handicap'. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope I'm hearing this from a trustworthy source.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> damn right u are, i was one of the guys who had to help arrange pcws/tactics.
<!--QuoteBegin--.torment. j+Jun 9 2003, 08:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (.torment. j @ Jun 9 2003, 08:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--ub3rbr0k3+Jun 9 2003, 10:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ub3rbr0k3 @ Jun 9 2003, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--.torment. j+Jun 9 2003, 07:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (.torment. j @ Jun 9 2003, 07:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> After picking the final team, the EU guys only had 1 day to play/practise with each other, so the US werent the only ones with a 'handicap'. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope I'm hearing this from a trustworthy source.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> damn right u are, i was one of the guys who had to help arrange pcws/tactics. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Alrighty, thanks! *edits previous posts*
<!--QuoteBegin--HAMBOWN+Jun 9 2003, 10:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HAMBOWN @ Jun 9 2003, 10:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Its strange that noone's noticed that the US teams really clearly outplayed the euro team. The US alien team was able to take and hold nodes and simultaneously deny the marines of nodes(before jetpacks), and went for a 2 hive alien win. The Euro alien team didn't really take nodes or pressure marine nodes, they went with more of a "we're losing terribly and have accomplished nothing, so lets all get together for a last ditch rush." US marines got a bit cocky and ended up going down once to the rush. The tanith US marine game where we "almost" lost to the alien rush was 100% my fault. I could've dropped jp/hmg's to our base guard and myself but when I got out of the chair I thought that I would have time to set up and we would easily stop the rush. Luckily we were able to save the comm chair and our previous dominance/map control provided us with the res to easily rebound and take them down. It could also easily be argued that if the Euros hadn't abused the satcomm vent that the aliens would've come out on top that game.
The point is, if you watch all four games, the US team generally held/denied nodes and outplayed the euros. The euros got one lucky rush off in a game they were obviously losing on caged to give them the alien win, and they were forced to drop jetpacks and run around for 5 minutes just so they could get enough nodes for hmgs(which is generally the reason that most US clans haven't seriously played 1.04 in 3-4 months). The point is, the US marine teams got a bit cocky and didn't take some necessary precautions which ended up in a loss(and an "almost loss") in games where they were clearly winning. If the Europeans are up for a rematch I think they'd see that we'd take them a bit more seriously and the results would be quite different.
Regardless, GG to the euros, i'm really not trying to insult them or take anything away from their victories, a win is a win, and at least one "top" US team has made a name for themselves almost exclusively doing the exact same last-ditch effort strategies. None of that kinda stuff will happen in 1.1 however, the better team will always win, you will have to dominate from the beginning and there won't be any cheap tech that can even the score if you've been losing all game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> no **** im replying to that ^
I think I'm the best person to answer to any questions about our tactics or motives to do anything, considering I commanded both teams.
Our Caged marine was totally pwnage, never even sweated on that one. Once lost all ress but I didnt even try protecting them, just sold them, got jets, rebuilt, and kept on keeping as many aliens in hive as possible. Our marine strategy was based on keeping as many aliens in hive as possible and not even trying to go in. Once I ordered LMG marines in to hive, they died.. they were supposed to, I had JPs waiting.
Our caged alien was well planned, we have come to the conclusion that in 1.04 its VERY hard for aliens to win by taking 2 hives. Well managed and timed rushes are like... 50/50, either marines get to hive and spawncamp and base goes down or base goes down. Or then we just screw up. Anyway, we planned to rush lots and to do rushes at certain points of game with a certain amount of gorges from certain places to base. They were NOT paniced last try rushes.. our whole game based on holding on against a very agressive marine team (as we had watched your demos, we knew you go for hive with lmgs agressively) and then, after getting carapace, owning. So we took caged alien with a well planned and carefully timed attack.
Tanith alien. You played very differently than on caged, as we thought you wouldnt cap much ress, we didnt hunt enough ress and you had loads of ress up, we still went on with the regular tactic and rushed base. First one got screwed. Then came the 'paniced final rush' or whatever, as we went in with skulks right after. Goal to both divert you back to base so we can get ress and to take down base. Both worked. Too bad it was too late. Still, planned.
Tanith marine. Yes, you actually got us down to only base ress tower at one point. Yeah, you had a gorge and a couple of lerks in tanith. But its 1.04 and aliens cant win without taking the marine base unless marines really screw up.. so we didnt, even tho we had trouble with high pings as marine, as I presume, some of your players must have had on our server... just did jets and played control as usual. So we held the ress nodes for long enough before you took em down, got jets and then dominated the map. Notice: By the time we did the vent rush to Satellite (the great abuse) we had capped most the ress in the map and we could have just as well sieged from a hallway.
One thing I dont do and that is send in jetpackers to a hive full of gorges and lerks when I dont have to in order to win. I like to play safe.
I hope this clears out a bit of our motives.
Also, I intentionally cordinated our caged marine so that we went in to hive when USA moved out of hive with a gorge and a couple of lerks. Just as an example of how many things that may seem lucky or random are planned after all.
It might feel odd, but many things are intentional. We spent lots of time figuring tactics, so theres hardly any panic rushes. In either marine round I didnt at any point feel out of control as comm. Let the results speak for themselves. Was nearly 4-0 after all. Up to killing a couple of marines. Means dont matter, it was still close. Even if marine team has a 1000 ress, its no use if theres no one alive.
I disagree HAMBOWN, i didnt see euro aliens attempting to take any res, its not like you were denying them res nodes as the only time i saw gorges leave the hive was to rush youre base <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->, looked to me like from the start of each game their plan was to get carapace3 asap and rush marine start.
quote Flayra 'Ok no more making fun of the euro team, its official these guys are good.' :cheer:
To be honest though, i would have liked to see how the Euro team would have dealt with the fine US 4 man JP/HMG rush had they not been so intent on rushing marine start.
<!--QuoteBegin--T2k+Jun 9 2003, 08:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (T2k @ Jun 9 2003, 08:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cause you thinked you were the god, but thats not true. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> [incorrect] I found that rather offensive. Please refrain from using generalizing statements like that. [incorrect]
*EDIT over an EDIT* directed only at HAMBOWN.
*EDIT* (reply to Hippie) Thanks for that post. Cleared things up alot, and it seems my other post was right: teamEU clearly did have superior strategy over team USA
<!--QuoteBegin--ub3rbr0k3+Jun 9 2003, 11:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ub3rbr0k3 @ Jun 9 2003, 11:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--T2k+Jun 9 2003, 08:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (T2k @ Jun 9 2003, 08:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cause you thinked you were the god, but thats not true. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I found that rather offensive. Please refrain from using generalizing statements like that.
*EDIT* or was it directed only at HAMBOWN? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> only at hambown..
i say from now on we stop labeling the teams by their country, since it doesnt do anything but make the rest of the population angry for various reasons. just because 5 people are from a certain country doesnt mean that whole country is better than the other...
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It will be fun to see this international stuff go into 1.1.
It's pretty natural to look for reasons as to why you lost when you do, without that you wouldn't learn or improve. All the same, each team had the same time and chance to get their act together and there is a lot of preparation involved with putting together a new team in NS and getting them to gel - so the bottom line at the moment is simply that the EU had the edge in the game and for whatever reasons (given relatively stable connects and equal teams) - they won.
JayK.
Was excellent work by TeamEU and good effort by TeamUS. Just loved it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
not only that but this is the first time us finns don't make fun of swedes <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
sheesh...
How come a matchthread, of a match that was played purely for fun can turn to such a bashing thread?
Sheesh again, come on, its just for fun. This aint fun. Definetely not fun. If someone has a problem with some national team, gather a team of your own instead of whining about the team. The one who arranges it has to go through a lot of trouble and a lot of hard decisions picking players. If you cant appriciate that, do a team of your own, see which team is better and have the better team represent your country. (USA in this case). I dont know if the US team wasnt the best possible, but at least someone tried. Did the team. Played the match. Went through the trouble of arranging it. Thats a lot more than any of those whining about it did.
And yes, I recoqnize betatesting 1.1 as a disadvantage, actually that was what was going on in my head before match, an advantage to us since we're still used to 1.04 ( even tho some of us hadnt played in a while except a day or two before the match ). And ye I'm pretty sure we were much better prepared. Still. Its for fun. And we'll play many, MANY more matches and theres no telling what will happen.
Ye had to get that said.
Addition: Bosnian. In defense of both Travis and TeamUS, USA was forced to relocate right away since they're base got destroyed, and basically, they had to get IPs up as fast as possible. Thats why a narrow doorway. Travis didnt go to ambush them or rush them or whatever you meant because we wanted to wait (only me( gorge ) at hive and Travis) for the baserush group to flank them. If Travis had died there woulda been only a single gorge between Spawncamp. Now we got a 2 gorge 2 skulk flank rush and 1 skulk 1 gorge frontal rush to their fresh IP by waiting a bit.
-Tark
Nice job Euro-team, better luck next time for US. Good games.
*EDIT* I see, USA had to put together a team where they rarely had a chance to practice with eachother. That is really a big handicap indeed. [/QUOTE]
After picking the final team, the EU guys only had 1 day to play/practise with each other, so the US werent the only ones with a 'handicap'.
and whys my quote broken?
The point is, if you watch all four games, the US team generally held/denied nodes and outplayed the euros. The euros got one lucky rush off in a game they were obviously losing on caged to give them the alien win, and they were forced to drop jetpacks and run around for 5 minutes just so they could get enough nodes for hmgs(which is generally the reason that most US clans haven't seriously played 1.04 in 3-4 months). The point is, the US marine teams got a bit cocky and didn't take some necessary precautions which ended up in a loss(and an "almost loss") in games where they were clearly winning. If the Europeans are up for a rematch I think they'd see that we'd take them a bit more seriously and the results would be quite different.
Regardless, GG to the euros, i'm really not trying to insult them or take anything away from their victories, a win is a win, and at least one "top" US team has made a name for themselves almost exclusively doing the exact same last-ditch effort strategies. None of that kinda stuff will happen in 1.1 however, the better team will always win, you will have to dominate from the beginning and there won't be any cheap tech that can even the score if you've been losing all game.
I hope I'm hearing this from a trustworthy source.
No one answered my question though....how were teams picked? I certainly hope they were picked based on server ranking or some BS like that, and I hope they weren't simply picked out of a beta tester list as it sounds.
Hmm, but one can argue luck is part of skill. But was it really luck? or was it due to good amount of scouting? Correct me if I'm wrong, esp about scouting.
However I agree that USA did have a good amount of pressure on resource nodes thoroughout the map. I think I am safe to think, that if the version played was 1.1 USA would of had a better chance at winning (this is ONLY a personal speculation, I'm not trying to push this idea so PLEASE don't say "again, another poor-sport blah blah blah...") since v1.1 will have extremely heavy emphasis on resource management.
Despite you sending 3 marines to harass us at vent, I snuck off out to check for your res nodes, you had none, you hadn't made use of the time u bought your self. I don't count our rush as lucky, since we'd had it planned before after noticing your weak base defense from new zealand and korea demos, sorry but it just seems every US player and supporter is trying to find an excuse for losing rather than just saying well played u beat us.
Also anyone who says coz u have been playing 1.1 you're rusty, I don't see your point here at all, all you had to do was shoot aliens and bite marines, same as I'm sure you do in 1.1.
Again it seems like sore losing which is pretty disappointing.
Still I think it was a gg and we're lookin forward to a rematch.
Just admit it, you were beaten by a better team.
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Thanks for generalizing. [/sarcasm]
*EDIT* oh, and another thing. I myself was sort of a team USA supporter myself, and if you read my past posts, they are rather critical of them. Now that I heard (*EDIT*from a definite source *EDIT*) that Euros also had lack in practice time, in my mind this game was 50-50. And the Europeans won fair and square.
I'm just trying to discuss why USA lost, and not whine about it, as if things could have been any different.
(No offence to you that did play, but our team vs KOR > Team vs EU)
I hope I'm hearing this from a trustworthy source.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
damn right u are, i was one of the guys who had to help arrange pcws/tactics.
I hope I'm hearing this from a trustworthy source.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
damn right u are, i was one of the guys who had to help arrange pcws/tactics. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Alrighty, thanks! *edits previous posts*
The point is, if you watch all four games, the US team generally held/denied nodes and outplayed the euros. The euros got one lucky rush off in a game they were obviously losing on caged to give them the alien win, and they were forced to drop jetpacks and run around for 5 minutes just so they could get enough nodes for hmgs(which is generally the reason that most US clans haven't seriously played 1.04 in 3-4 months). The point is, the US marine teams got a bit cocky and didn't take some necessary precautions which ended up in a loss(and an "almost loss") in games where they were clearly winning. If the Europeans are up for a rematch I think they'd see that we'd take them a bit more seriously and the results would be quite different.
Regardless, GG to the euros, i'm really not trying to insult them or take anything away from their victories, a win is a win, and at least one "top" US team has made a name for themselves almost exclusively doing the exact same last-ditch effort strategies. None of that kinda stuff will happen in 1.1 however, the better team will always win, you will have to dominate from the beginning and there won't be any cheap tech that can even the score if you've been losing all game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
no **** im replying to that ^
Our Caged marine was totally pwnage, never even sweated on that one. Once lost all ress but I didnt even try protecting them, just sold them, got jets, rebuilt, and kept on keeping as many aliens in hive as possible. Our marine strategy was based on keeping as many aliens in hive as possible and not even trying to go in. Once I ordered LMG marines in to hive, they died.. they were supposed to, I had JPs waiting.
Our caged alien was well planned, we have come to the conclusion that in 1.04 its VERY hard for aliens to win by taking 2 hives. Well managed and timed rushes are like... 50/50, either marines get to hive and spawncamp and base goes down or base goes down. Or then we just screw up. Anyway, we planned to rush lots and to do rushes at certain points of game with a certain amount of gorges from certain places to base. They were NOT paniced last try rushes.. our whole game based on holding on against a very agressive marine team (as we had watched your demos, we knew you go for hive with lmgs agressively) and then, after getting carapace, owning. So we took caged alien with a well planned and carefully timed attack.
Tanith alien. You played very differently than on caged, as we thought you wouldnt cap much ress, we didnt hunt enough ress and you had loads of ress up, we still went on with the regular tactic and rushed base. First one got screwed. Then came the 'paniced final rush' or whatever, as we went in with skulks right after. Goal to both divert you back to base so we can get ress and to take down base. Both worked. Too bad it was too late. Still, planned.
Tanith marine. Yes, you actually got us down to only base ress tower at one point. Yeah, you had a gorge and a couple of lerks in tanith. But its 1.04 and aliens cant win without taking the marine base unless marines really screw up.. so we didnt, even tho we had trouble with high pings as marine, as I presume, some of your players must have had on our server... just did jets and played control as usual. So we held the ress nodes for long enough before you took em down, got jets and then dominated the map. Notice: By the time we did the vent rush to Satellite (the great abuse) we had capped most the ress in the map and we could have just as well sieged from a hallway.
One thing I dont do and that is send in jetpackers to a hive full of gorges and lerks when I dont have to in order to win. I like to play safe.
I hope this clears out a bit of our motives.
Also, I intentionally cordinated our caged marine so that we went in to hive when USA moved out of hive with a gorge and a couple of lerks. Just as an example of how many things that may seem lucky or random are planned after all.
It might feel odd, but many things are intentional. We spent lots of time figuring tactics, so theres hardly any panic rushes. In either marine round I didnt at any point feel out of control as comm. Let the results speak for themselves. Was nearly 4-0 after all. Up to killing a couple of marines. Means dont matter, it was still close. Even if marine team has a 1000 ress, its no use if theres no one alive.
-Tark
Americain loose because EU were better.
See all EU demos before say that was luck.
Why search for excuses ? Cause you thinked you were the god, but thats not true. Now you know there is always someone who is better.
Edit : repply for HAMBOWN.
quote Flayra 'Ok no more making fun of the euro team, its official these guys are good.' :cheer:
To be honest though, i would have liked to see how the Euro team would have dealt with the fine US 4 man JP/HMG rush had they not been so intent on rushing marine start.
GG both.
[incorrect] I found that rather offensive. Please refrain from using generalizing statements like that. [incorrect]
*EDIT over an EDIT* directed only at HAMBOWN.
*EDIT* (reply to Hippie) Thanks for that post. Cleared things up alot, and it seems my other post was right: teamEU clearly did have superior strategy over team USA
I found that rather offensive. Please refrain from using generalizing statements like that.
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only at hambown..