Sensory Chambers
Satanic_Monkey
Join Date: 2003-07-04 Member: 17938Banned
Join Date: 2003-07-04 Member: 17938Banned
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I'll get back to you when 2.0's out, and I've played it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'll be trying all three on all maps several times. Isn't the whole point that they are now all viable first choices? If that has succeeded there will be no "best" first chamber.
Hiding spots will be so fun to look for till the rines learn where each one will be put but hopefully skulks can stop them before that.
- RD
The Onos and Fades generally require a defense chamber 2nd , but movements chambers can be used as well. For now it's mostly S>D>M , but in the future the aliens will adapt to the marine's strategy (turtling , lockdown , ramboing , teching) and drop upgrade chambers accordingly.
Also, tower-cloaked aliens uncloak once they get shot. It's hard to hit a skulk or a lerk with blind fire, but pretty easy to nail an onos or a fade. So once you get the higher evolutions, sensory starts to become less useful.
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Having played it: yes, and at first hive. The build order is now completely reversed: S->M->D <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I was looking forward to Cloak and Silence for 2.0. But I'm now a huge fan of Scent\Silence\Regen hit-and-run Skulking.
Before it was all "Spam a ton of DCs and OCs and seal off this hallway completely so that even these slow-firing, slower-tracking structures can kill a marine, or at least slow them down." Now it's more like "Build a few OCs in various positions around the room, and put a sensory in the middle so they're all invisible. Add a couple defs later after we get another hive or two."
With the new costs of these goodies, and the new resource model, it is actually cheaper to have an extra gorge patrolling and healthspraying everything than to build clusters of DCs. And unless the game has been going on for a LONG time, you won't be able to afford to build a wall o' lame like you used to. But you may be able to build light defenses in key areas.
The trick is, if the OCs are spread out and all invisible, when a marine starts shooting one, all the rest are still firing on him. Scanner sweaps counter this nicely, as do seiges.
Also, aliens passing through the area are invisible even when they move, unless they attack. Spam a trail of Sensories throughout the map, and nobody even needs to get the upgrade.
Yes sir, the new Sensories are good stuff. Defs are still useful, especially to heal attacking troops on the front. But building an inpenetrable fortress isn't as cost effective as it used to be, so all this new "stealth" stuff becomes quite attractive.
Before it was all "Spam a ton of DCs and OCs and seal off this hallway completely so that even these slow-firing, slower-tracking structures can kill a marine, or at least slow them down." Now it's more like "Build a few OCs in various positions around the room, and put a sensory in the middle so they're all invisible. Add a couple defs later after we get another hive or two."
With the new costs of these goodies, and the new resource model, it is actually cheaper to have an extra gorge patrolling and healthspraying everything than to build clusters of DCs. And unless the game has been going on for a LONG time, you won't be able to afford to build a wall o' lame like you used to. But you may be able to build light defenses in key areas.
The trick is, if the OCs are spread out and all invisible, when a marine starts shooting one, all the rest are still firing on him. Scanner sweaps counter this nicely, as do seiges.
Also, aliens passing through the area are invisible even when they move, unless they attack. Spam a trail of Sensories throughout the map, and nobody even needs to get the upgrade.
Yes sir, the new Sensories are good stuff. Defs are still useful, especially to heal attacking troops on the front. But building an inpenetrable fortress isn't as cost effective as it used to be, so all this new "stealth" stuff becomes quite attractive. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed.
Some don't get the point, though.
1) Spot the observatory in the main marine base
2) Bring in a gorge to drop a few sensories near
3) Destroy the obs while no one looks
4) Wait at the armory
5) Have fun chomping clueless marines
well that must be effective against non turretfarmed bases for sure.
How do you plan to do that? If a commander is smart enough to put down an obs early on, they will be paying attention to it. Also, someone will probably spawn or be armory humping and happen to see you. Also, it doesn't make sense to put down the sensories before killing the obs, because the comm will see it and send marines to kill the gorge and chambers.
can u move & still be cloaked if in range of an SC?
do aliens see structures/aliens that r cloaked, or are the structures invisible to the alien player too?
has the SC got the same range as the 1.04 DC healing range?
thanks
-seraph
2) Yes; they appear semitransparent. You're more likely to have trouble telling whether or not they are cloaked than seeing them at all.
3) It's a fair bit bigger, I believe.
With no Alien to See or Hear the Marines have it pretty hard out there. Which is shown by the first stats I have seen that show more Alien wins than Rines.
Sensory Chambers should be placed in places where Rines cannt bump into them and most certainly NOT anywhere near OC's and DC's. The range effect will take care of the Cloaking, there is no need to pile the SC anywhere near the OC which I have seen on numerous occasions.
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Indeed.
IMO, this is why you don't see early-game hive rushes.
Fighting/spawn-camping invisible skulks is... uh... challenging.
But, I agree with pretty much everyone. It seems that Sensory -> Movement -> Defence is the way to go.
I gorged and put up sensory <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> giving them heart attacks and of course it worked pretty well
however in recent games all I've seen is sensory first and it's quite a pain for marines, quite effective, but I think I'll be trying DC or MC first from now on when I gorge
You know how empty res nodes have the white nanosludge....gas....stuff coming out of it?
Well, if you have a res node on top of it, even if cloaked....there is no white gas coming out.
So, you'll still have to keep track of your res even if it's cloaked, since a couple of sneaky and alert marines can decimate your res.