Inhibitational Device Debacle

LemurZoboomafooLemurZoboomafoo Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8131Members
<div class="IPBDescription">What do you think?</div> New commercials on TV say that one in three drivers pulled over for reckless driving tested positive for marijuana, and implies thaat people drive high and get in accidents because of it. What they don't tell you is that you can test positive for marijuana around 45 days after you last smoked it.

I'd say that for every one person marijuana has a hand in the death of, about ten thousand people will die as a result of things alcohol is a part of. How come I never see any commercials to promote responsible drinking?

"Marijuana, it's more dangerous than we all thought."

Well great, keep the kids off weed, then out the door and booze em up so they can go run people over, laugh, puke, then run some more people over, screaming and punching? I mean, it's a lot less dangerous to poison and choke your liver and brain than it is to calm and relax your muscles, right? That's what the US government as well as bits and pieces of others believe.

Marijuana? A drug? That's strange thinking. Meth is created in factories, even if they're as unprofessional as a frying pan and some bottles from the Quik-E-Mart. Beer and liquors have massive factories known as breweries that produce their product over several years. Hemp is a plant that grows naturally in the ground.

Everyone's heard of alcohol poisoning, right? Well you can rest assured nobody has ever heard of weed poisoning, because it doesn't exist. You can smoke till you're blue in the face and feel just fine when you wake up. There is no such thing as overdosing on weed, you just fall asleep and have a great night's rest. Drink enough alcohol and you get stupid, make extremely regrettable decisions, and hurt others. When the alcohol finally makes you pass out, you wake up feeling like sh** with a hangover, which is what it feels like when your brain and body are in pain from poisoning.

Can someone tell me why the restriction on marijuana is so great while there are cafe's known as bars that serve nothing but alcohol?

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  • SpceM0nkeySpceM0nkey Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12480Members
    I do believe alcohol is more dangerous to mary j when driving.

    That said i dont drive high, and i dont drive drunk.

    I personally believe marjiuana is a very "tame" drug, and i would prefer it decriminalised and tabacco and alcohol banned.
  • BadKarmaBadKarma The Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7 Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8260Members
    Man, we already tried banning alchohol remember? Didnt work too good man.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Lemur|Zoboomafoo+Jun 12 2003, 06:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lemur|Zoboomafoo @ Jun 12 2003, 06:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What they don't tell you is that you can test positive for marijuana around 45 days after you last smoked it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Err.. more like 6 Months.
  • WindelkronWindelkron Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Members
    Tax revenues, inter-elite relationships, protection of established industries, and a desire to deny bohemians what they want.
  • LemurZoboomafooLemurZoboomafoo Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8131Members
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Liku+Jun 12 2003, 09:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Jun 12 2003, 09:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Lemur|Zoboomafoo+Jun 12 2003, 06:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lemur|Zoboomafoo @ Jun 12 2003, 06:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What they don't tell you is that you can test positive for marijuana around 45 days after you last smoked it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Err.. more like 6 Months. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Nah, the effects can last about six months after you quit from REGULAR smoking, as in, every day or so. Effects like poor short term memory.

    Edit: Forgot to say that what I said earlier is still true.
  • ConfuzorConfuzor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2412Awaiting Authorization
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Man, we already tried banning alchohol remember? Didnt work too good man. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Helped boost the economy up north with Canadian rum-runners. We were your salvation in times of savage drought...
  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Lemur|Zoboomafoo+Jun 12 2003, 09:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lemur|Zoboomafoo @ Jun 12 2003, 09:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> on TV say that one in three drivers pulled over for reckless driving tested positive for marijuana, and implies thaat people drive high and get in accidents because of it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Weed can impair your judgment to some extent. ive seen some pretty stoned people and belive me i would not want tthem to drive a car.

    True the THC stays in your body for 45 days, but they are just trying to hype it up like anyother debate.
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    So a friend of mine was out having dinner before prom. She was in the back seat with her date, the couple they were with were up front. When lo and behold, someone runs a red light, hitting their car, throwing my friend out of the car, killing her instantly. Guess what? He was drinking. He was driving on a suspended license for other charges, and had numerous previous problems with his car. GG american legal system, you killed a perfectly innocent friend of mine. I don't care if its alcohol, or mary jane, it needs banned, and offenders need more than a f*cking slap on the wrist. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • LemurZoboomafooLemurZoboomafoo Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8131Members
    Easy solution is to legalize weed and delegalize or engage extreme strictness on responsible drinking.

    If you're too stoned you KNOW what you can and can't do. And you're in total control. Drinking = 100mph where smoking = 20mph.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>
    New commercials on TV say that one in three drivers pulled over for reckless driving tested positive for marijuana, and implies thaat people drive high and get in accidents because of it.  What they don't tell you is that you can test positive for marijuana around 45 days after you last smoked it.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    How are the police officers supposed to know when the suspect smoked? The fact is, there is a good chance that if they did it once, they'll do it again.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>
    I'd say that for every one person marijuana has a hand in the death of, about ten thousand people will die as a result of things alcohol is a part of.  How come I never see any commercials to promote responsible drinking?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--></b>

    Are you kidding me? In my area, there are multiple commercials for drunk driving prevention - some made by the very companies selling the beer!

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>
    "Marijuana, it's more dangerous than we all thought."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--></b>

    Well, it <b>is.</b> It <b>does</b> impair judgement. It <b>does</b> impair rational thought.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>
    Well great, keep the kids off weed, then out the door and booze em up so they can go run people over, laugh, puke, then run some more people over, screaming and punching?  I mean, it's a lot less dangerous to poison and choke your liver and brain than it is to calm and relax your muscles, right?  That's what the US government as well as bits and pieces of others believe.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--></b>

    Rationalizing the use of marijauna doesn't mean it's right. I don't think alchohol is good either, but I certainly don't think that those who consider marijuana use think it's okay to run over children with cars.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>
    Marijuana?  A drug?  That's strange thinking.  Meth is created in factories, even if they're as unprofessional as a frying pan and some bottles from the Quik-E-Mart.  Beer and liquors have massive factories known as breweries that produce their product over several years.  Hemp is a plant that grows naturally in the ground.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--></b>

    Oh, yes, of course. Since it's natural, it can't possibly hurt you!

    Hey, here's a thought. Go chew on some poison ivy.

    Fact remains, just because it's natural doesn't mean it's not a drug.

    n.

    1.
    a. A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.
    b. Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
    <b>2. A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction. </b>

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>
    Everyone's heard of alcohol poisoning, right?  Well you can rest assured nobody has ever heard of weed poisoning, because it doesn't exist.  You can smoke till you're blue in the face and feel just fine when you wake up.  There is no such thing as overdosing on weed, you just fall asleep and have a great night's rest.  Drink enough alcohol and you get stupid, make extremely regrettable decisions, and hurt others.  When the alcohol finally makes you pass out, you wake up feeling like sh** with a hangover, which is what it feels like when your brain and body are in pain from poisoning.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--></b>

    Wrong. The more one smokes marijuana, the more toxic buildup in the brain.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>
    Can someone tell me why the restriction on marijuana is so great while there are cafe's known as bars that serve nothing but alcohol?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah, sure. That's easy. Marijuana is illegal. Alcohol is not.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Lemur|Zoboomafoo+Jun 12 2003, 09:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lemur|Zoboomafoo @ Jun 12 2003, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Easy solution is to legalize weed and delegalize or engage extreme strictness on responsible drinking.

    If you're too stoned you KNOW what you can and can't do. And you're in total control. Drinking = 100mph where smoking = 20mph. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Perhaps legalizing marijuana is the correct method. I don't especially care, because I find it morally wrong and totally idiotic to use in the first place. The average person has no need for the stuff.

    You are wrong again though, on what 'stoned' users think they can do. Tests have shown that people who take marijuana are overconfident, while their actual performance is actually inferior.

    Besides, driving 20 mph on a 40 mph road can cause just as many accidents as those who drive 70. Stop trying to rationalize an illegal drug.
  • ConfuzorConfuzor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2412Awaiting Authorization
    <!--QuoteBegin--MedHead+Jun 12 2003, 08:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 12 2003, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Yeah, sure. That's easy. Marijuana is illegal. Alcohol is not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I take it that you are also against alcohol?

    I wouldn't mine if alcohol was gone myself; my brain can go insane naturally, and that one taste of real wine for communion at church, bleh. I'd go with Welch's anyday.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Confuzor+Jun 12 2003, 10:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Confuzor @ Jun 12 2003, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MedHead+Jun 12 2003, 08:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 12 2003, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Yeah, sure. That's easy. Marijuana is illegal. Alcohol is not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I take it that you are also against alcohol?

    I wouldn't mine if alcohol was gone myself; my brain can go insane naturally, and that one taste of real wine for communion at church, bleh. I'd go with Welch's anyday. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't plan on drinking. Getting drunk is wrong. Always. I go so far for myself that drinking alchohol and <b>not</b> getting drunk is also unnecessary.

    It has been shown that wine can calm an upset stomach. However, so can Pepto Bismol. Rotten grapes, or bubblegum. Hmm. Questions.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited June 2003
    Oh god I've driven baked out of my skull before, and I can tell you this is utter garbage, if anything it makes you a more cautious driver.

    This is just another we can't come up with a valid reason for pot to be illegal so we'll dramatize a situation and try to pass it off as logical reasoning.

    What those comercials don't tell you is if those drivers tested for anything else than marijuna, sure if the guy was smoking a J snorting coke and drinking a quart of whiskey he's going to get into an accident and theres going to be marijuna in his system, did he crash because of it, that's doubtful.


    PS: Even habitual use of marijuna's about as harmful as a pile of puppies.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Jun 12 2003, 10:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 12 2003, 10:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh *** I've driven baked out of my skull before, and I can tell you this is utter garbage, if anything it makes you a more cautious driver. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And you know this because...? Did your other drugged up friends tell you this? How can you conduct a study when you are in an altered mental state?
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited June 2003
    Whatever your hang up on weed is I don't really care, I know plenty of succesful people who live fully productive lives that smoke on a regular basis.

    I'll take personal experience over your stern logic based on made up statistics any day.

    As far as reckless driving goes talking on your cellphone is the equvilant to being drunk according to some of those same studies, so it shows just how easily distracted the people they study are. I for one don't drive like a jackass sober or stoned.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Jun 12 2003, 10:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 12 2003, 10:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whatever your hang up on weed is I don't really care, I know plenty of succesful people who live fully productive lives that smoke on a regular basis.

    I'll take personal experience over your stern logic based on made up statistics any day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Okay okay okay, I get it. So if a crazy person doesn't think they're crazy, the studies proving that they are, in fact, loopy, are null and void!

    I also never gave any statistics. I refrained from using any numerical value for my findings. As you know, 42.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

    However, just because you don't like my findings, doesn't mean that they aren't true. Perhaps you should join the smokers dying of cancer who still don't believe that their addiction is the cause of their predicament?
  • Spyder_MonkeySpyder_Monkey Vampire-Ninja-Monkey Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 8Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
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