Server Nomenclature Proposal

Roobubba · June 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">'NS 1.05'</div> *Updated*

I hereby propose that servers running the following metamod plugins (this list may be amended at a later date) be titled 'NS 1.05' servers. No other servers should use this label, for the sake of consistency.

No Leap Exploit (hullu)
Umbra Spawn ([WHO]Them)
Hive Heal Fix ([WHO]Them)
Unstuck Pro (hullu)

The importance of nomenclature and consistency thereof within the NS server admin community is paramount, hence my proposal that inclusion of these specific plugins in combination should constitute the new label 'NS 1.05'

There are plenty of other plugins, all of them excellent and many many thanks to the makers (all of you) who make this community what it is. This proposal is not about saying that certain plugins are better than others, instead it is about defining the parameters for a new sub-version of NS that is along the lines of 1.1.

Thanks to DarkFrost for giving me the idea of proposing this as a more formal entity, given his (vastly more original) thread <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=34901' target='_blank'>Here</a>.

Please feel free to pooh-pooh my idea, but do offer constructive comments as to why or why not <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Roo

EDITED SEE 2nd PAGE AT THE BOTTOM!!!

DarkFrost · June 2003

Thanks for taking my idea further.
Its good that (at least one) server ops are taking this initiative, these mods are possibly what will hold the NS comunity together.

Spawncamping is still possible, only more difficult (you need at least 3 men in there constantly to achive it)

JP-HMG rushing is still a viable tactic, although it requires more skill to pull off ( a lot of fuel conserving jump pressing, much like flying a lerk without adren)
so the tactics are still there, just "refreshed", now if we can get clan base to acknowledge these mods as fairplay, clan games outcomes will be more ramdom, rather than the better clan wins (the marine side) because they can JP for infinity.

A question to [WHO]Them, is it just a combo of hive umbra and umbra spawn that crashes the linux servers, or does it happen with one or the other also?

Also if someone can get these mods compiled together, stuck in a self extractor, and plonked on the DL section of the NS main page enitled "1.05 server side patch" i think the comunity would be eternaly grateful. (eternity being the time from now until they are yet again eternaly gratefull when 1.1 is released <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>)

Roobubba · June 2003

I was thinking about compiling them to a self extractor, but you'd have to also include metamod too. Most of the server ops who read this forum are quite adept at installing plugins, so in the short term (until 1.1) it'll probably be easier just to define the framework.

This is only a suggestion, but if everyone can agree on one thing, we can move forward and make this more "official" (ie supported by server ops).

One problem I can see is new server ops saying "Where can I download 1.05 from". For that we need a thread here to say exactly what 1.05 IS and where to get it from (from that point of view a compilation of all the metamod plugins alone would be very useful...)

Roo

EDIT Whoa stickeh! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Roobubba · June 2003

Sorry I would have included this in an edit, but it's not connected in that way:

I will alert people in general discussion of this thread once some more feedback has come back from server ops (ie when the US wakes up!).

Roo

DarkFrost · June 2003

Ok then:

Hive Heal is <a href='http://forums.modns.org/viewtopic.php?t=192' target='_blank'>here</a>

Umbra spawn is <a href='http://forums.modns.org/viewtopic.php?t=186' target='_blank'>here</a>

Jet pack fix is <a href='http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=76903&release_id=164268' target='_blank'>here</a>

No leap exploit is <a href='http://forums.modns.org/viewtopic.php?t=113' target='_blank'>here</a>
and
Unstuck pro is <a href='http://forums.modns.org/viewtopic.php?t=10' target='_blank'>here</a>

have fun in NS 1.05 <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

*edit for more direct links*

Ah_forget_it · June 2003

Great we have some of them on the TW@ server but the rest of these are going on.

GJ guys.

Kar-aK · June 2003

Sounds like a great idea roob, nice work.
We'll add them to the #hyriduk server as soon as it's sorted.

- Kar

DEADscott · June 2003

DEADCLAN'S GRAVEYARD is now 1.05

Crash · June 2003

If JetPackNerf is going to be used, what settings should be used?

DEADscott · June 2003

Just leave it at default. No need for server cavars. Defaults are 550 discharge, 150 recharge

DarkFrost · June 2003

yeah the default setting is nice, i have 100fps usually and i get maybe 2 seconds max air time (thats if i dont want to land safely <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>) unless i conserve fuel by tapping jump, then i can fly, very irratically, for ages, but not indefinately.

Bry · June 2003

Well mys erver coudl be said to be a 1.055 as its got a medpacka rmoury and lerklift running also so for consitency ill jsut leave it as custom server for now

Roobubba · June 2003

That's the point, Bry. My server has a couple of other plugins running, but I feel it is these specific plugins that should contribute to the status of NS 1.05. If your server has all of the above, I'd suggest that you could name it
NS 1.05 *Custom*

What do others think?

Niteowl · June 2003

it's a great idea <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

altho, i've used the following name on my server
"[OldF] Over Medicated 1.1 Simulated CD REQ"

having 1.1 Simulated got me lots of gamers. it's more intuitive. no need to read any forums or somesuch. and then in the motd describes the changes.

perhaps i'll get 1.05 in there somewhere..

"[OldF] Over Medicated 1.04 in reality, but 1.05, which is much like 1.1 Simulated CD REQ"

heheh <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> jk!

"[OldF] Over Medicated 1.05 (1.1 Simulated) CD REQ"
perhaps <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

thanks for the idea <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

CheesyPeteza · June 2003

I propose (1.05ish) small and to the point. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Really could do with a server cvar that people can search for through ASE etc.

Bry · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roobubba @ Jun 13 2003, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> That's the point, Bry. My server has a couple of other plugins running, but I feel it is these specific plugins that should contribute to the status of NS 1.05. If your server has all of the above, I'd suggest that you could name it
NS 1.05 *Custom*

What do others think?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I agree with that

Lightning_Blue · June 2003

Excellent.

However, I am unable to run these two plugins right now due to stability issues <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

Umbra Spawn
Hive Heal Fix

My linux server was crashing every map <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Them is working on it.

cracker_jackmac · June 2003

When Them fixes his plugin's i will be updating...Though, i have a problem with the name 1.05...As this isn't offically condoned by the devs...maybe 1.04+ or 1.04FIXED or something?

Mart · June 2003

I agree that the name 1.05 is a little, if not a lot misleading...

1.04+ or 1.04Fix Sound fine though.

CheesyPeteza · June 2003

1.04+ sounds good to me too.

Plus I'm running all those plugins fine on Linux except for when I unload/load them, which is pretty rare, so just try it. Don't assume it doesn't work for Linux cos some people are having trouble.

JoeBlow · June 2003

Great idea, my server's 1.05 now. I think its good to get a "standard" mod group like this so people can have a better chance than trail and error to find a server with good plugins.

[WHO]Them · June 2003

I'm very sorry for the linux admins running one of my umbra plugins. I'm still working on it. In the meantime all I can advise is that you NEVER load the plugin any other time than server start within plugins.ini . It seems that loading it from the command line is sure death

hopefully I'll find some kind of breakthrough today. And if any other MM coder is monitoring this thread. I won't feel like you're "stepping on my toes" if you find a fix and release it.

The problem is definetly in making the umbra itself.

cracker_jackmac · June 2003

I see some servers are still 1.05 and some are 1.04+ or 1.04Fixed. It would be nice to have a universal scheme..Can we decide on one plz?

Them, don't fret about the plugin...you'll figure it out sooner or later

clamatius · June 2003

This is a fantastic idea.

However, I agree that 1.05 is a bit misleading - we don't want to steal Flayra's thunder, after all.

Boneless · June 2003

/me votes for the 1.04Fixed name <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'>

[WHO]Them · June 2003

ok guys, I don't have a true fix for the problem. But I've altered the plugin so that it should work.

I made the umbra creation a little less "crash happy" and made the plugins only loadable/unloadable at server start. I know this is a pain in the butt for some of you. But I honestly have no idea why the hell this umbra creation works when the plugin is loaded at server start but refuses to work when loaded any other time.

<a href='http://them.clanwho.com/downloads/UmbraSpawn_v1.01.zip' target='_blank'>http://them.clanwho.com/downloads/UmbraSpawn_v1.01.zip</a>
<a href='http://them.clanwho.com/downloads/HiveUmbra_v1.01.zip' target='_blank'>http://them.clanwho.com/downloads/HiveUmbra_v1.01.zip</a>

Roobubba · June 2003

----removed, this was far too confusing, even to me and I wrote it!----

Racer1 · June 2003

Ick, this is getting nasty. After reading this thread, I am a little confused - and I think most regular players will be if they various ns servers with 1.04a, 1.04+, 1.04Fixed, 1.05, 1.04 *Custom*, etc. in their name.

I realise that this is mostly a server op concensus for this set of patches, but could an ns dev or other ns authority make some kind of decision as to the naming scheme. If not, could someone with authority to create a time-limited poll do so? Also, the issue of the jetpack nerf should be resolved as well.

Vadakill · June 2003

I think someone should create an extra plugin or incorporate into a current plugin that checks for the other required plugins. i.e. If all of the plugins are installed and running then it changes the mp_version to "1.05 Unofficial" You need something in there so people know this is not an officially sanctioned version of NS.

Roobubba · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vadakill @ Jun 13 2003, 03:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I think someone should create an extra plugin or incorporate into a current plugin that checks for the other required plugins. i.e. If all of the plugins are installed and running then it changes the mp_version to "1.05 Unofficial" You need something in there so people know this is not an officially sanctioned version of NS.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
YES this is absolutely IT.

Can someone get coding on this?

I propose that the plugins required for '1.05 Unofficial' status should be:

Unstuck
No Leap Exploit
Umbra Spawn (once fixed)
Hive Heal

I'm no coder though so I can't get on and do this myself.

Great idea vada

DEADscott · June 2003

We run all the required [hehehe] 1.5 plugins plus Armory Heal, New Lerk Lift and Marine Bleed. Just like a server running 1.4 with plugins is still called 1.4. Since I have the required plugins, our server is called 1.5. We have to keep this simple. As long as you run the required plugins your server should be named 1.5 no matter what else you run. Its important enough to say twice......we must keep this simple. As for the JP plugin at first all our players hated it, now it been running for 4 days and most of our regulars wouldnt have it any other way. There a still a few that say they hate it, but the play there every day. I point out that they are closer to the way jet packs will be in 1.1 and thats good enough for most.

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