<!--QuoteBegin--Prof. Chaos+Jun 18 2003, 11:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Prof. Chaos @ Jun 18 2003, 11:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh, and nice name btw. Is it reference to James Joyce's <i>Ulysses</i> or the trojan war hero? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Although well-acquainted with both sources (I grew up on mythology and Ulysses rates as my 2nd fave Joyce book) my name comes from a song by Cream called "Tales Of Brave Ulysses". That song deals with Ulysses / Odysseus in a very wonderful manner. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Ah, you people who don't believe everything contains the potential for consciousness. I won't bother going into tome-length essays on quantum mechanics... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin--Prof. Chaos+Jun 17 2003, 11:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Prof. Chaos @ Jun 17 2003, 11:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--NoImagination+Jun 17 2003, 06:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NoImagination @ Jun 17 2003, 06:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, the OICW is two guns. But they really have two diffrent functions (grenade and bullet). Having two guns which both fire bullets would be a waste of space, unless you want to pump out the RoF (in which case I suggest a chaingun-design). For a pistol, it's hardly an issue. As for the stock, recoil control is only an issue when you fire with a high RoF. Most pistols does not fire very fast, as they are semi-automatic. If you want a pistol with a high RoF and a stock to control the recoil, you might as well make it a SMG, as it's more versatile and you've ruined the point of a pistol anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 1. The OICW's 20mm cannon fires shells/bullets, they just happen to be high explosive. You could theoretically use a 20mm slug in the gun, which is actually what they use for target practice. Two guns both firing bullets isn't a waste of space, as they both have a distinct function in a package that's easy to carry. Most pistol ammuntion cannot penetrate today's kevlar armor, with the exception of FN's 5.7mm system which looks like a scaled down rifle bullet. RoF is an issue with pistols, which is why Beretta makes the Model 93, a pistol complete with a small forward handle which can fire full auto. It can be seen used by John Travolta's character in the film "Broken Arrow" 2. Ever fired a gun before? Recoil control is not just a function of rate of fire, it's also a matter of calibre and power of the shot. (eg, a .44 magnum has a much higher recoil than a .22 pistol, and therefore requires more time to reacquire the target) If you were to place a large calibre chamber under the main barrel, the recoil would likely require a stock for any sort of accuracy past the first shot. A stock that is small, light, easily transportable, attachable and detachable, fits easily in your overhead compartment, etc would be a definite plus; it’s not a stock to be used all the time, just when you need it. A pistol with a secondary barrel is a concept that has been seen before, during the American Civil War, Confederate forces used the LeMat Pistol, which was a nine shot, .40 calibre pistol with a .60calibre shotgun chamber underneath, a serious bit of firepower. <a href='http://www.pride-net.com/1998/january/civilwar/lemats.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.pride-net.com/1998/january/civi...lwar/lemats.htm</a> Pistol stocks are not new to Sid's idea either; they've been used on various pistols for quite a while, though they’re no longer legal in the US. This page ( <a href='http://www.eskimo.com/~rayburn/woodsman/display/displaycase4b.html' target='_blank'>http://www.eskimo.com/~rayburn/woodsman/di...playcase4b.html</a> ) shows a combination shoulder stock/holster, which might be an idea for you to think about Sid. NoImagination, I would suggest you learn more about the way guns are made and work, before you criticize Sid’s ideas. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is the kind of stuff that I'm talking about! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Although well-acquainted with both sources (I grew up on mythology and Ulysses rates as my 2nd fave Joyce book) my name comes from a song by Cream called "Tales Of Brave Ulysses". That song deals with Ulysses / Odysseus in a very wonderful manner. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Ah, you people who don't believe everything contains the potential for consciousness. I won't bother going into tome-length essays on quantum mechanics... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
As for the stock, recoil control is only an issue when you fire with a high RoF. Most pistols does not fire very fast, as they are semi-automatic. If you want a pistol with a high RoF and a stock to control the recoil, you might as well make it a SMG, as it's more versatile and you've ruined the point of a pistol anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. The OICW's 20mm cannon fires shells/bullets, they just happen to be high explosive. You could theoretically use a 20mm slug in the gun, which is actually what they use for target practice. Two guns both firing bullets isn't a waste of space, as they both have a distinct function in a package that's easy to carry. Most pistol ammuntion cannot penetrate today's kevlar armor, with the exception of FN's 5.7mm system which looks like a scaled down rifle bullet. RoF is an issue with pistols, which is why Beretta makes the Model 93, a pistol complete with a small forward handle which can fire full auto. It can be seen used by John Travolta's character in the film "Broken Arrow"
2. Ever fired a gun before? Recoil control is not just a function of rate of fire, it's also a matter of calibre and power of the shot. (eg, a .44 magnum has a much higher recoil than a .22 pistol, and therefore requires more time to reacquire the target) If you were to place a large calibre chamber under the main barrel, the recoil would likely require a stock for any sort of accuracy past the first shot. A stock that is small, light, easily transportable, attachable and detachable, fits easily in your overhead compartment, etc would be a definite plus; it’s not a stock to be used all the time, just when you need it. A pistol with a secondary barrel is a concept that has been seen before, during the American Civil War, Confederate forces used the LeMat Pistol, which was a nine shot, .40 calibre pistol with a .60calibre shotgun chamber underneath, a serious bit of firepower. <a href='http://www.pride-net.com/1998/january/civilwar/lemats.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.pride-net.com/1998/january/civi...lwar/lemats.htm</a> Pistol stocks are not new to Sid's idea either; they've been used on various pistols for quite a while, though they’re no longer legal in the US. This page ( <a href='http://www.eskimo.com/~rayburn/woodsman/display/displaycase4b.html' target='_blank'>http://www.eskimo.com/~rayburn/woodsman/di...playcase4b.html</a> ) shows a combination shoulder stock/holster, which might be an idea for you to think about Sid. NoImagination, I would suggest you learn more about the way guns are made and work, before you criticize Sid’s ideas. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is the kind of stuff that I'm talking about! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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