th0r0nBorn again n00b Join Date: 2003-06-12Member: 17313Members
Personally I think people trying to force any sort of grammatical consistency within the people that use this board is worse than the sum of the "crimes" committed, so what if someone wants to abbreviate a 3 letter word? It's a free country. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean that they should stop doing it.
I understand when it comes to posts that are barely legible, but people who play NS live in all corners of the world, therefore English may not be their first language.
You may say it pisses you off when people abbreviate or forget punctuation, but it's a forum for a game, in the end, not a dissetation.
Please remember that not all forum users were raised with english as their first language. Some of us had to learn it first <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Tyrain+Jul 17 2003, 10:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tyrain @ Jul 17 2003, 10:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Please remember that not all forum users were raised with english as their first language. Some of us had to learn it first <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Which is all the more reason to try to use it properly.
I find my self doing reports and using slang words all the time. Its a real problem when you use "ppl" to mean "people". The "@" to mean "at".
Learning how to type is important; learning how to type with proper grammer and spelling is far more important! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--@egis+Jul 17 2003, 12:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (@egis @ Jul 17 2003, 12:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Seriously... who cares? If you can understand the person it's fine. I can deal with people using bad grammar/spelling/shortcuts/whatever. What really annoys me is people who actually care enough about the subject to start a thread like this :\
Give it a break.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The problem isn't that we can't understand people, the problem is the TIME it takes to do so. Normally, when we read a text we don't read it letter for letter, we read it word for word. This is because we know the looks of most common words, and can thus recognize them at a glance. This dramatically increases reading speed. Spelling errors, on the other hand, make the word look dieeferent, and thus not familiar. Did you notice how I spelled the word "different" wrong in the last sentence? There's an example. Basically, spelling errors are an inconvenience, sometimes to the point were people can't be bothered to read a post that contains too many errors, simply because it takes too long. The way I understand it, this is what dyslexia is about: Dyslexic people can't recognize words as well as other people, and thus have a harder time reading. In effect, by making lots of errors, you make us all dyslexic. "Preview Post" is your friend. You can hardly miss the button, it's right next to the "Add Reply" button. Use preview post to check for spelling before you post, this can avoid a lot of mistakes (as well as scripting mishaps).
<!--QuoteBegin--Tyrain+Jul 17 2003, 11:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tyrain @ Jul 17 2003, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Please remember that not all forum users were raised with english as their first language. Some of us had to learn it first <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exceptions can be made, but if English is your first language, you have no excuse. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I think the words ur and urs and such can be used in game or when you're on IRC. The text is going by fast, you want to type something out about how the marines are building a phase, you dont have time to spellcheck. However, when you're on a forum, and typing a serious response, you can waste a second of your time to write out your or you. Maybe a spell checker option on the forums would help a lot of people.
Penny-Arcade sums it all up in a fun and exciting video for all ages! (By all ages I mean anyone who isn't offended by vulgar language) <a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021011l.gif' target='_blank'>First Strip</a> <a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2003/20030707l.jpg' target='_blank'>Second Strip</a>
th0r0nBorn again n00b Join Date: 2003-06-12Member: 17313Members
edited July 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Spelling errors, on the other hand, make the word look dieeferent, and thus not familiar. Did you notice how I spelled the word "different" wrong in the last sentence? There's an example.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, now was there a point in talking to people like they were: a) retarded or b) 5 years old.
<!--QuoteBegin--th0r0n^+Jul 17 2003, 05:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (th0r0n^ @ Jul 17 2003, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Spelling errors, on the other hand, make the word look dieeferent, and thus not familiar. Did you notice how I spelled the word "different" wrong in the last sentence? There's an example.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, now was there a point in talking to people like they were: a) retarded or b) 5 years old.
<!--QuoteBegin--th0r0n^+Jul 17 2003, 10:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (th0r0n^ @ Jul 17 2003, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No, now was there a point in talking to people like they were: a) retarded or b) 5 years old. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I believe the word you're looking for is "patronised".
why not concentrate more on the subject of the post, than whining about style its written in.
in the end, as long as you can understand what is being said ( i dont theres anyone here who wouldnt recognise the meaning of a word like UR depending on the sentence it was in).
i see this whole your grammer sucks as just another 'im better than you' effort.
quit it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just remember, people dont come on here to get <i>patronised</i>, they come on here to talk about NS, and I'd rather come on here with bad spelling than be one of the freaks the gets obsessive if the forum doesn't look neat.
I remember in an old IRC room I used to use, there was this guy that would have a go at people who used the word "u" in a sentence, a few months later he was ignoring people that used "u", "r" etc, and then a few months after that he got into mIRC scripting, and ended up spending his entire waking day coding this script to change "u" into "you" etc, and if people typed in capitals he made an auto ignore script that told them the %age of their sentence that was in capitals.
He did loads of other messed up crap as well, like post a database of people he ignored on the internet, The address is still active (http://ignores.cjb.net/).
So just think, is it better to correct people on the way that they type, (which in my mind is pretty damned obsessive), or spend 5 minutes a day typing a post.
I posted this before because it's funny. I'm posting it again because it's still funny, and appropriate.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Here are some tips to improve your grammar.
1. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects. 2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with. 3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction. 4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive. 5. Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat) 6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration. 7. Be more or less specific. 8. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. 9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies. 10. No sentence fragments. 11. Contractions aren't necessary and shouldn't be used. 12. Foreign words and phrases are not apropos. 13. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous. 14. One should NEVER generalize. 15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches. 16. Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, etc. 17. One-word sentences? Eliminate. 18. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake. 19. The passive voice is to be ignored. 20. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary. Parenthetical words however should be enclosed in commas. 21. Never use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice. 22. Use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them. 23. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put forth earth-shaking ideas. 24. Eliminate quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I hate quotations. Tell me what you know." 25. If you've heard it once, you've heard it a thousand times: Resist hyperbole; not one writer in a million can use it correctly. 26. Puns are for children, not groan readers. 27. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms. 28. Even IF a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed. 29. Who needs rhetorical questions? 30. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.
And the last one...
31. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I had to learn english wich is not my first language and i must say that it disturbs me sometimes.
But the same thing is happening over the world, with internet, written language is changing faster, the young ones MUST write to communicate before they are "grammaticaly" ready to do it.
There are aslo some people with a lower education level, for a reason or another, but you can't deny them internet written communication, that would mean more exclusion.
And you don't want to reject people, you want to enlight them.
So here is my 0.02 : if you have the ability to write properly, do it, show the others the way.
But don't judge them, don't exclude people just because they don't write the way you do, or because they don't talk the way you do, or because they are not the way you are.
th0r0nBorn again n00b Join Date: 2003-06-12Member: 17313Members
edited July 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So here is my 0.02 : if you have the ability to write properly, do it, show the others the way.
But don't judge them, don't exclude people just because they don't write the way you do, or because they don't talk the way you do, or because they are not the way you are. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont see what the problem is. I mean sure we're not all perfect at this language like your are. Aslong as everyone understands what your trying to say. Whats the problem. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Wake, I agree wholeheartedly with your post. People shouldn't be ostracised for their poor communication skills. However, some of the posts on this board are so contorted and incorrect that they are simply illegible, which renders their opinion, be it educated or not, void.
To me, spelling and grammar are issues of etiquette. Posting semi-legibly gives a terrible impression to others; that you don't really care about those reading your post. If English is not your first language, or you suffer from dyslexia, simply apologising for the quality of your writing is more than enough to show that you can appreciate that it is an inconvenience to others.
I'm not saying that everyone's spelling has to be flawless, but I would like to see less "OMG SUYF noob i kn speele hawevere i wnat ur dum"
p.s.
An actual quote from my English teacher a few years ago <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->With is a bad word to end a sentence with. ... Oops.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Wilkins+Jul 17 2003, 10:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wilkins @ Jul 17 2003, 10:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Penny-Arcade sums it all up in a fun and exciting video for all ages! (By all ages I mean anyone who isn't offended by vulgar language) <a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021011l.gif' target='_blank'>First Strip</a> <a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2003/20030707l.jpg' target='_blank'>Second Strip</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> LOL Gabe, you make learning so much fun!
In game I find nothing wrong with using time saving typing techniques. Each second you spend typing is a second you are a sitting duck.
Message boards, however, are a different story. You have plenty of time to type and proofread your post before it is submitted. After that you also have the option to edit.
Using improper grammar on a message board simply makes you sound less intelligent. It becomes that much harder to convince people that your arguements and comments are reasonable.
human nature to enjoy being better at things i guess...
all im saying is i think its a mistake to estimate peoples intelligence based on spelling/ grammer. and its definatly a bad thing to base your veiws of their opinions on this.
I'm guessing that a lot of you went in the public school and learned to read by some other means than phonetically. I say that because a lot of what you're complaining about is just phonetic spelling.
But more important than that little observation is this piece of advice: get over it. No matter how much you complain, or try to correct everyone's grammar, your struggles will not raise the level of intelligence on the internet one iota. People wi11 57i11 use l337 5p33k, mispel wrdss, and condense their conversations into "u r hot wanna cyber @ my p4d?"
<!--QuoteBegin--Melatonin+Jul 17 2003, 02:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Melatonin @ Jul 17 2003, 02:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> human nature to enjoy being better at things i guess...
all im saying is i think its a mistake to estimate peoples intelligence based on spelling/ grammer. and its definatly a bad thing to base your veiws of their opinions on this. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> When the only thing you're presented with is a mass of gibberish, it's hard to come to any other conclusion than that they're illiterate.
Bottomline in this thread that started out as a global flame and then was turned around, reinforcing my belief in this community: If you can express yourself properly, do. If you can't, try to learn. If you meet someone who can't, be polite, or I'll come around and introduce your backside to my boots.
th0r0nBorn again n00b Join Date: 2003-06-12Member: 17313Members
edited July 2003
To be honest, if someone's typing is illegible, either through dyslexia or english being their 2nd language or whatever, they shouldn't have to apologise for it.
Quite simply, if you can't read what they're typing, you should (in my opinion) politely ask them to rephrase, as you can't read it.
I don't think starting posts complaining about people's poor spelling and grammar are going to get anything sorted, you will meet people from all walks of life, some who can spell, punctuate and articulate easily, and some that can not. You can't just say to someone "type properly" if they're dyslexic or know little English, just because they aren't obviously the conossieurs (sp) of the English language that you so obviously are, doesn't mean that they have any less right to be here and voice their own opinions.
If you can't understand what some people are saying fine, just politely say you can't understand, or don't reply at all.
Put yourself in their shoes, imagine you're dyslexic, you register for these forums and post a new topic, trying as hard as you can to write so people can understand, and then you get flamed for "typing like an idiot" etc etc, not very nice is it? Nobody has a right to make someone feel like that in real life, let alone an internet forum where you don't even bother to find out WHY some people don't type as well as you.
This community has a lot of growing up to do and the Eliteism has to stop, especially with 2.0 on the way. If topics like this keep getting posted, you'll give the community a bad name, and people will be discouraged from playing NS. Just think of the amount of work people have put into this mod, only for all the potential players to be driven away by the community that's supposed to be welcoming them with open arms?
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I understand when it comes to posts that are barely legible, but people who play NS live in all corners of the world, therefore English may not be their first language.
You may say it pisses you off when people abbreviate or forget punctuation, but it's a forum for a game, in the end, not a dissetation.
Which is all the more reason to try to use it properly.
I find my self doing reports and using slang words all the time. Its a real problem when you use "ppl" to mean "people".
The "@" to mean "at".
Learning how to type is important; learning how to type with proper grammer and spelling is far more important! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Give it a break.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The problem isn't that we can't understand people, the problem is the TIME it takes to do so. Normally, when we read a text we don't read it letter for letter, we read it word for word. This is because we know the looks of most common words, and can thus recognize them at a glance. This dramatically increases reading speed. Spelling errors, on the other hand, make the word look dieeferent, and thus not familiar. Did you notice how I spelled the word "different" wrong in the last sentence? There's an example.
Basically, spelling errors are an inconvenience, sometimes to the point were people can't be bothered to read a post that contains too many errors, simply because it takes too long.
The way I understand it, this is what dyslexia is about: Dyslexic people can't recognize words as well as other people, and thus have a harder time reading. In effect, by making lots of errors, you make us all dyslexic.
"Preview Post" is your friend. You can hardly miss the button, it's right next to the "Add Reply" button. Use preview post to check for spelling before you post, this can avoid a lot of mistakes (as well as scripting mishaps).
Exceptions can be made, but if English is your first language, you have no excuse. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021011l.gif' target='_blank'>First Strip</a>
<a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2003/20030707l.jpg' target='_blank'>Second Strip</a>
No, now was there a point in talking to people like they were: a) retarded or b) 5 years old.
gg.
No, now was there a point in talking to people like they were: a) retarded or b) 5 years old.
gg. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
:rolleyes:
I believe the word you're looking for is "patronised".
in the end, as long as you can understand what is being said ( i dont theres anyone here who wouldnt recognise the meaning of a word like UR depending on the sentence it was in).
i see this whole your grammer sucks as just another 'im better than you' effort.
quit it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just remember, people dont come on here to get <i>patronised</i>, they come on here to talk about NS, and I'd rather come on here with bad spelling than be one of the freaks the gets obsessive if the forum doesn't look neat.
I remember in an old IRC room I used to use, there was this guy that would have a go at people who used the word "u" in a sentence, a few months later he was ignoring people that used "u", "r" etc, and then a few months after that he got into mIRC scripting, and ended up spending his entire waking day coding this script to change "u" into "you" etc, and if people typed in capitals he made an auto ignore script that told them the %age of their sentence that was in capitals.
He did loads of other messed up crap as well, like post a database of people he ignored on the internet, The address is still active (http://ignores.cjb.net/).
So just think, is it better to correct people on the way that they type, (which in my mind is pretty damned obsessive), or spend 5 minutes a day typing a post.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Here are some tips to improve your grammar.
1. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects.
2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with.
3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction.
4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.
5. Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat)
6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration.
7. Be more or less specific.
8. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually)
unnecessary.
9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies.
10. No sentence fragments.
11. Contractions aren't necessary and shouldn't be used.
12. Foreign words and phrases are not apropos.
13. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary;
it's highly superfluous.
14. One should NEVER generalize.
15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches.
16. Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, etc.
17. One-word sentences? Eliminate.
18. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake.
19. The passive voice is to be ignored.
20. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary. Parenthetical
words however should be enclosed in commas.
21. Never use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice.
22. Use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them.
23. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put
forth earth-shaking ideas.
24. Eliminate quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I
hate quotations. Tell me what you know."
25. If you've heard it once, you've heard it a thousand times:
Resist hyperbole; not one writer in a million can use it
correctly.
26. Puns are for children, not groan readers.
27. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.
28. Even IF a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.
29. Who needs rhetorical questions?
30. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.
And the last one...
31. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But the same thing is happening over the world, with internet, written language is changing faster, the young ones MUST write to communicate before they are "grammaticaly" ready to do it.
There are aslo some people with a lower education level, for a reason or another, but you can't deny them internet written communication, that would mean more exclusion.
And you don't want to reject people, you want to enlight them.
So here is my 0.02 : if you have the ability to write properly, do it, show the others the way.
But don't judge them, don't exclude people just because they don't write the way you do, or because they don't talk the way you do, or because they are not the way you are.
But don't judge them, don't exclude people just because they don't write the way you do, or because they don't talk the way you do, or because they are not the way you are. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Amen to that.
To me, spelling and grammar are issues of etiquette. Posting semi-legibly gives a terrible impression to others; that you don't really care about those reading your post. If English is not your first language, or you suffer from dyslexia, simply apologising for the quality of your writing is more than enough to show that you can appreciate that it is an inconvenience to others.
I'm not saying that everyone's spelling has to be flawless, but I would like to see less "OMG SUYF noob i kn speele hawevere i wnat ur dum"
p.s.
An actual quote from my English teacher a few years ago
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->With is a bad word to end a sentence with.
...
Oops.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021011l.gif' target='_blank'>First Strip</a>
<a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2003/20030707l.jpg' target='_blank'>Second Strip</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL
Gabe, you make learning so much fun!
Message boards, however, are a different story. You have plenty of time to type and proofread your post before it is submitted. After that you also have the option to edit.
Using improper grammar on a message board simply makes you sound less intelligent. It becomes that much harder to convince people that your arguements and comments are reasonable.
all im saying is i think its a mistake to estimate peoples intelligence based on spelling/ grammer.
and its definatly a bad thing to base your veiws of their opinions on this.
But more important than that little observation is this piece of advice: get over it. No matter how much you complain, or try to correct everyone's grammar, your struggles will not raise the level of intelligence on the internet one iota. People wi11 57i11 use l337 5p33k, mispel wrdss, and condense their conversations into "u r hot wanna cyber @ my p4d?"
all im saying is i think its a mistake to estimate peoples intelligence based on spelling/ grammer.
and its definatly a bad thing to base your veiws of their opinions on this. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
When the only thing you're presented with is a mass of gibberish, it's hard to come to any other conclusion than that they're illiterate.
If you can express yourself properly, do. If you can't, try to learn. If you meet someone who can't, be polite, or I'll come around and introduce your backside to my boots.
Quite simply, if you can't read what they're typing, you should (in my opinion) politely ask them to rephrase, as you can't read it.
I don't think starting posts complaining about people's poor spelling and grammar are going to get anything sorted, you will meet people from all walks of life, some who can spell, punctuate and articulate easily, and some that can not. You can't just say to someone "type properly" if they're dyslexic or know little English, just because they aren't obviously the conossieurs (sp) of the English language that you so obviously are, doesn't mean that they have any less right to be here and voice their own opinions.
If you can't understand what some people are saying fine, just politely say you can't understand, or don't reply at all.
Put yourself in their shoes, imagine you're dyslexic, you register for these forums and post a new topic, trying as hard as you can to write so people can understand, and then you get flamed for "typing like an idiot" etc etc, not very nice is it? Nobody has a right to make someone feel like that in real life, let alone an internet forum where you don't even bother to find out WHY some people don't type as well as you.
This community has a lot of growing up to do and the Eliteism has to stop, especially with 2.0 on the way. If topics like this keep getting posted, you'll give the community a bad name, and people will be discouraged from playing NS. Just think of the amount of work people have put into this mod, only for all the potential players to be driven away by the community that's supposed to be welcoming them with open arms?
Sad, truely sad.
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