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SlayerOfSkulks
Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17634Members
Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17634Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Seriously, you guys need to chill</div> I'm sitting here, reading the forums, and wondering how long it's going to be until Flayra has a mental breakdown.
I mean, come off it! 1.04, EVERYONE was whining about how there were certain tactics that everyone used, because they worked every time. You couldn't look at the forums without reading 'HA Train to 2 hive lockdown will always win if Marines can beat skulk rush'
Jetpacks were too powerful because they let you fly. OMG!!! Onos was too powerful because it took a beating. OMG!!! Everywhere you looked, someone had a complaint.
So Flayra and co looked at it all, listened to everything, EVERYTHING, that was said, and went away for 6 months, and coded and tested and balanced and went through all this countless times, and gave you exactly what you've asked for... and now you can't stop whining about it.
Oh no! The previously overpowered tactics we all hated don't work anymore! We hate that!
You guys are complaining because the things you hated are gone? Where do you get off?
Shotguns were underpowered. BAM. They are better now. So because people aren't used to this, they claim they're over-powered. GET A CLUE.
Jetpacks were exploitable. BAM. Bugs have been fixed, packs have been rebalanced, and suddenly they're 'useless jump-packs'. GET A CLUE.
Sensory was next to useless. BAM. Sensory has been made very useful, with a fantastic cloaking effect... so, of course, this means it is completely over-powered and the marines don't have a chance (despite the invunerablility the shotgun gives.) GET A CLUE.
Gorges are now, depending on who you talk to, a completely useless alien, or hideous over-popular and over-powered. You guys can't even make up your mind what to complain *about*.
EVERY one of the complaints I've seen, with the exception of Nancy's removal, stems from people refusing to adapt to a changing game. Of COURSE you're getting your **** handed to you! You're trying the same cheap tricks that the game has been changed to prevent! Of course one skulk is likely to die against one shutgun marine! Give the skulk some cover! Learn to lerk! Stop whining about turret spam, and go gorge for once; they can own turrets, if given some help to beat the inievitable marine defense. What's that? Aliens wasting you because you can't see them? Get your comm to build a couple obs, research Motion Tracking, and get some scanner sweeps going... and for goodness sake, start lobbed grenades about more!
To Flayra: For the moment, ignore everything you read here. Not a word should pass your ears. These people who are complaining don't get it, yet. They will. Once they realise that there problems don't stem from the game, but the gamers, they'll adapt. Balance will be attained, complaints will... well, let's be realistic, they'll slow down and be stomped on more, but that's it. You've put a damn great amount of effort into making a damn great game, which you're giving to them for the damn great price of nothing. You've done an amazing thing, and don't let these nay-sayers who turned the game on for two games and then sat down to complain convince you otherwise.
Umm. Rant over, I guess.
I mean, come off it! 1.04, EVERYONE was whining about how there were certain tactics that everyone used, because they worked every time. You couldn't look at the forums without reading 'HA Train to 2 hive lockdown will always win if Marines can beat skulk rush'
Jetpacks were too powerful because they let you fly. OMG!!! Onos was too powerful because it took a beating. OMG!!! Everywhere you looked, someone had a complaint.
So Flayra and co looked at it all, listened to everything, EVERYTHING, that was said, and went away for 6 months, and coded and tested and balanced and went through all this countless times, and gave you exactly what you've asked for... and now you can't stop whining about it.
Oh no! The previously overpowered tactics we all hated don't work anymore! We hate that!
You guys are complaining because the things you hated are gone? Where do you get off?
Shotguns were underpowered. BAM. They are better now. So because people aren't used to this, they claim they're over-powered. GET A CLUE.
Jetpacks were exploitable. BAM. Bugs have been fixed, packs have been rebalanced, and suddenly they're 'useless jump-packs'. GET A CLUE.
Sensory was next to useless. BAM. Sensory has been made very useful, with a fantastic cloaking effect... so, of course, this means it is completely over-powered and the marines don't have a chance (despite the invunerablility the shotgun gives.) GET A CLUE.
Gorges are now, depending on who you talk to, a completely useless alien, or hideous over-popular and over-powered. You guys can't even make up your mind what to complain *about*.
EVERY one of the complaints I've seen, with the exception of Nancy's removal, stems from people refusing to adapt to a changing game. Of COURSE you're getting your **** handed to you! You're trying the same cheap tricks that the game has been changed to prevent! Of course one skulk is likely to die against one shutgun marine! Give the skulk some cover! Learn to lerk! Stop whining about turret spam, and go gorge for once; they can own turrets, if given some help to beat the inievitable marine defense. What's that? Aliens wasting you because you can't see them? Get your comm to build a couple obs, research Motion Tracking, and get some scanner sweeps going... and for goodness sake, start lobbed grenades about more!
To Flayra: For the moment, ignore everything you read here. Not a word should pass your ears. These people who are complaining don't get it, yet. They will. Once they realise that there problems don't stem from the game, but the gamers, they'll adapt. Balance will be attained, complaints will... well, let's be realistic, they'll slow down and be stomped on more, but that's it. You've put a damn great amount of effort into making a damn great game, which you're giving to them for the damn great price of nothing. You've done an amazing thing, and don't let these nay-sayers who turned the game on for two games and then sat down to complain convince you otherwise.
Umm. Rant over, I guess.
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TBH i only ever post my view in replys i have only ever made 3 new posts out of my 200 posts.
People resent change its the way things work, now the overused tatics are gone people want them back as they learned out they did actually like them. People learn to adapt to a given situation just wait...
I would rather the forums got used to spread the word on <span style='color:white'>HOW</span> you've adapted though <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->... - Tink
To figure out if NS is balanced or not, you shouldn't just focus on single messages saying "JP is overpowered" - "JP sucks", but look at the bigger picture and try to realize how many people think it rocks and how many that it sucks. If you come to the conclusion that you have 50% people saying JP sucks and 50% saying it rocks, you can expect NS to be balanced. If 70% say it sucks and 30% that it rocks, I'd say it needs balancing. I just take it as a sign of well archieved balance when I hear "shotguns are overpowered" in one thread and "shotguns suck" in another, not something worth correcting by telling people to stop whining. Of course, you need to use your own eyes and experience as well so you don't end up getting false pictures from people who post to forums but never play <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Yes, this mod has problems, but they aren't the OMG OMG OMG YOU destroyed THE GAME kind. Personally, 2.0 is an improvement over 1.04 in every way.
It must be soul-destroying for the guy, to spend so much time and effort on making something for people to go away and have fun with, and get nothing but people shouting 'Part X of your game sucks!' I honestly don't know how I'd act if I was in his boots. He's probably doing the right thing, by staying relatively quiet at the moment.
I just feel like there's a lot of people who where involved in making this game and who must be reading this right now and thinking 'What's the point?'
I don't doubt that the vast, VAST majority of NS players out there love 2.0. They go and play it, and they like how things are, and even if they don't, they realise it's just because it's so new right now... but there's this vocal minority that make it look like his selfless work is unappreciated.
They've put so much into this... only just to have heaps of posts about balance and fun posted before it's even a week old. Please, if you don't like it, don't play. Just stop raining on the parade.
Anyways, most of the people who thinks it rules are in the jam packed servers...
2.0 is what the gamers asked for, they got it. I don't see whats the fuss all about. Personally I love 2.0, i feel that it rectified the major flaws in 1.04 (JP HMG whoring anyone?) and changed the style of play, which people JUST DON'T SEEM TO ADAPT TO. I would like to give Flay a pat on his back for a job well done. Yeah and for those knuckle heads out there, they would get used to 2.0's new style of play, just give them a week or so.
p/s : Love the new aliens =p. <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo-->
Hmm.... not long?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Shotguns were underpowered. BAM. They are better now. So because people aren't used to this, they claim they're over-powered. GET A CLUE.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Word. Shotguns seem perfectly balanced to me. A shottie marine against a skulk of equal skill should win. This is right, a shottie costs 10 res, a skulk costs 0 (maybe 2 if they have upgrades).
By that token, a lerk should be able to beat a shottie marine. This may not be the case, especially since the new lerk takes a bit of getting used to.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jetpacks were exploitable. BAM. Bugs have been fixed, packs have been rebalanced, and suddenly they're 'useless jump-packs'. GET A CLUE.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Word. Jetpacks are still useful, but no-one drops them!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sensory was next to useless. BAM. Sensory has been made very useful, with a fantastic cloaking effect... so, of course, this means it is completely over-powered and the marines don't have a chance (despite the invunerablility the shotgun gives.) GET A CLUE.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Meh. Personally I think sensory is a little overpowered. Not because it cloaks, just because it cloaks in a fairly large radius compared with that of an obs.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gorges are now, depending on who you talk to, a completely useless alien, or hideous over-popular and over-powered. You guys can't even make up your mind what to complain *about*.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Again and again I see no-one willing to go gorge, they want to save for teh pwnos. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Once they realise that there problems don't stem from the game, but the gamers, they'll adapt. Balance will be attained <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Flayra himself has admitted an inbalance in 2.0, but he is currently working on it (see the beta discussion forum). I really wish all those of you who think 2.0 is balanced would face facts, it isn't.
*edit* But I DO believe that commanders (and players) have a bit of learning to do before 2.0 marines reach their peak effectiveness *edit*
What I do think is good is that Flayra is using these public Beta's instead of private PTing as used for 2.0, this means that anyone (who can find a 2.1 beta server) can join in the PTing.
I have played a lot of NS over the last year (I know it came out in Oct) and I must say that, at the moment, it is the one game that I think about more than any other.
I see a lot of people ***** and moan about things that they have no clue about, they give advice to someone that has been coding this game for going on 3 years, the S and I forums are closed for the time being, but people don't seem to get that, do they?
They still have to give advice, and recommendations on things that, at the moment, should or should not be done.
Get a clue people. S and I closed, must I say it again, here let me bold, and underline it for you.
<span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Arial'><u><b>S AND FRIGGIN I CLOSED!!!!</b></u></span></span></span>
Do I see problems, yeah, but I have only been playing for a couple of days now, I am learnign the comm chair better, gorging more, eating marines cause they taste good...and that is what everyone else should be doing.
If I were a moderator, I would be locking any suggestions that came to this board, deleting the message, and stating....rtfm you farging iceholes, and stop posting stuff about fix this or tweak that. But that is probably one reason I am not a Mod, and probably a damn good reason...cause I don't take crap from people, don't on my board now, why would I change.
So to sum up.
Good work on NS 2.0, awaiting patiently for 2.01, keep the chins up and check paypal often, you may actually seeing this guy give you some cash to help you out.
Of course If I give cash I want a copy of the retail disk you guys end up making. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->