What Makes Or Breaks Rine Wins
BugBrain
Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16279Members
<div class="IPBDescription">It ain't "leet skillz", that's for sure.</div> Actual skill with a gun is not that important. It helps, but it does not make or break games. The cross eyed two-left-handed rine that follows orders and works for the good of the team is far better than any sharpshooter that runs of to kill a few skulks, then die. I just left an on going game. Kharaa had 3 hives and a lot of res, but we were holding our own. I estimate about 12 HA were dropped, along with plentiful welders, some HMG, even a few shottys. Lvl 3 armor and weps, motion tracking, the whole nine yards. The furthest the rines had ever got when I left was when three HA and two vanilla rines teamed up. They managed to take a res tower and set up an outpost outside a hive, but lost it due to lack of reinforcements (as I waited to respawn, I counted about 5 people humping the armory while the phase gate to the outpost died). The rest of that arsenal was wasted by rambos who kept getting eaten or faded to death. Of course, the aliens were not that much more coordinated, or we would'a been dead a looong time ago, but still.
My point is, even if you are the best shot in the world, yet don't event try to act as part of a group, you are a poor NS player.
My point is, even if you are the best shot in the world, yet don't event try to act as part of a group, you are a poor NS player.
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Like: Only give out X clips of LMG, Y clips of pistol, etc.
Bottom line: If marines stay together they win. If not they end as onos ****
<span style='color:red'>The swear filters are there for a reason.</span>
Imagine critical missions, where the ability to conserve ammo, shoot straight, and avoid those skulk bites can mean the difference between having a 2 man squad or a 1 man squad, out in the field. Or it can mean the difference between having that crucial frontline turret factory built, or being destroyed. Also, consider how much bang for your buck you get from a GOOD player who is armed with some expensive equipment.
Also, it's not just "elite" skillks as in marksmanship. Other marines skillz come into play. Such as knowing the map, stealth, instincts, cleverness, experience(knowing what is more likely the best choice for you to make when you have to make a choice) and positioning.
Who defends a new outpost untill reinforcements arive? the "elite"
Who protects you when you are reloading your hmg? the "elite"
Who jumps over a WoL to shoot that gorge in your base? the "elite"
Who holds off a skulk rush when everyone's dead or armory humping? the "elite"
sorry, but to have a working team you NEED different types of players..
builder,defender,attacker etc.
Who defends a new outpost untill reinforcements arive? the "elite"
Who protects you when you are reloading your hmg? the "elite"
Who jumps over a WoL to shoot that gorge in your base? the "elite"
Who holds off a skulk rush when everyone's dead or armory humping? the "elite"
sorry, but to have a working team you NEED different types of players..
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Who gets eaten by an onos wasting 50 res while standing alone by an outpost? The leet
Who complains about redemption onos caus they cant gunn them down and get eaten cause they run gun hoo into the enemy hive? The leet
Who never listens to commanders but instead goes out to try to knife a lerk just to get eaten by the nearby skulk over and over again? The leet
Who whines for Hmg saying they could own every hive 2 secs flat only to get killed by the first cloacked OC? The leet.
Who complains about the comm being a noob but never goes into the chair cause the only thing he can do is frag? And when he gets in he drops 4 CC then F4´s? The leet.
Those so called leet people that think they own cause they can shoot are the worst thing for a comm. I take a newbie that sticks to the other and follows orders every day over a leet gunner that thinks he knows everything better than all the others and just wastes my res.
Yes, but that's an ONOS! What about skulks, gorges, lerks, and fades?
No the leet skillzor haxor doesn't waste precious resources. The leet skillzor haxor(who doesn't have to have a HMG or HA) barely prevents his squad from being wiped out while their performing a crucial and dangerous mission.
The leet skillzor haxors who are resources drains aren't skilled NS players, they are **** CS vets who can shoot good. I'm talking about the teamplayers who can shoot alot better than average.
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And a single regular player with the same 50 res gear would of done any better?
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Who complains about redemption onos caus they cant gunn them down and get eaten cause they run gun hoo into the enemy hive? The leet<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is a difference between awesome marine player skills and being a rambo.
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Who never listens to commanders but instead goes out to try to knife a lerk just to get eaten by the nearby skulk over and over again? The leet<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Leet means you can shoot good and follow orders btw. These don't have to be mutually exclusive.
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Who whines for Hmg saying they could own every hive 2 secs flat only to get killed by the first cloacked OC? The leet.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They are called morons, actually.
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Who complains about the comm being a noob but never goes into the chair cause the only thing he can do is frag? And when he gets in he drops 4 CC then F4´s? The leet.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The morons once again.
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Those so called leet people that think they own cause they can shoot are the worst thing for a comm. I take a newbie that sticks to the other and follows orders every day over a leet gunner that thinks he knows everything better than all the others and just wastes my res.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
For sure, but how many comms have sent a few people to cap a res node, or defend an area, only for them to die?(and not die from an unwinnable situation either) There is nothing wrong with a good player to add insurance to a plan, when he is placed with some other teammates on a mission.
Guys like you are the reason aliens win so much. If a rambo marine constantly dies to cloaked skulks (and he will no matter how skilled he is) they get res and put up a 2. and 3. hive before you get HA. Then onos stomp and charge you to kingdom come while you figure out how to get the res for the arms lab. Res for kills is much more essential for aliens than for marines. 10-16 res a rambo gives you mean very little for a marine comm but it allows a skulk to put hives up 5 minutes sooner than usual. And as a comm you need every man to defend/build your outposts. You simply can´t afford to have marines runing around on their own especially on smaller servers. Do you know how many times i can take out 3 res nodes in a row as a fade because the marines are just running around the map or coming alone trying to defeat me? A lone rine is 2 res on average for me and as a skilled fade you can earn a lot of cheap kills from rambos allowing you to get onos 10 minutes into the game. Marines are only a danger if in groups. A single marine cant do nothing against even competent skulks no matter how good aim he has. If the skulks surprise him he dies before even getting a shot off. The marine side simply isn´t designed for solo players and thats reflected in their weakness. (Loud moving sounds, slow, die in 2 bites)
Some "elite" players can make a major difference in winning or losing by defending let's say a siege rush builder.
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I think the point hes making is that the law of averages say the "average" '"elite"' guy generally doesn't care about the team <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
now a NS vet with "elite" skills can be a scary thing.......because they actually listen and shoot straight too <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I think hes just mad at the CS l33ters who are incoming to try NS *shrug*
read this post:
"Of course I am a team player - I just want everyone to know that I am the <b>best, most CS-leet</b> player on the team."
You know what makes an elite player? A communicator who knows about kill zones and defense. This takes no twitch skills at all. Just because you are the l33tz0rs doesn't mean the loss is all the commander's fault.
Typical Troll, level 2. Must've researched Ego Cloaking. Move along.
Obviously theres the occasional rambo, but most of the best players are in good clans and they dont get there without good teamwork.
Not everyone comes from cs either <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
A good player is made by aim,team spirit,communication and fast reactions
Obviously theres the occasional rambo, but most of the best players are in good clans and they dont get there without good teamwork. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah .. what he said <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
is gc recruiting philleh? im really interested.
**disclaimer for those who dont know... i am actually in gc. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> philleh isnt really an evil cold hearted fewl.. well actually... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
what about when the sharpshooter follows orders and works for the good of the team?
90% of the time when ur going to a waypoint ur going to encounter the enemy, i cant see how theres any logic in what u said.
mate u should spec some hi skilled clan matches before u start these .. stupid topics.
Its somewhere in the middle, were a clan but were not very professional and we only bring in members we get on well with.
we are in the middel of that..
i mean clan games etc are all good but its all about fun so only peeps whom we like get invited in.. (except for esuna.. we didnt have the heart to tell him to go away <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
ok back on topic now!