Homemade Guass Gun!

TenSixTenSix Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7932Members
edited July 2003 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">No, it does not shoot orange beams...</div> From Slashdot:

<a href='http://www.pskovinfo.ru/coilgun/' target='_blank'>http://www.pskovinfo.ru/coilgun/</a>

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"A Russion software developer has developed a homemade Gauss pistol. It's not very powerful yet, but as a proof of concept, it's interesting. Nice, non-chemical slugthrower that should appeal to fans of Science Fiction and related games, like Traveller and many others."

<a href='http://science.slashdot.org/science/03/07/17/163225.shtml?tid=126' target='_blank'>http://science.slashdot.org/science/03/07/...5.shtml?tid=126</a>
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The submitter apparently never heard of Half-Life eh? Gonna be cool if somone makes a replacment model for this...I think it would look pretty neat in NS with a green color, no?

Oh yes...its from RUSSIA! Where the gun shoots you!

<img src='http://www.pskovinfo.ru/coilgun/P011.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

Comments

  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    Even without much muzzle velocity, if this thing can punch through the food cans and make the sorts of holes in those pictures, all without any sound of firing...wow. Wonder what a military engineer could do with this idea if he/she had some funding.
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    isn't a gauss gun just a different name for a railgun, except gauss guns fire larger projectiles?

    It was impressive that he fit all that into such a small volume though.
  • TenSixTenSix Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7932Members
    I don't think this uses any projectiles...
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Wheeee+Jul 18 2003, 10:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Jul 18 2003, 10:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> isn't a gauss gun just a different name for a railgun, except gauss guns fire larger projectiles? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    actually gauss guns are guns that use magnets to fire
    rail-guns are guns that use magnets to fire bullets that go insanely fast and can penetrate virtually anything
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    Alright, so we'll call it a "coil gun" as it's been called on the website.
    But is it possible for it to have no firing sound? Would something without gunpowder have any muzzle flash? This could be the next generation of suppressed/silenced weapons -- current suppressors already lower muzzle velocity and accuracy, don't they?
  • AegeriAegeri Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13486Members
    edited July 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Black Mage+Jul 18 2003, 10:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Black Mage @ Jul 18 2003, 10:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Wheeee+Jul 18 2003, 10:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Jul 18 2003, 10:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> isn't a gauss gun just a different name for a railgun, except gauss guns fire larger projectiles? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    actually gauss guns are guns that use magnets to fire
    rail-guns are guns that use magnets to fire bullets that go insanely fast and can penetrate virtually anything <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Correct I believe.

    I've also understood guass guns to use heavy magnetic fields to essentially rip atoms off the surface of the target. Couldn't remember where I read about that though (Probably some gibbering sci fi freak actually).

    This could be an interesting evolution in the design of weapons though.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But is it possible for it to have no firing sound? Would something without gunpowder have any muzzle flash? This could be the next generation of suppressed/silenced weapons -- current suppressors already lower muzzle velocity and accuracy, don't they? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The accuracy I think isn't changed but the muzzle velocity is lowered considerably by the silencer. It leaves a lot slower and I believe that is what causes the subdued sound.
  • The_Real_QuasarThe_Real_Quasar Has the I.Q. of 12,000 P.E. Teachers Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9998Members
    Can you imagine if these went into widespread use? Bond films would be teh suck, with people just waving boxes at other people, who then die. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    wait, so a gauss cannon shoots magnets... ?
  • AegeriAegeri Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13486Members
    edited July 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--The Real Quasar+Jul 18 2003, 10:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (The Real Quasar @ Jul 18 2003, 10:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Can you imagine if these went into widespread use? Bond films would be teh suck, with people just waving boxes at other people, who then die. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dunno, I suppose it seems silly to us because these guns don't exist. Perhaps to the next generation or so it will just be perfectly normal.

    Incidently, Railgun vs Gauss gun information:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The basic idea behind the electrostatic gun (rail gun) is that a charged particle, allowed to drift in an electric field will "fall" in the direction of the field, extracting energy from the field in the form of kinetic energy as it does so.

    In the electromagnetic gun (gauss gun), the basic idea is that any particle which bears a current, when allowed to drift in a magnetic field will "fall" in the direction of the field, extracting energy from the field in the form of kinetic energy as it does so. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Website

    <a href='http://www.ballistictech.com/essays/gauss.html' target='_blank'>http://www.ballistictech.com/essays/gauss.html</a>

    Should answer any questions.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->wait, so a gauss cannon shoots magnets... ? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No no no. It shoots a metal projectile, it is just called a gauss gun due to the fact it relies on a metallic coil generating a magnetic field. The strength of that field is measured in 'gauss' hence gauss gun.
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--Aegeri+Jul 18 2003, 11:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aegeri @ Jul 18 2003, 11:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->wait, so a gauss cannon shoots magnets... ? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No no no. It shoots a metal projectile, it is just called a gauss gun due to the fact it relies on a metallic coil generating a magnetic field. The strength of that field is measured in 'gauss' hence gauss gun. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->

    so i was right the first time...except i worded it badly... i know that railguns shoot particles...yeah. anyway.
  • AegeriAegeri Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13486Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Wheeee+Jul 18 2003, 11:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Jul 18 2003, 11:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Aegeri+Jul 18 2003, 11:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aegeri @ Jul 18 2003, 11:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->wait, so a gauss cannon shoots magnets... ? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No no no. It shoots a metal projectile, it is just called a gauss gun due to the fact it relies on a metallic coil generating a magnetic field. The strength of that field is measured in 'gauss' hence gauss gun. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    so i was right the first time...except i worded it badly... i know that railguns shoot particles...yeah. anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually it doesn't appear they do. It seems they work by generating a similar kind of field to the gauss gun, just using heavily ionised particles. This generates a massive electric field (which has similar properties to a magnetic field anyway) that accelerates a projectile.

    Not really as different as I first thought.
  • sekdarsekdar Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9564Members
    i remember seeing a show about railguns on discovery channel a few months ago.


    they had working designs that fired 12 inch spikes at several kilometers <i>per second</i>.

    thing is, they said the recoil on them would make them so unweidly they'd have to put them on tanks or a dedicated gun platform.
  • RenegadeRenegade Old school Join Date: 2002-03-29 Member: 361Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Marik_Steele+Jul 18 2003, 07:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik_Steele @ Jul 18 2003, 07:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wonder what a military engineer could do with this idea if he/she had some funding. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You have no idea <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Okay. Layman time. Gauss guns and Railguns effectively do the same thing. Fire a small shard or slug of metal without using gunpowder and so on.

    However, the methods they use are distinctly different, and tend to only be of interest to EM geeks, who get quite annoyed when 'railgun' and 'gauss gun' are used interchangeably.


    Additionally, it was wise to only make a pistol gauss gun... they may have decent initial force, but it drops very quickly with range. ten to fifteen feet, it'll slice through a coke can, leaving a perfect hole. Double or triple that, and it might dent the can.. but not too much more.
    I'm actually decently surprised that he managed to put together a finished unit, as with gauss guns the coils tend to contract on firing, and with a glass tube being used as the standard 'barrel' they tend to be quite fragile.. normally shattering their firing mechanism within two to three shots. Not even speaking of standard carry/drop wear and tear which would be required for government use. Though plastic might be a viable alternative, it tends to create far too much friction with the projectile, causing a VERY unpleasant drop in maximum velocity.. if the thing will fire at all.
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    thats pretty damn tight

    now we need to make it 1000X as big and mount it on ship or rail and go to war against terrorists with it


    oh, can you say "metal gear rex" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    -_-

    thats enough out of me
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--sekdar+Jul 19 2003, 12:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sekdar @ Jul 19 2003, 12:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i remember seeing a show about railguns on discovery channel a few months ago.


    they had working designs that fired 12 inch spikes at several kilometers <i>per second</i>.

    thing is, they said the recoil on them would make them so unweidly they'd have to put them on tanks or a dedicated gun platform. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually what they said is they would need a vehicle the size of a small office building to house one railgun in combat.


    Pretty funny you have this really powerful weapon but it pretty much fires only once and you have to stick it in an office building to use it : P
  • NecroticNecrotic Big Girl&#39;s Blouse Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 53Members, NS1 Playtester
    God damn slashdot...killed the site ;p

    I'm intrigued though, so post any follow ups if anyone finds any.
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    I believe a feature of silenced weapon ammunition is that the chemcial reaction used makes sure the bullet is fired at a sub-sonic speed.Thus it doesn't get a mini sonic-boom, but it also has less kinetic energy. Then a suppressor just finish the job by allowing the gas to spread outa a different rate as to create less noice and muzzle flash.

    A lot of pistols don't fire super sonically anyway.

    There's another thread somewhere in here about rail-guns and how they would work in modern warfare. If anyone wants to know where it is, try a search for rail guns, or check back a few pages.

    I don't keep good track of threads.



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  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    edited July 2003
    Dahm you slashdot.

    Bandwidth limit exceeded. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    <i>Edit</i>: Gee, lotsa people posted before me, didn't even see Necro's post.
  • DreadDread Join Date: 2002-07-24 Member: 993Members
    Seems like future wars will be even more aerial. Why would you ever send tanks on the field when some d00d with Gauss Gun in the bushes can make short work out of the tank in 5 seconds no matter how heavy armor plating you have?

    Or then I have completely misunderstood something <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SaltySalty Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6970Members
    edited July 2003
    They have mussel flash and are far from silent. Infact they are extremly loud.

    <img src='http://www.powerlabs.org/images/mrailgun.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

    I doubt I will ever see a carryable rail gun because the power needed to generate 1 shot is just way to much.

    Heres some cool info on rail guns.

    <a href='http://www.eng.auburn.edu/department/ece/railgun/' target='_blank'>http://www.eng.auburn.edu/department/ece/railgun/</a>

    The diffrence is one just uses 2 rails laid out and a strong current goes threw that forces a projectile out. (rail gun)

    Guass rilfe is just another term for a linear accelarator (im pretty sure atleast) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Instead of using 2 rails it uses a buncha magnets. Basically you turn on one magnetic and the particles or projectile rush to the point. Once they get there or are pretty close you turn that magnet off then another one further down. Eventually you hit speed of like 99.9% of the speed of light or something obcene like that.
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    Didn't someone say something about this gauss gun not having a physical projectile? Now i'm confused!

    My friend says he could make a working railgun if he could get enougth electrical charge. I'm not sure whether to believe him; on the one hand he has made his own crossbow (3 times, each one better than the last, and the latest one is CO2 gas-powered), a hand grenade consisting of a tennis ball filled with matchheads, paper and lighter fluid, and a half-completed thermite charge (he can't get the piece of iron to rust you see..... ).

    On the other hand, he has started 6 half-life mods to my count, and has not finished any of them.

    My friend is wierd.
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