Destructable Enviroments

SilentRed

would be so good if u was the <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> and could smash ur way through walls.. that would kick butt...

Cheeseh

Make a map with destructable environments then <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> the HL engine doesnt allow knocking bits out of walls

Haze

If ya put it in it does.

EDIT:: Of course, thats a lot of tiny pieces you would have to put in.

SilentRed

i didnt say it would be possible just would rock if u could.. will NS be converted to HL2?

Gadzuko

Isn't there an FAQ for this, or something? The devs are looking into the possibility, it has been brought up ad infinitum before this. It probably will be, but not any time soon.

ElvenThief

It'd probably be hot, but you'd almost be required to use the Red Faction engine to get it remotely workable.

include

Well, map makers can put in destructable things, but they have to put it in. in de_vegas for counter-strike, you could shoot off pieces of a few pillars.

esuna

Hmm, this sounds like a very good suggestion. I might put something like this in my map. Make some tight entranceways destroyable around the outside (func_breakable) to make the doorway big enough to fit an onos through.

I might play with this idea soon. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

wlibaers

The HL BSP format really isn't suitable for this sort of thing. BSP trees in general aren't suitable to do this unless the changes are very small. they're efficient for rendering, but changing is hard. So any destructible part must be explicitly put in the map. Also, this has some potential to cause problems for visibility determination, and may cause the engine to draw much more than is needed. Haven't tried this, but I guess doing a whole map like this would give some impressive seconds per frame numbers.
Besides, if you smash the floor, where do you go? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

SilentRed

lol that would be good if u could get a alien which digs and can make tunnels..

Onkel_Dittmeyer

Right, to implement this without using thousends of entities in a BSP-Tree you would have to make it dynamic which is
a) not possible in HL as you don't have access to the engine code
b) still not possible in HL2 - see a)
c) a hell of an afford to do in your own engine.
Btw: We're talking about spaceships... what happens if it breaches the hull?

esuna

<!--QuoteBegin--Onkel Dittmeyer+Aug 4 2003, 03:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Onkel Dittmeyer @ Aug 4 2003, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Btw: We're talking about spaceships... what happens if it breaches the hull? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Everything gets sucked into the coldness of space, suffocates and implodes.

If you must ask. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

kuperaye

silent red are you from editstrike? cuz me from there too

SilentRed

whats ur name?

Onkel_Dittmeyer

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Everything gets sucked into the coldness of space, suffocates and implodes.

If you must ask. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nah, teh pwnos would fill the hole. So no problem <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

Spazmatic

As people have said, dynamic environments with BSP trees = BAD. Halflife's facsimile of dynamic environments are gratings in like, say, TFC, and other similarly blowable things (dod_caen, anyone?). They're also very very small, and work similarly to weld points. You could place some in, which would probably be great for effect (restrict opening it to onos gore?). However, it wouldn't have much gameplay effect, unless you wanted to force a gorge to escort the onos or something, and restrict widening passageways to bilebomb.

That said, if you put more than a few in... Oh boy, talk about some serious system use problems.

SilentRed

Im not from ES as i dont know WTH that is <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> ... ill be back later

Gadzuko

There are some problems with destructible environments... for instance, in Tanith, if you walk right up to the weldable wall into Satcom hive and use acid rocket/bile bomb, it destroys the wall. You can't walk through it, however... you still have to weld it. Don't know if this was fixed or not, I doubt it.

esuna

<!--QuoteBegin--Onkel Dittmeyer+Aug 4 2003, 04:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Onkel Dittmeyer @ Aug 4 2003, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--::esuna::+Aug 4 2003, 03:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::esuna:: @ Aug 4 2003, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Onkel Dittmeyer+Aug 4 2003, 03:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Onkel Dittmeyer @ Aug 4 2003, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Btw: We're talking about spaceships... what happens if it breaches the hull? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Everything gets sucked into the coldness of space, suffocates and implodes.

If you must ask. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nah, teh pwnos would fill the hole. So no problem <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then the pressure would build up, tear the Onos's flesh open, suck out it's innards before then sucking the empty hull of what it used to be out. Then other things continue to be sucked out. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

Silicon

they have destructible wall in ns_tanith after you weld the satelite thing near satcom and a NS map (in beta?) ns_mole? which you need to bust through rocks to get to a hive (at least one way).

BigMadSteve

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Everything gets sucked into the coldness of space, suffocates and implodes.

If you must ask. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nah, teh pwnos would fill the hole. So no problem <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then the pressure would build up, tear the Onos's flesh open, suck out it's innards before then sucking the empty hull of what it used to be out. Then other things continue to be sucked out. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wouldn't like to be a marine getting devoured at that moment. Ouch...

kuperaye

im The Punisher...>><<< on es

SilentRed

like i said i dont know WTH ES is?!?

Zek

The answer to the ever-repeating HL2 question, as of the last interview, was that there probably wouldn't be an HL2 NS mod and certainly not a conversion of any sort. Flayra said that instead he was interested in releasing a separate NS game with the Source engine, if he got a full team, a publisher and financing.

Alcapwn

the guy isnt saying make a red faction engine with all of the walls breakable.

Hes sayin that make certain parts in a map breakable. (ive seen this in other maps/mods)

Hell, tfc has one. I think its flagrun, where you can crawl under a bridge, and set a demo, rum like hell and seconds later youve got a second passageway right underneath the brdige. (the bridge still stands however)

SilentRed

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Hes sayin that make certain parts in a map breakable. (ive seen this in other maps/mods)

Hell, tfc has one. I think its flagrun, where you can crawl under a bridge, and set a demo, rum like hell and seconds later youve got a second passageway right underneath the brdige. (the bridge still stands however) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
He Just Said it all..

Zek

Guys, ns_tanith has a breakable wall <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> It's part of the shortcut to Sat Comm, remember? Once the laser is welded and the first hole is opened you can break through the second wall by shooting/biting/etc it.

Alcapwn

<!--QuoteBegin--Zek+Aug 4 2003, 08:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Aug 4 2003, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Guys, ns_tanith has a breakable wall <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> It's part of the shortcut to Sat Comm, remember? Once the laser is welded and the first hole is opened you can break through the second wall by shooting/biting/etc it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
We need more walls like that, minus the welding/lazer part.

And maybe you can make some walls breakable for only fades/HA's so you cant just run around for fun breakin walls.....