P2p Hipsters Make Valiant Anti-riaa Effort!
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<div class="IPBDescription">Did I say valiant? I meant ridiculous.</div> (from The Register - <a href='http://www.theregister.com/content/6/31646.html' target='_blank'>http://www.theregister.com/content/6/31646.html</a> )
Somehow I don't think this is going to go anywhere... but maybe that's my pessimistic side. I do like to see you crazy teens actually getting behind a cause, even if it's a cause like theft. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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By Ashlee Vance in Chicago
Posted: 09/07/2003 at 17:03 GMT
The thunderous grunt let out two weeks ago by the RIAA has served as a call to arms. P2P advocates are ready to prove the technology has merits that outweigh the music labels' self-serving concerns.
As the pigopolists' lobby group, the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America), prepares to sue thousands of individuals, organizations such as Boycott-RIAA.com, the EFF and P2P company Grokster have mapped out a course of action to try and convince the U.S. government that P2P is here to stay. Starting August 1, music lovers and technology fans alike are to begin bombarding Congress by phone and fax, expressing their P2P love. The following day consumers are encouraged to hold CD burning parties, hand out flyers and generally educate Joe public about P2P technology.
This kind of grass roots action is being backed up by Grokster and Sharman Networks - the Kazaa distributor - which are creating trade groups to lobby Congress.
The overwhelming number of e-mails received by The Register in the last two weeks in support of a music label boycott confirms that consumers and technology fans are at wits end with the RIAA's behavior.
"I emailed the RIAA through the contact form on their Web site, telling them how frustrated I was with their 'lets sue technology out of existence' strategies and how I would never again buy any music which I even thought MIGHT have the RIAA behind it," wrote one reader.
"It boggles my mind that people can read, among other things, your articles regarding the RIAA's behavior and cluck and wave their fingers on one hand whilst feeding the pigopolists with the other," wrote another reader. "I was one of these people, but no more. This has gone on for too long, and I am drawing my line in the sand. I am buying no more music or DVDs until the RIAA sees sense."
Don't hold your breath. ?
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Somehow I don't think this is going to go anywhere... but maybe that's my pessimistic side. I do like to see you crazy teens actually getting behind a cause, even if it's a cause like theft. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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By Ashlee Vance in Chicago
Posted: 09/07/2003 at 17:03 GMT
The thunderous grunt let out two weeks ago by the RIAA has served as a call to arms. P2P advocates are ready to prove the technology has merits that outweigh the music labels' self-serving concerns.
As the pigopolists' lobby group, the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America), prepares to sue thousands of individuals, organizations such as Boycott-RIAA.com, the EFF and P2P company Grokster have mapped out a course of action to try and convince the U.S. government that P2P is here to stay. Starting August 1, music lovers and technology fans alike are to begin bombarding Congress by phone and fax, expressing their P2P love. The following day consumers are encouraged to hold CD burning parties, hand out flyers and generally educate Joe public about P2P technology.
This kind of grass roots action is being backed up by Grokster and Sharman Networks - the Kazaa distributor - which are creating trade groups to lobby Congress.
The overwhelming number of e-mails received by The Register in the last two weeks in support of a music label boycott confirms that consumers and technology fans are at wits end with the RIAA's behavior.
"I emailed the RIAA through the contact form on their Web site, telling them how frustrated I was with their 'lets sue technology out of existence' strategies and how I would never again buy any music which I even thought MIGHT have the RIAA behind it," wrote one reader.
"It boggles my mind that people can read, among other things, your articles regarding the RIAA's behavior and cluck and wave their fingers on one hand whilst feeding the pigopolists with the other," wrote another reader. "I was one of these people, but no more. This has gone on for too long, and I am drawing my line in the sand. I am buying no more music or DVDs until the RIAA sees sense."
Don't hold your breath. ?
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Comments
P2P is not a crime. Sharing illegal music is.
That's their first problem. P2P is great, I can find great music that's produced by artists from the internet,
"can you say techno, trance or any other electronica ?"
P2P isn't all music either ! You can share videos and practically everything. It's like punishing everyone instead of just a select few.
The best thing about P2P, I don't have to sort out through 200 websites just to wade through even more ads then KazAa has just to find a broken link to some kind of free music.
RIAA needs to find out what their problem is, and their real enemy is, they're going to make alot of people angry by stomping their feet on anything and everything. Which is exactly what their doing now.
so do you back the RIAA?
Apple.com has a music selling industry, why don't you P2P people use that a little more often. Send the RIAA a message that you <u>want</u> to be good, but can't since they're... yeah, I can't go on and keep it PG-13.
should i download music and pay for it and enjoy it....or download it for free and enjoy it just as much, if not more? cmon, which would you choose? (and don't give me all the crap about "supporting the band, man")
Depends on what kind of effect you are expecting. Will it convince anyone in the administration? Nope.
But such campaigns are in a way very good PR for the pro-P2Ps, as you can consider a well-organized demonstration to be PR for its cause. It's simply a way of telling the world - and more importantly each other - that there's a lot of people behind this particular cause.
In that respect, I'm pretty sure this <i>will</i> have some effect, although it won't be measurable by any short-term statistic.
On an unrelated note: Slow day, hu? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
So people who were boycotting the RIAA before are now boycotting it EVEN MORE? Wow. Blah. And what's with the burning of CDs?
Secretary: "Sir, sales have gone up by 15% the last week."
RIAA Dude: "Wow, are our CDs that popular?"
Secretary: "No, they're burning them. It's all part of their plan."
RIAA Dude: "To make us insanely rich?"
Secretary: "Apparently."
Smart move guys, really smart move.
I'm not sure they have room to complain about "illegal" file sharing.
They thought they cornered the market in screwing people over, and now people have a means of screwing them over, and they don't like it.
I'm not condoning illegal file sharing, but I am condoning such hypocrisy
*edit* I should also learn how to SPELL
The cookie cutter synthesizer era has even reached my favorite bands, who went from sounding better then Rage Against the Machine to sounding like a soft rock group slightly below Britney Spears.
Its even reaching the games industry, I don't even think there is any games out there anyone WANTS to pirate. And the only good games coming out soon, I plan on snatching up ASAP anyway.
Look at the quality of games a few years ago (Fallout 2, Baldurs Gate, Baldurs Gate II, Deus Ex, Half-Life, Max Payne, etc...) then look at some of the crap we've seen lately (Enter the Matrix, Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness, etc...) and the lack of innovative games (The Sims: Makin' Magick, Unreal Tournament 2004, MMORPGS in General, Battlefield: Vietnam).
Things are going to be very bleak for the future of PC games, until a few companies start going under because they keep creating sequels to crappy games (*cough* Eidos *cough*).
wait a second?? i can do illegal stuff with my EMAIL!?!?!?!
/me finishes off helping that nice man in Africa transfer his $10 MILLION dollars
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'P2P is good for the world'. Why is that?
If I have something to say, and want people to hear it, how can I get it to them? Lets step through time.
* I can tell it to them orally, one of the oldest traditions we have as humans
* I can write it down, but making more than one copy is a pain. Monks did this for a while.
* Printing press is invented: now we can print books instead of handwriting! This is good, right? Increases distribution by decreasing human labor.
* Computers come along. Now everyone has a "printing press," but the presses aren't connected, so while I can print lots of copies getting them spread around the world is hard. Getting them out my immediate area is hard, without me physically leaving my area and going to other areas to distribute it.
* Eventually, we connect the computers. There were a few stories and other things (ANSI/ASCII art) I wrote and distributed on local BBSs; now someone (granted, someone nearby most likely) could get my work without much effort on my part, and if they wanted they could send it somewhere else, on other boards they frequent, helping my work get farther. Still pretty limited though - most BBS users were in your local area.
* Internet. Anyone can put a story on a web server now, and anyone around the world can read it. But you still need a server, which costs money for hardware and bandwidth.
* P2P. You don't need a server anymore; many P2P systems are serverless. I can put a file on my computer, and with two clicks and some creative titling, metadata and promotion I can share my work with the world. The cost is the cost of one peer, I don't need a server anymore.
I don't argue that this is how the system is currently used. It's not. However it is the next step in information sharing, in a long tradition of people trying to share information better, easier, and faster. We've gone from the oral tradition up to Peer-to-peer. No longer do I need to be in the same room as someone else to tell them my story. Even here on Slashdot, I don't know where you are and you are hearing my story - but there is a server between us that I rely on. P2P removes one of those last limitations.
The fact that there are industries that rely on old methods of distribution doesn't really matter; eventually the Monks had to stop handwriting books too. We just have powerful industries that support the old ways and lots of work locked up legally, so we need new works.
P2P is important because it is your printing press and distribution method. It's not just the way you save your story, but the way you tell it to the world, and you can tell it to everyone (potentially). That's amazing. It is unlike any invention ever before, really. That's why P2P is important.
I agree that it is mostly copyrighted material being illegally distributed now. But most of that material was created before P2P was a possibility, or by authors who didn't see P2P as a possibility and are stuck contractually with another distribution method. We need people to grow up with this distribution model in their minds, so they can properly take advantage of it. Maybe not to get rich, but the point isn't to get rich for a lot of people, the point is to share your ideas, be recognized, contribute, and maybe make the world a better place. It got better and continues to get better because people talk to people, and ideas spread, creating and improving upon our culture. Yes, this is idealistic, but P2P is a distribution method that lets people connect directly to other people, without middlemen, enablers, distributers, corporations, hardly even any costs.
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(said in a Mrs. Lovejoy voice)
won't SOMEBODY think of the pr0n??
WHO will take care of the pr0n?!?!?
I don't think they need to worry about us P2Pers,I think they should be MORE worried about "inside" jobs the peeps that are putting ALOT of stuff on the net before their release dates etc.And to the RIAA
As in the words of some of the Hacker Manifesto:
"You may stop me but you can't stop us All"
Only games I buy are ValvE, Relic, Blizzard and some M$ games.
If there's ever going to be a rational discussion about this subject, the correct terms must be used. Both theft and piracy, however, are slanderous terms in this context.
Thieves take something away from their victim, so that the original owners are deprived of their property.
Pirates are thieves who murder their victims.
Someone who shares a Metallica album on a p2p network is neither, he is merely committing copyright infringement. Whether this sort of copyright infringement leads to any financial damage is unknown, as the "damage by piracy" figures are pure conjecture based on the ridiculous assumption that someone who downloads a song would have bought a CD.
If this campaign raises a little public attention by offering an alternative to RIAA's slanderous propaganda, it will be worth the effort.
Numerous artists, whether local, regional, national, or international, encourage the free trade of their music through means such as P2P. So who does the music belong to? The artist, or the recording industry? Should an artist not have the final say in how their music should be distributed?