Well, in a thread saying no more "my $.02" I'm going to give mine. I live in america, and this is the internet, which by definition has more freedoms than my own country. Feel free to stop reading now, as I am going to state my opinion on this topic.
I read alot of forums posts. I spend about 6 hours a day on the forums, easily. Mostlikely I spend more forum hours than I spend school, or Mapping hours. I like talking/giving my opinion on things. I'll admit, I'm a moron. I have "tunnel thought" which means I can only see one section of something at a time, so I miss alot of other things, and don't think things through enough. I've been the generator of alot of stupid posts. I appologixe, here and now.
That being said, I'd like to point out that while I'm a moron, I'm also pretty good at generating ideas, and suggestions to things I have little information. Also, as a budding engineer, I've run into plenty of problems where it's taken the ideas/thoughts of "ignorant" people to help me solve this. Sometimes we get trapped by the box, and inorder to think outside it, and create a truly elegant solution, we occasionally have to forget there's a box there. The easiest way to do that, is simple ask someone who has little knowledge of your problem.
That being said, while it's tiresome reading the same threads over and over, I've found that sometimes someone has a novel idea that leads me off on other ideas, and could provide an elegant solution, which 1.1 is looking for. Don't disregard posts b/c peope are morons, or ignorant, or, "members". After reading the first 3 lines of a post I bet you can tell if it's worth reading ruther, if it's not, move on. If it is, read it, and then either give you're thoughts, or suggest the idea if you like it.. who knows, Flayra might use some of these ideas himself.
Also, I hate to say this, but this thread is quickly turning into a PT vs Member thread. I don't like that idea, not one bit. I love the PT's and they are doing a better job than I could. Thanks guys, just try to listen to the ideas of us Morons, and other members, ok?
<!--QuoteBegin--Incogn1t0+Jun 9 2003, 10:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Incogn1t0 @ Jun 9 2003, 10:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also would like to add that if you think that Flayra is not even listening to the ideas of people not entitles to play testing then why should you even care. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I beg to differ. Flay DOES read posts that are well worded, and coherent. Ask Grendel, he said so in the interview. Flay DOES listen. Maybe you should too. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Jun 9 2003, 05:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Jun 9 2003, 05:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh right so the veterans are nigh godly supermen who we poor ignorant peasents must avert our eyes from.
Ever stop to think that some of us might want to see 1.1 balanced? And hence when we hear accounts of marine bases falling like papier mache and oni running rampant we try to make a few suggestions to <b>help you guys out</b>. No, we're not playing the 1.1 builds. We ARE reading the 1.1 forums and changelogs, and when we see comments about imbalance some of us try to find a solution to the problem.
I'll agree that a post saying "OMG ONOS AT TEH ONE HIVE NERF TEH ALIENS GG NO RE!1!!!!!1111" is pointless, but a post saying "How about making the onos attack order: bite, devour, stomp, charge in order to promote teamwork and stop 1 hive oni from destroying entire marine teams by themselves" is constructive. Or would you think that players on the lowly forum rank of "members" are benieth your contempt? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah.. sorry Ryo.. Agkelos is a bit rash. I expect he'll me removed from Veteran status for unrelated events shortly. Don't think of him as the poster-child for Veterans.
On a related note, I've been enforcing a rigid 'no groupbased bashing' policy in the private forum, and if it's necessary, I'll extend it to the whole of the boards. If someone is a vet/PT/member and you feel this is the only point you can attack him or her by, odds are, it'd be better to shut up.
<!--QuoteBegin--Macguyvok+Jun 9 2003, 10:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Macguyvok @ Jun 9 2003, 10:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Incogn1t0+Jun 9 2003, 10:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Incogn1t0 @ Jun 9 2003, 10:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also would like to add that if you think that Flayra is not even listening to the ideas of people not entitles to play testing then why should you even care. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I beg to differ. Flay DOES read posts that are well worded, and coherent. Ask Grendel, he said so in the interview. Flay DOES listen. Maybe you should too. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I was refering to the people who are PTS and Veterans who do not think people without these tags get there voice in.
This kind of sickens me, just because we're not ""elite"" vets doesn't mean that our opinions should not be valued like yours.
100% of the suggestions that I make are based on what I see in 1.04, there is not a huge difference, the suggestions are for 1.1 from what we have seen. Same goal, different start.
Regardless of your original intentions, I see potential for this to become a flame war, ending off with that I will say no more on the topic in this thread.
I never meant to offend you. Fine, if you disagree with my oppinion, state it so. Why did you assume that I was a north american "jumped up clanner". I am from Panama, Panama.
Remember that I said you should, not that you HAD to. Its just my own advice. If you dont wanna take it, dont do so. But dont attack me because of my group sign. I may be a member, a veteran, or in pt group. It doesnt matter what I am, you read the advice anyway.
What I suggested was, why not make ONE Big thread where all your ideas would be neatly presented, well written, then Flayra could read them without having to browse through countless pages.
I am not elite. I breathe air, and eat food, I take shits, I take showers. I am a human just like you. The name that states my group doenst make me who I am, how I behave and react is what makes me.
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I read alot of forums posts. I spend about 6 hours a day on the forums, easily. Mostlikely I spend more forum hours than I spend school, or Mapping hours. I like talking/giving my opinion on things. I'll admit, I'm a moron. I have "tunnel thought" which means I can only see one section of something at a time, so I miss alot of other things, and don't think things through enough. I've been the generator of alot of stupid posts. I appologixe, here and now.
That being said, I'd like to point out that while I'm a moron, I'm also pretty good at generating ideas, and suggestions to things I have little information. Also, as a budding engineer, I've run into plenty of problems where it's taken the ideas/thoughts of "ignorant" people to help me solve this. Sometimes we get trapped by the box, and inorder to think outside it, and create a truly elegant solution, we occasionally have to forget there's a box there. The easiest way to do that, is simple ask someone who has little knowledge of your problem.
That being said, while it's tiresome reading the same threads over and over, I've found that sometimes someone has a novel idea that leads me off on other ideas, and could provide an elegant solution, which 1.1 is looking for. Don't disregard posts b/c peope are morons, or ignorant, or, "members". After reading the first 3 lines of a post I bet you can tell if it's worth reading ruther, if it's not, move on. If it is, read it, and then either give you're thoughts, or suggest the idea if you like it.. who knows, Flayra might use some of these ideas himself.
Also, I hate to say this, but this thread is quickly turning into a PT vs Member thread. I don't like that idea, not one bit. I love the PT's and they are doing a better job than I could. Thanks guys, just try to listen to the ideas of us Morons, and other members, ok?
I beg to differ. Flay DOES read posts that are well worded, and coherent. Ask Grendel, he said so in the interview. Flay DOES listen. Maybe you should too. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Ever stop to think that some of us might want to see 1.1 balanced? And hence when we hear accounts of marine bases falling like papier mache and oni running rampant we try to make a few suggestions to <b>help you guys out</b>. No, we're not playing the 1.1 builds. We ARE reading the 1.1 forums and changelogs, and when we see comments about imbalance some of us try to find a solution to the problem.
I'll agree that a post saying "OMG ONOS AT TEH ONE HIVE NERF TEH ALIENS GG NO RE!1!!!!!1111" is pointless, but a post saying "How about making the onos attack order: bite, devour, stomp, charge in order to promote teamwork and stop 1 hive oni from destroying entire marine teams by themselves" is constructive. Or would you think that players on the lowly forum rank of "members" are benieth your contempt? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah.. sorry Ryo.. Agkelos is a bit rash. I expect he'll me removed from Veteran status for unrelated events shortly. Don't think of him as the poster-child for Veterans.
I beg to differ. Flay DOES read posts that are well worded, and coherent. Ask Grendel, he said so in the interview. Flay DOES listen. Maybe you should too. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was refering to the people who are PTS and Veterans who do not think people without these tags get there voice in.
100% of the suggestions that I make are based on what I see in 1.04, there is not a huge difference, the suggestions are for 1.1 from what we have seen. Same goal, different start.
Regardless of your original intentions, I see potential for this to become a flame war, ending off with that I will say no more on the topic in this thread.
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I never meant to offend you. Fine, if you disagree with my oppinion, state it so. Why did you assume that I was a north american "jumped up clanner". I am from Panama, Panama.
Remember that I said you should, not that you HAD to. Its just my own advice. If you dont wanna take it, dont do so. But dont attack me because of my group sign. I may be a member, a veteran, or in pt group. It doesnt matter what I am, you read the advice anyway.
What I suggested was, why not make ONE Big thread where all your ideas would be neatly presented, well written, then Flayra could read them without having to browse through countless pages.
I am not elite. I breathe air, and eat food, I take shits, I take showers. I am a human just like you. The name that states my group doenst make me who I am, how I behave and react is what makes me.
We could call it the "Trash Bin" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
agreed