You Can Still Listen For The Hive :/

MonkeybonkMonkeybonk Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18859Banned
edited August 2003 in NS General Discussion
Through the command console, you can hear res nodes working, and know exactly what hive the aliens are at. I thought this was going to be fixed...
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  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    edited August 2003
    3 pics of companies with the acronym "SAD"

    bah.. you dont get it. i delete it.

    btw this thread teaches how to exploit, or aint it an exploit?
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  • GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
    Don't be such a troll Ollj.

    Keep it up and you'll be looking at a permanent ban.

    Don't let me see anything that's even remotely trollish again.
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  • nthingnthing Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3091Members
    Erm, was that nessaserry Ollj? What was the purpose of that?
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  • Jmmsbnd007Jmmsbnd007 Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9793Banned, Constellation
    Calm down kids. Don't treat Ollj like some 2 post troll.
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  • lazygamerlazygamer Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 126Members
    How is he being a troll? He's posting the word "sad". This could be him agreeing with Monkeybonk, or dissing him.

    No offense Grendel, but you are a playtest lead, not a mod. I mean sure you could PM a mod, but still...
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  • MonkeybonkMonkeybonk Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18859Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ollj+Aug 9 2003, 12:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Aug 9 2003, 12:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 3 pics of companies with the acronym "SAD"

    bah.. you dont get it. i delete it.

    btw this thread teaches how to exploit, or aint it an exploit? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I wouldn't call it an exploit because it's just an oversight. The commander mode works by a floating 'eye' above the map. As you know, surfaces (brushes?) aren't rendered when they're seen from the far side. So you can see through ceilings. However, this eye also can 'hear' things. You can hear marines firing etc. You can also hear alien resource nodes.

    Technically, you could also listen and find where aliens are walking without motion tracking, lerks are flying, or critters are gestating.

    Again: Not really a bug, because it's working as intended. It's just a cheap oversight.
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  • AposApos Join Date: 2003-06-14 Member: 17369Members, Constellation
    One easy way to test suspected hive sites is simply to drop a res node in that hive's nearby res. If it wont drop, you've found your hive. This works even if they managed to disable sounds.

    Personally, I think that the commander shouldn't be able to "listen" for hives. That's what scanner sweeps are for.
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  • elchinesetouristelchinesetourist Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17775Members
    Yeah well I don't understand why people don't work on shotty rushing the hive instead of bitching about how aliens are overpowered

    Work on training your troops and learning yourself when comming how to pull it off.

    Aliens can be tipped off for instance and if smart they will return and defend hive, or maybe try to annihilate your base. Stuff like that, so YOU have to try to be sneaky.

    Ideally it works like this: You listen for the hive. Aliens spill across map, go gorge and grab res. They scout your base, report nothing unusual. You spam shotties and immediately everyone rushes the hive. gg if your team isn't ambushed and attack together and don't block each other

    train the marines, if they're new of COURSE they'll suck, and if they suck don't expect the marines to win.
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  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I don't think it would be very wise to judge someone just on his title. Just because it says Playtest Lead doesn't mean that he has any control. Let's be nice to our Staff ok ?
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    edited August 2003
    I think now that scans are so necessary for defeating cloaking, this isn't as much of an exploit as it used to be. It allows rushing without an observatory, which I think is a necessary part of the early game. Since it doesn't defeat the purpose of scanning any more, I don't really have a problem with it.

    (although if MCs silenced everything in their radius, that would be awesome <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ) <-just a playful suggestion, don't take seriously.
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  • SoBe_DragonSoBe_Dragon Join Date: 2002-12-04 Member: 10465Members
    its a beautiful thing, and even if the nodes dont make noises, the aliens walking and gestating around the hive will =)
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  • Iced_EagleIced_Eagle Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
    edited August 2003
    Sirus: agreed
    moultano: that will put everyone in the same thing as 1.0x. You would build the same chambers again and again. SC to cloak, MC to silence, and then by that time the onos, fades, lerks should be ready to do the assault and the comes DC.. that would be the exact opposite of 1.0x

    also remember that aliens go around the map fast... of course not so fast as to get in the hive before commander but still they usually have 2nd hive up within 5 mins and that means there is defenses being built before hand.

    and going on with Apos' post. How bout you must have marine contact in site of the node for the commander to place it. Then it loses an exploit and forces marines to stay near the nodes while waitin for res because otherwise you can't build it and then the side-effect would be the marines wouldn't get the tech fast enough or get their shotties (yum... shotties <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->) so it would probably work nicely.. just port the LoS code from the siege to the RT code or something...

    Edit: AND make it so that scanning won't be considered LoS
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  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sirus+Aug 9 2003, 03:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Aug 9 2003, 03:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't think it would be very wise to judge someone just on his title. Just because it says Playtest Lead doesn't mean that he has any control. Let's be nice to our Staff ok ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    He still shouldnt be worried about moderating the forums <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • MaxMax Technical Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment Join Date: 2002-03-15 Member: 318Super Administrators, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    We tried to fix this, but we couldn't come up with a way that wasn't a *lot* of work. Unfortunately the HL engine wasn't made with NS in mind.

    Max
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  • HellSpawnHellSpawn Join Date: 2003-05-17 Member: 16415Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Apos+Aug 9 2003, 02:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Apos @ Aug 9 2003, 02:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One easy way to test suspected hive sites is simply to drop a res node in that hive's nearby res. If it wont drop, you've found your hive. This works even if they managed to disable sounds.

    Personally, I think that the commander shouldn't be able to "listen" for hives. That's what scanner sweeps are for. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    what if it isnt there hive? then u have a lone res node somewhere out there...better get your marines there or the aliens will eat it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • MonkeybonkMonkeybonk Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18859Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Max+Aug 9 2003, 04:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Max @ Aug 9 2003, 04:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> We tried to fix this, but we couldn't come up with a way that wasn't a *lot* of work. Unfortunately the HL engine wasn't made with NS in mind.

    Max <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    WTH Make your own engine then, foo!

    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Like I said, I doubt it could be solved, but it's still a very cheap trick. Listed for the 'plip plap' of skulks, the 'gralomp' of chambers going up, etc.
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  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    you dont have to drop res towers to check where the hive is, you can look at the RT's smoke puffs. a capped rt doesnt put out any smoke puffs, whether you can see the RT or not <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> so look for white stuff ad youll have found an empty node. the hive without an empty node is their starting hive.

    solution: turn off particle effect sprites for commander view?
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  • boobs!boobs! Old-School Competitor Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8504Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--lazygamer+Aug 9 2003, 07:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lazygamer @ Aug 9 2003, 07:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How is he being a troll? He's posting the word "sad". This could be him agreeing with Monkeybonk, or dissing him.

    No offense Grendel, but you are a playtest lead, not a mod. I mean sure you could PM a mod, but still... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    you really dont want to see Grendel get mad at you, sure hes "only a playtest lead" hes also a disgruntled soldier somewhere in europe devising ways to kill us all with witty banter. honestly he is. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
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