Directx 9
<div class="IPBDescription">Rage against the machi...microsoft</div> Ok, despite the title, this is not a "OMG MICROSOFT SUXX0RZ L3TS H4X THEM!!!!ONE" topic. This is a topic designed to see if any of you poor souls are having the same problems as me.
On Sunday, I bought Star-Trek Elite force 2 (yes most ST games suck **** but trust me, this one owns j00 all). I immediatly installed it and had 10 minutes of fun shooting up Borg until
"You will be assimi.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i."
It had crashed.
Okay, reboot. Another 10 minutes.
"Resistance is fu.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u"
F***it.
Sometimes it will last a good 1/2 hour before crashing, sometimes 5 minutes if i'm lucky. I looked on various message boards and found several other peeps encountering the same problem. The answers were always the same;
"Your computer must be overheating" "It must be a bad stick of RAM", "Download the latest drivers for your graphics and sound cards", but the reply was always the same:
"But i've DONE all that!"
Then I discovered it wasn't just STEF2, someone posted on Computing.net saying they had the same problem with Pirates of the Carribean.
Then it clicked.... DX9.
So I searched for "DirectX 9 crashes" and look what I found! Some people on this message board are very opinionated:
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I just want to say that after I installed the Direct X 9 on my PC(Athlon XP 2000+ , ASUS A7N266, Creative GeForce3), every game i play crashes.
Thank you Microsoft!
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Microsoft == BIG BULS***!!!!
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This one reminded me of my situation the most (same card)
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Date: January 22, 2003 - 3:45 PM
Comment:
I've got a Radeon 7000 and tried to download DirectX 9 for the Nascar 2003 game and car viewer. BIG,BAD, mistake. It downloaded fine, but then when you have to reboot the computer to finish installation it crashed the computer. The comp guy was on the phone with me for 1/2 hour figuring out what went wrong, then he was at my house for 2 hours reformatting, restoring and booting my computer back up. I was not a happy camper. The tech said the highest DirectX that the 7000 can take is 8.1. Lots like someones looking for ways to get people to spend more of their hard earned money. In order to play Nascar 2003 you need DirectX 9 and in order to get DirectX 9 you have to have a 9000 series Radeon card. I wonder if I can get Papy to buy me the card after I spend the $50 some odd bucks on their game...lol.
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Name: F**************
Date:
Comment:
I CANT SAY ENOUGH BAD STUFF ABOUT THE ATI CARDS AND DRIVERS NOT TO MENTION THE COMPANY APPALLING END-USER SUPPORT!!!!!
TOTAL CRAP!!!
NO END USER SUPPORT.. YOU CALL THEM IN CANADA ON YOUR DIME BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO 800 # THEN YOU SIT ON HOLD FOR NO LESS THEM 75 min. JUST TO BE MISDIRECTED AND THE DISCONNECTED.
AND THEY REFUSE TO FACE ANY PROBLEMS VIA EMAIL INSTEAD THEY RESPOND WITH THE SAME FORM EMAIL RESPONSES VIA A EMAIL ROBOT
COMPLETELY CRAPPPPY COMPANY
I HAVE GONE THROUGH A 8500 128 ALL IN WONDER
A 9700 ALL IN WONDER
I WOULD NOT GIVE THOSE AWAY I TOSSED THEM IN CAN
GOOD RIDDANCE ATI
I NOW USE A NVIDIA FX 5900 ULTRA 256 MB
WITH A
Hauppauge WINTV-PVR PCI
NOT THE 250 NOT 3580 BUT THE PVR PCI
SOLID AND NO MORE FREEZE ISSUES NO MORE CRAP DRIVERS ALL IS SMOOTH AND SNAPPY
THIS IS WHAT I SENT TO ATI TODAY
as I stated I would,
I have now added that statement to no less then 9 hardware review chat
sites today alone..
And will continue to do so for some time
I want to cost you guys loss of sales in the future as you have cost me
money
at least 875.00 to date
not to mention the deplorable phone service!!!
WHEN I CALL ON MY DIME I WOULD EXPECT NOT TO BE JERKED AROUND ON THE PHONE
BY SOME KID THAT KNOWS LESS OF YOUR PRODUCTS THAN I DO!!!!!!!!
I AM SURE THAT I WILL COST YOU AT THE LEAST 10,000.00 IN POTENTIAL SELLS IF
I KEEP IT GOING ON THE CHATS FOR SAY OHHHHHHH THE REST OF THE YEAR
SAY 30 MIN A DAY 5 TIMES A WEEK COMMITTED TO POSTING MY REMARKS ON ATI AND
ITS DEPLORABLE QC AND CUSTOMER SERVICE...
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Wow.
If you want the complete page, I can post a link, but I would like an admin to say it is ok first since there is some swearing there.
So, things to discuss:
1. Are you having problems with DX9?
2. If so, what graphics card?
3. Do you blame Microsoft or ATI?
4. Which is better, ATI or NVIDEA? (joking, please don't start a flame war)
5. Do you think ATI will release a driver for those of us with < Radeon 9000? (I hope so)
6. Is it just ATI cards? One guy said he had a Geforce 3 and had the same problem.
Discuss. Debate. Don't flame.
On Sunday, I bought Star-Trek Elite force 2 (yes most ST games suck **** but trust me, this one owns j00 all). I immediatly installed it and had 10 minutes of fun shooting up Borg until
"You will be assimi.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i.i."
It had crashed.
Okay, reboot. Another 10 minutes.
"Resistance is fu.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u"
F***it.
Sometimes it will last a good 1/2 hour before crashing, sometimes 5 minutes if i'm lucky. I looked on various message boards and found several other peeps encountering the same problem. The answers were always the same;
"Your computer must be overheating" "It must be a bad stick of RAM", "Download the latest drivers for your graphics and sound cards", but the reply was always the same:
"But i've DONE all that!"
Then I discovered it wasn't just STEF2, someone posted on Computing.net saying they had the same problem with Pirates of the Carribean.
Then it clicked.... DX9.
So I searched for "DirectX 9 crashes" and look what I found! Some people on this message board are very opinionated:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Name: D****
Date:
Comment:
I just want to say that after I installed the Direct X 9 on my PC(Athlon XP 2000+ , ASUS A7N266, Creative GeForce3), every game i play crashes.
Thank you Microsoft!
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Name: F******
Date:
Comment:
Microsoft == BIG BULS***!!!!
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This one reminded me of my situation the most (same card)
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Name: B*
Date: January 22, 2003 - 3:45 PM
Comment:
I've got a Radeon 7000 and tried to download DirectX 9 for the Nascar 2003 game and car viewer. BIG,BAD, mistake. It downloaded fine, but then when you have to reboot the computer to finish installation it crashed the computer. The comp guy was on the phone with me for 1/2 hour figuring out what went wrong, then he was at my house for 2 hours reformatting, restoring and booting my computer back up. I was not a happy camper. The tech said the highest DirectX that the 7000 can take is 8.1. Lots like someones looking for ways to get people to spend more of their hard earned money. In order to play Nascar 2003 you need DirectX 9 and in order to get DirectX 9 you have to have a 9000 series Radeon card. I wonder if I can get Papy to buy me the card after I spend the $50 some odd bucks on their game...lol.
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Now this one was written by an angry, angry young man <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Name: F**************
Date:
Comment:
I CANT SAY ENOUGH BAD STUFF ABOUT THE ATI CARDS AND DRIVERS NOT TO MENTION THE COMPANY APPALLING END-USER SUPPORT!!!!!
TOTAL CRAP!!!
NO END USER SUPPORT.. YOU CALL THEM IN CANADA ON YOUR DIME BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO 800 # THEN YOU SIT ON HOLD FOR NO LESS THEM 75 min. JUST TO BE MISDIRECTED AND THE DISCONNECTED.
AND THEY REFUSE TO FACE ANY PROBLEMS VIA EMAIL INSTEAD THEY RESPOND WITH THE SAME FORM EMAIL RESPONSES VIA A EMAIL ROBOT
COMPLETELY CRAPPPPY COMPANY
I HAVE GONE THROUGH A 8500 128 ALL IN WONDER
A 9700 ALL IN WONDER
I WOULD NOT GIVE THOSE AWAY I TOSSED THEM IN CAN
GOOD RIDDANCE ATI
I NOW USE A NVIDIA FX 5900 ULTRA 256 MB
WITH A
Hauppauge WINTV-PVR PCI
NOT THE 250 NOT 3580 BUT THE PVR PCI
SOLID AND NO MORE FREEZE ISSUES NO MORE CRAP DRIVERS ALL IS SMOOTH AND SNAPPY
THIS IS WHAT I SENT TO ATI TODAY
as I stated I would,
I have now added that statement to no less then 9 hardware review chat
sites today alone..
And will continue to do so for some time
I want to cost you guys loss of sales in the future as you have cost me
money
at least 875.00 to date
not to mention the deplorable phone service!!!
WHEN I CALL ON MY DIME I WOULD EXPECT NOT TO BE JERKED AROUND ON THE PHONE
BY SOME KID THAT KNOWS LESS OF YOUR PRODUCTS THAN I DO!!!!!!!!
I AM SURE THAT I WILL COST YOU AT THE LEAST 10,000.00 IN POTENTIAL SELLS IF
I KEEP IT GOING ON THE CHATS FOR SAY OHHHHHHH THE REST OF THE YEAR
SAY 30 MIN A DAY 5 TIMES A WEEK COMMITTED TO POSTING MY REMARKS ON ATI AND
ITS DEPLORABLE QC AND CUSTOMER SERVICE...
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow.
If you want the complete page, I can post a link, but I would like an admin to say it is ok first since there is some swearing there.
So, things to discuss:
1. Are you having problems with DX9?
2. If so, what graphics card?
3. Do you blame Microsoft or ATI?
4. Which is better, ATI or NVIDEA? (joking, please don't start a flame war)
5. Do you think ATI will release a driver for those of us with < Radeon 9000? (I hope so)
6. Is it just ATI cards? One guy said he had a Geforce 3 and had the same problem.
Discuss. Debate. Don't flame.
Comments
But with 2 small differences, number one is that i'm not running DirectX 9.
And number is that it happens to me on different titles.
I've started to think that its my graphics card or my sound card.
I'm going to run a few games tommorow without my SoundBlaster
Live in, if it still crashes i'm going to hunt down a decent nVIDIA card,
and learn to live without my beloved Radeon 9000 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
If the above fails. then i'm shelling out for a new motherboard, if
that fails i'm going to sell all the bits off and spend it on X-Box titles
or ale, i've not decided which yet. I might get both.
Games suddenly started performing choppily.
Including splinter cell for example.
Have a radeon 9700 pro.
With all the peons under its reigns, why would microsoft release a new version which is counter-productive...fools.
At first I thought the latest HL patch had done this, but reading your problems with DirectX 9...
What is interesting that, if I played games, it would sometimes lock up after 5 minutes, 10 minutes, sometimes after 10 seconds... But when it 'warmed' up, it could run for hours without locking-up... Argh...
No idea how I'll fix that, without putting in a new one or buying a new comp... And yes, don't tell me. I'm TOO lazy to go fiddling around with it just now. I don't play any games anymore, so the problem isn't as annoying as it would be in the first place.
also related, when I installed DX9.0, my framerate dropped to an unspeakable low of 10-15 fps. In opengl. Well that was before the reformat <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
edit: I got a GeForce3 (no Ti) by Leadtek.
Games suddenly started performing choppily.
Including splinter cell for example.
Have a radeon 9700 pro.
With all the peons under its reigns, why would microsoft release a new version which is counter-productive...fools. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I may be wrong, but I thought Radeon 9700 and the OpenGL pixel shaders had some problems working together...
I'm so close to kicking my P.C its unbelievable! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Now that sounds VERY familiar. I noticed STEF2 always crashes when a sound is playing, which suggests that it is sound-card related, but that doesn't mean it isn't DirectX's fault, it is probably DirectX which is incompatible with the sound card!
Boo microsoft, BOO!
What soundcard, what video card, and were you using DirectX 9? That is what I need to know peoples :/
I've never had any problems with DirectX drivers before, Vice City ran fine on my GF4, now it crashes during heavy action on my GeforceFX ...although thats clearly a problem with the drivers or the game <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I kept getting classfactory cannot supply selected class errors whenever I tried to watch a few of my movies, turns out it was DirectX 9 not liking .avi files.
A quick burl through DivFix and I was all set, but still... I shouldn't have to put up with that crap.
Just re-read the article. It's the Radeon 9800 Pro and Splinter Cell NVidia shadow buffers that have problems working together.
Here's where I found it - <a href='http://www.computing.net/windowsxp/wwwboard/forum/66683.html' target='_blank'>"How do I uninstall DirectX 9?"</a>
At the bottom of that page is a note to <a href='http://www.3dcenter.de/downloads/directx-dx9uninstaller.php' target='_blank'>this website.</a>
It's in German so if you can't read it (I couldn't) the download is right there for you to click on.
WARNING: It's terribly important that you follow the directions to the letter. Check the README file for directions.
I had Geforce2 and DirectX9.0a, no problems. Now I have GeForce4 Ti4200 and DX9.0a, no problemo. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
I've never had any problems with DirectX drivers before, Vice City ran fine on my GF4, now it crashes during heavy action on my GeforceFX ...although thats clearly a problem with the drivers or the game <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Haven't you been paying attention? If someone installs DirectX 9 and then tries to play a game that has worked for years and it crashes, the problem is not likely to be dust, the problem is almost certainly DX9!
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Well if you had been paying ATTENTION it is mostly the ATI cards that have this problem. The thing is, Microsoft is unlikely to do anything about it, as they can just say it's a problem with your card. And ATI have shown no sign of releasing new drivers for anything less than a 9000.
Oh well, looks like i'm going out to buy a new graphics card, and it sure as hell isn't going to be an ATI one. Anyone know a recent graphics card for under ?60 (about $80) that definatly works with DirectX?
Maybe it is the operating system? Is everyone who's having the problems using windows 98?
No crashes, no lockups, no nothing.
Perfect. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
--Scythe--
No probs here.
Well some games REQUIRE directX 9. Please don't post saying "nope, no problems with DX9", unless you have a piece of software which REQUIRES DX9.
"I wait 75 min on my dime just to be disconnected..."
LMAO! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->