Energy Into Matter

laggerlagger Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1805Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Is it possible?</div> Hello everyone, I’m devising one of my crazy physics ideas and I would like to know if energy *something that has no mass* can morph into a mass.

My theory is as such, the world started out as *god* or a ball of an Ub3r cow like density ball that exploded going ie: big bang with an expansion velocity of C *or speed of light*. So, if the universe is expanding at the speed of light, the expansion or the sphere that is expanding ie: the explosion, is made out of energy *the dense ball which was once mass converted into energy when it hit the speed of light*. I believe that some parts of the expanding sphere energy convert into mass that is slowed down due to gravity after conversion by other converted mass. Now, with these basics are in mind everything seems to work out except a few things such as *WHAT IF ALL THE ENERGY THE MADE UP THE EXPANDING SPHERE RAN OUT?? After X amount turned into mass* HAHA! I thought of a solution, when a huge mass collapses itself it creates a black hole or tear in space which I believe leads outside the expanding sphere, when the sphere expands to the end of this black hole it recycles the mass/energy that was once converted way back when. This cycle creates an ever-lasting expansion in the universe. The only thing that seems to be out of place is how energy would convert into mass. I assume I could always say, “God does it” such as how I refer to “god” as the ignition to the big bang.

Also note, I believe the universe is going the speed of light because no mass/material would be able to catch up to it since its impossible to speed something up to the speed of light unless turned into pure energy. Since no person/place/thing would be able to catch up to the expansion they would not be able to go outside our universe which in my mind would **** things up if done (Or you could find a way to go through a black hole <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->.

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  • tbZBeAsttbZBeAst Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12755Members
    Although the original "big bang" (let's not get into semantiucs about whether it actually happened) may have exploded outward at close to C, I don't believe its still expanding at that rate, gravity having slowed the expansion immediately.

    As for energy into matter, I think quantum theory supposes that matter is made of discrete parcels of energy anyway.
  • Dirty_Harry_PotterDirty_Harry_Potter Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9500Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't believe its still expanding at that rate, gravity having slowed the expansion immediately.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->i saw i program on disvovery last night, there they said it was, surprisingly, speeding up.
  • MausMaus Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5599Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Dirty Harry Potter+Jun 9 2003, 05:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dirty Harry Potter @ Jun 9 2003, 05:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i saw i program on disvovery last night, there they said it was, surprisingly, speeding up. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Nah, it's one of the great unanswerables and so someone could say "surprisingly, it's going to curve like a banana" and get away with it. It's most commonly accepted that it'll either keep on expanding at a slower and slower rate or begin to collapse in on itself again.

    Though I much prefer the idea all the "harmonious universe" people have that there's exactly enough matter in the universe to slow the expansion to a complete halt, where it'll sit all nice and stable for eternity.

    ---

    What did they suggest was speeding it up? It seems to make no sense as I can't think of any significant forces acting on things other than gravity, which should slow things down.
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    Energy can turn into matter. thats what the e=mc^2 equation is all about.

    the particle at the begining of the big bang had loads of energy and as it exploded, this energy turned into mass.

    (well thats what the physisc teacher said anyway...)
  • SaltySalty Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6970Members
    “God <--- does anybody see a square with the letters od after it? I am at a computer lab so I dunno whats on this computer but I have no idea WTH this is. :/

    Some theories also suggest that the universe is not infinite. Its like the earth where if you just travel as far as you can you just appear at the same spot. Its like a sphear but 4 demensional.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Can anybody say something witty about tachyons?
  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    how about something witty about the Universal Equation? Yeah, once we find that out we *can* say that energy can be converted into matter. Oh yeah, when we figure out the Universal Equation, we'll rule the world, until we blow each other up.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Concerning the 'expansion' issue, it's honestly one big mess falling currently apart. Recent discoveries do indeed show that there was apparently a time when the universe expanded slower than it does right now, which messed quite nicely with a lot of our current astrophysics. Seeing that we're talking about a physical field that invents new kinds of matter with the frequency of an old mans visit to the toilet, I'm not surprised.
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    A variation of this topic drew alot of heat on the discussion boards, we talked about the free particle theory and using the unified feild for energy! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Look into the free particle theory youll find some interesting stuff. Like for instance free particles that occur now are not affected by their surroundings (not by gravity not by anything) however their yeild seems to be limited by an oriantation to other particles. If a free particle occurs in non space (the supposed vaccum before the big bang) it has limitless yeild, because it has no oriantation, and if you plot a point in space and expand it infinatley in all direction you get.. a sphere! woot!. hehe anyway the theory goes that the universe is the first free particle, not limited by anything because it had nothing to oriant itself against, and everything else occured within it. (also as free particles) I've only briefly looked into it, mostly because of the Kabalah but it definatly has some interesting things to it.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited June 2003
    I had a teacher once who described the expansion of the universe in a very cool way. He said that it already had collapsed on itself and expanded again and that this is just another repetetion of the expanding and collapsing process of the universe and it's a cycle of billions of years. And it keeps expanding and collapsing over and over like the heartbeat of God : ) I thought that was a cool way to describe it.

    As far as energy to matter goes I suppose it's possible to make solid energy by slowing down the process of moving atoms and particles to a degree where they become visable to the naked eye, I'm not sure how matter like it would be though. You know like condensation only for energy?
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    who are we to judge such activity? we are only earthlings; perhaps we are the smartest beings in the whole universe, but perhaps, other races, such as us, live on distant planets, know of our presence (or maybe not) and can explain mysteries we cannot explain. while we observe the universe's activity, some 4headed blue haired red-skinned bird might be explaining by telepathy and broadcasting much like our weather broadcast, the ever movements of the universe.


    Apart from that, I am still 15 years old so I don't get a word of what you're saying <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    Geordi explains it all:

    You see its all very simple physics, if the universe is expanding then by modifying the deflector shield and emitting pulses of tachyon radiation, we should be able to reverse the polarity. Whatever that means.
  • StakhanovStakhanov Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14448Members
    Energy <i>is</i> matter... the photon is supposed to have no mass , but it still has inertia and is under the influence of gravity. No mass but a weight... subtle thing.

    It happened during the very early stages of the universe and is still possible to obtain real matter from energy. In certain cases high energy photons split into pairs of particles (matter and antimatter)

    Converting matter into energy through annihilation releases unthinkable quantities of energy , so converting energy into matter won't bring much. Accelerators colliding photons with electrons (creates unstable , high energy photons) already gave detectable traces of positrons. You would need a good bunch of nuclear power plants to make a tiny hydrogen balloon...
  • laggerlagger Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1805Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Jun 9 2003, 07:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 9 2003, 07:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I had a teacher once who described the expansion of the universe in a very cool way. He said that it already had collapsed on itself and expanded again and that this is just another repetetion of the expanding and collapsing process of the universe and it's a cycle of billions of years. And it keeps expanding and collapsing over and over like the heartbeat of God : ) I thought that was a cool way to describe it.

    As far as energy to matter goes I suppose it's possible to make solid energy by slowing down the process of moving atoms and particles to a degree where they become visable to the naked eye, I'm not sure how matter like it would be though. You know like condensation only for energy? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    erm, i believe it has been proven that the universe is not going to collapse on itself although that was a theory held by many for awhile *this theory was invented on the basis that all explosions collapse on themselves*. Also, someone talked about how gravity would slow the energy expansion down! Ahh i thought about this for awhile but the solution is as follows- Pure energy has no mass, gravity cannot effect something with no mass *looks at gravity equation* the only way I can see my theory failing.. is if energy cannot spontaneusly turn into matter due.. in the expansion... or! if the realativistic mass is hightened when energy goes the speed of light. For Example: If i throw a baseball it will have more energy due to the throw, also going by e=mc^2 if it has gained energy it also must gain some mass which is refered to as realativistic mass. So if energy is going at the speed of light... does the reletavistic mass get pulled by gravity? *not sure about that one*. Although someone talked about the free particle theory which sounds very interesting.

    Ps: I though at one point the universe didnt just go the speed of light but accelerated at the speed of light, which aloud mass to go faster then the speed of light but not accelerate faster then the speed of light. I just happened to find out that it takes an infinite amount of force to speed something up to the speed of light *or the big bang in my mind* which kinda blew up this idea of accaleration <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->.
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    You are wrong, even though electromagnetic energy has no mass, it can be affected by gravity. Hence gravitational lensing effects on distant galaxies.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited June 2003
    There's a distinct difference between Newtons gravity and the universal force 'gravity' of the quantum physics. Just assume that Newton found a very cool way of simplifying a lot of things by introducing unchangeable mass into the equations, which is however not entirely correct. Think of it as a RL-physics engine exploit <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SaltySalty Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6970Members
    I hope this dosent get locked like the light one. God its sad when people flame when there whole argument is based on unproven theories.

    Yes we can creat mater from energy. According to E=mc^2, for every kilogram of mass you multiply it light's speed squared. 2.99792458 x 10^8 m/s = 8.987551787 x 10^16 joules to put that into perspective 5.46 x 10^13 Joules was equal to the bomb that droped on Hiroshima. So to creat 1 kilogram of mater your gonna need to convert that much friggin energy.
  • redeemed_darknessredeemed_darkness Join Date: 2003-01-21 Member: 12565Members
    You are all wrong earth is flat and is at the center of the universe
    “ignorance is bliss” <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • laggerlagger Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1805Members
    Well, i started my theory as a theory with hopes it wouldnt be shot down :/ obviously it just got nuked <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> *not sure why salty said i'm flaming*. Although, how are you going to put together that many joules into mass? does it just appear when the energy is bunched together? I mean... say you have 5times that much energy, does it just turn into mass when it gets into close proximity? what starts energy input into mass?
  • SaltySalty Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6970Members
    Thats the hard stuff, some come up with the theory that if you shoot a photon and hit another photon you creat matter and anti matter. I would have to check up on that though.
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