Geforce Fx 5800
OttoDestruct
Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">Anyone have one?</div> Or even if you don't, do you know anything about the FlowFX thats used on some of the cards? From what I read its noisy, takes up a AGP and PCI slot from the sheer size, but it supposedly is pretty effective at cooling.
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Yeah its huge... takes out the pci slot under the agp...
Also 500$ is quite a lot of money... but the performance ist "WOW!"
If you really think about buying one... I suggest you to wait till the Quadro FX 3000 comes out. You can either buy the 5800 Ultra then for a lower price... or you spend a 600 Bucks on the Quadro FX!!!
Thats what I would do if I had the money... so far Im happy with my GeForce 4Ti4800SE but maybe I´ll buy a Quadro FX as soon as I got a new job <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Remember this is the STOCK cooler, as manufacturs such as Leadtek have put their own, more quiet, cooler and have slimmed it down to one AGP slot (no pci needed)
<a href='http://www.newegg.com/app/Viewproduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit=manufactory&catalog=48&manufactory=1280&description=&srchFor=5800' target='_blank'>LEADTEK's card, 320 bucks</a>
It has direct x 9 support, but it gets lower fps on average than the geforce ti 4200.
Yeah... slower... in maybe one or two real world tests (out of about 10)
Try all you want, a synthetic benchmark isn't the same as a real world one, in which case the 5900Ultra beats the 9800Pro in Doom3, Ut2k3, and a few others.
Also, last I heard performance had nothing to do with cheating.. it didn't make the card any different, did it?
The 5900 Ultra... well I dont know too much about it, except that its a great card!
I agree that the Radeon 9800 Pro is TOP! Great card!!!
THe FX 5200 is not so good... I wouldnt buy that one... the 5600 doesnt cost a lot more than that... so better get that one... or get at least a 9600 Pro...
But Im sure that the Quadro FX card will beat the Radeon 10000 series... if not I´ll buy an ATI...
Remember this is the STOCK cooler, as manufacturs such as Leadtek have put their own, more quiet, cooler and have slimmed it down to one AGP slot (no pci needed)
<a href='http://www.newegg.com/app/Viewproduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit=manufactory&catalog=48&manufactory=1280&description=&srchFor=5800' target='_blank'>LEADTEK's card, 320 bucks</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just be careful of slimmed-down cooling systems. PNY, for example, put out some bad cards a little while ago; their cooling system was inadequate and after a few months of heavy use the card would actually burn out. Not to say that Leadtek is doing anything wrong, but I'd wait until they've been out for a while and listen around to hear if they're holding up well in real-world use.
I have a Radeon 7000. I want a better graphics card, i.e, one that supports DirectX9.
What should I get?
And how much should I expect to pay?
Radeon 9800 pro is sounding good right now...
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From what I hear its easily clocked up to 9500 Pro speeds, while still performing rock stable.
I'll upgrade once GeForce5's come out.
EDIT
Whoops! turns out I'm actually getting a 128 meg 4200. WHEEEEEEE!
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Specifications: New Black PCB Version
Chipset: ATI RADEON 9500
Memory:128MB 128-bit DDR memory
Supports the new AGP 8X standard (2.0 GB/sec)
Unique VIDEOSHADER™ engine uses programmable pixel shaders to accelerate video processing and provide better-looking visuals
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From what I hear its easily clocked up to 9500 Pro speeds, while still performing rock stable. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Get that. Sapphire makes great cards.
/me hugs his R9000 128 MB
Why is the Nvidia card 'stupid'? Because in your personal opinion you prefer ATI? That's great. If you're going to provide 'advice' then back it up with facts, not biased opinions.
Both cards are very closely matched, however one will outperform the other in certain situations. You should never base your opinion/judgement on a synthetic benchmark, especially one as dodgy as 3dMark2003. That benchmark is pretty much useless these days. Real world tests are where it's at.
I just wrote a nice large description of what I've heard/read only to have IE skip back a page on me for no reason whatsoever. Bye bye post.
How f*cking annoying.
Anyway, check out: <a href='http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDk2' target='_blank'>http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDk2</a>
An in depth review of the BFG 5900 Ultra, with benchmarks vs a 9800 Pro.
I'd say this sort of performance would be fairly similar across the board.
To sum it all up, both cards offer very high performance, with the 5900 coming out on top about 60% - 70% of the time.
Image quality differences are negligable from what I can see (in game that is).
The fx 5200 cards support dx9 but they are too slow to put it to good use. Radeon 9600pro is a good middle of the line card(slightly higher image quality than the 9500pro and slightly slower, the 9600 pro can be overclocked with greater ease than a 9500pro if that's your cup of tea). The fx5600 ultra is not THAT bad but it is quite alot more expencive than a 9600pro and they are on pretty even ground.
I would not get a top of the line card ever, the radeon 9800 non-pro is almost exactly as good as the 9800 pro but it's quite a lot cheaper. Getting a card that is agp8x compatible is not of any importance(games are not nearly complex enough today to need it and the cards are not fast enough to take much advantage anyway) but it is unavoidable(can't find high end cards that are not compatible with agp8x). Getting 256 MB memory is not really needed for quite a long while. You easily get by with 64 MB but it might help with 128 MB in doom3 and HL2 etc. Unless you by an absolute top of the line card the extra memory won't be worth it since you would probably want to get a new and better card by the time you will need it anyway.
There is that AA problem with nVidia cards in HL2 but apparently there are ways around it.
Then of course theres a certain game called Doom 3 which uses a lot of the nVidia flashyness (You could even call it nVidias "Killer App" if you wanted to)
-EDIT- 1300 Posts! -EDIT-
I just bought one today, while it's not the greatest card in the world, it's a significant improvement over my old one (GeForce 2 MX, LOL!) and for $60, you can't really go wrong. Basically, if you've got a crappy old card like i did and not too much free cash, get one, for their price they're good, but as it goes, for so little money you get what you expect really.
As for everyone that thinks "OMG! Don't buy that crappy card, buy this new $500 GeForce FX 5900 Ultra", seriously, some of us just don't have $500 lying around.
that's nothing like how ATi cheated in the 8500 era with "quack3"