Helpless Inside The Onos' Belly

Angry_PenguinsAngry_Penguins Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19273Members
I've been playing v.2 for a while now on a active server called Freaks Unleashed. I've tried to post this in the suggestions area but it's closed so.

In version 2 I've been eaten quite a few times by Onos' at different times of the game, I'd usually damage the Onos but as a common strategy the aliens would have more than one Onos and have them stick together and I'd eventually get eaten. Well I don't think I'm the only one that this has happened to and it will keep happening. One thing that has come up multiple times is people saying that would should be able to attack the Onos from the inside but with little damage helping out our comrades on the outside. I personnally think that we should be able to knife from the inside.

Another thing that a good portion of the players find unfair is the redemption. I like it my self and have done it but not on purpose is eating a guy and getting redeemed to the hive but then I'll go back and start fighting again. Though some others dont do this they'll go through with redemption and eat a guy then get redeemed to the hive and wait untill the guy is swallowed!

One more thing before I post is people will do nothing at the beginning and save for onos (attack and attack earning money) and then rush the marine start as Onos as by this time some one has already built the hive and it has finished and the game is over in less than 6 minutes.

On the footnote I don't know if it's been suggested or not but since v1.4 for the aliens alot of people have wanted the ability to give up their minerals to another alien player so he/she could build a defense or hive or evolve.

Could their be something done for atleast the top 2 suggestions?

Comments

  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    Redeeming (!) oni (!) are being treaked in beta patches so they might not be able to redeem (!) while digesting in later versions.

    All other oni complaints can be forced by jetpacks and teamwork.
  • MrPinkMrPink Join Date: 2002-05-28 Member: 678Members
    edited August 2003
    Have common sense please. If you are an onos would you really use devour if you were guarenteed to take a good amount of damage?

    Also, you say you wish you could donate res, but you also complain about onos showing up so early...If you could donate res, 3 people donate their starting res to one person, onos in <10 seconds.
  • altairianaltairian Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17459Members
    depends...if it's a heavy i'm going to devour, then yes i'll risk taking a lot of damage in order to devour him. otherwise i just gore them 2 or 3 times and walk out <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SpobSpob Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15166Members
    minerals, money, bleh. anyways thats all been mentioned and the redemption is being fixed so u cant redemt while eating.
  • cheesehoundcheesehound Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18826Members
    edited August 2003
    The suggestion forum is closed for a reason <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->.

    Anyhow, charging as an onos and redeeming after eating someone is a llama tactic which, while I'd like to see it disabled, is far less efficient than just beating the crap out of everything with other upgrades.

    [as far as 'fixing' it, there's no need to penalize people for digesting when you can just have 'em cough up the marine when they redeem.]
  • Juchel_ZeroJuchel_Zero Join Date: 2003-07-14 Member: 18155Members
    Well the only thing I would like is to be able to see the outside of the onos while being digested so its not as boring inside. But i don't thing it would be good because it would reveal their strategy.
  • SinSpawnSinSpawn Harbinger of Suffering Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8359Members
    I hear the qoute alot "you should be able to hurt onos when being devoured" thats just stupid

    Think of it like this
    I.E

    you eat a insect, k
    the insect won't attack you as IT IS BEING DIGESTED by your stomach acids with would kill it.

    Now use the onos, Onos eats you and devours you in one of its 4 stomachs, the acid would dissovle your gun and whatever touches it I.E hands <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> you can't attack, and you be dead

    Yay thats the end of "you SHOULD be able to attack onos when being devoured" BUT you can't <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Big_Chief_Brown_BottomBig_Chief_Brown_Bottom Join Date: 2003-01-22 Member: 12584Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--SinSpawn+Aug 9 2003, 06:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SinSpawn @ Aug 9 2003, 06:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hear the qoute alot "you should be able to hurt onos when being devoured" thats just stupid

    Think of it like this
    I.E

    you eat a insect, k
    the insect won't attack you as IT IS BEING DIGESTED by your stomach acids with would kill it.

    Now use the onos, Onos eats you and devours you in one of its 4 stomachs, the acid would dissovle your gun and whatever touches it I.E hands <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> you can't attack, and you be dead

    Yay thats the end of "you SHOULD be able to attack onos when being devoured" BUT you can't <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    but he doesn't digest your gun. when he finishes digesting you the marine pops out (magically out of no apparent orifice) along with his gun which can be picked up. a more plausible explanation would be that you can't do anything because his stomach muscles are constricting you
  • MonkeybonkMonkeybonk Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18859Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Big Chief Brown Bottom+Aug 9 2003, 06:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Big Chief Brown Bottom @ Aug 9 2003, 06:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    but he doesn't digest your gun. when he finishes digesting you the marine pops out (magically out of no apparent orifice) along with his gun which can be picked up. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Look harder...
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Still, devour is supposed to be a useful ability. It's already penalized by moving slower (and for a non-celerity Onos, that's really slow). If you can knife inside the Onos, that's more than thirty points of damage a second. Consider how long it takes to digest a healthy rine, this could result in quite a few Onos dying from eating a vanilla marine, which is NOT the point. Redemption is being nerfed, so calm down.
    On another note, redemption is also one of the reasons why it takes so long to crack the turret-filled marine bases in the endgame. The Onos runs in, devours a rine, is redeemed away and is out of the fight for quite a while. What he SHOULD do is run in, kill a turret, run out, regen back to health, repeat. If the rines start blasting him with shotguns or hmgs, stomp and devour. Marines can't keep up with this.
  • Angry_PenguinsAngry_Penguins Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19273Members
    doh! sorry to mention one thing about the donating the resources to other aliens others have also said that the alien team shouldn't be able to get the onos until after 10 or so minutes. This is because a player gets the 1 to 3 resources per each kill well some players go out and and attack and attack and are good and get 100 minerals in 2 or threee minutes from just killing marines then go onos.
  • includeinclude aka RpTheHotrod Dallas, TX Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12027Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    You'd still be able to pull the trigger, but you may not be able to aim the gun.
  • DeronokDeronok Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14613Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Angry_Penguins+Aug 11 2003, 05:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Angry_Penguins @ Aug 11 2003, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> doh! sorry to mention one thing about the donating the resources to other aliens others have also said that the alien team shouldn't be able to get the onos until after 10 or so minutes. This is because a player gets the 1 to 3 resources per each kill well some players go out and and attack and attack and are good and get 100 minerals in 2 or threee minutes from just killing marines then go onos. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dude in 10 min most marine teams are usually stocking up on HA, Also, skulks are usually VERY easy prey if you can aim.
  • ZerogreatZerogreat Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10537Members
    Jetpacks are best way to deal with onos (althrough in 2.0 they can barely hold me in air compared to 1.0x). When onos is running at you, just go in air and fly to some safe position or some way from the onos and while doing all this, shoot at it.
  • R7X3R7X3 Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8395Members
    Nerfing isnt the answer, using your brain is.

    Okay, here comes an onos, so what are you gonna do? run at him shooting? just stand there shooting at him?

    you do realize that the ono's devour often does NOT work, and it sucks up alot of energy to keep attempting to devour, so how do we defeat devour?

    1. Dont rambo, come on this is basic stuff, you should be with the group when out wandering around the map, when in a group, the onos is really more likely to charge or gore, looking for quick elimination of enemys.

    2. see onos? look for things to hide behind, or in, vents work if you are far enough inside them, also, if you have a comm chair, or TF nearby, stand a little bit behind that, so the onos has to come around or over it.
    I've seen alot of onii who dont jump at all, so you can play ring around the res with them til they redeem.

    3. stop whining about being bored inside the onos if you do get devoured.
    oh big deal, you got taken out of the action for 30 seconds, its not like a small break is going to send you into shock.

    and yeah I've been devoured by onii at full HP before, yes it does take a while before you get out, but you should just sit back and get a drink and a sammich, not start screaming "k1ll this f46 0n0!111" and being all stressed the hell out.
  • JoltGrisJoltGris Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11143Members
    The whole point with Devour is to effectivly remove a player for a short time
    Getting damage from that doesn't seemn effective to me
  • mojojojomojojojo Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2017Members
    What would be the point of attacking from inside the Onos? Wouldn't repeatedly hitting the attack button be as dull as not being able to do anything?

    I think be able to see might be a better idea, just to make it less boring. Don't think it would really reveal that much strategy either.
  • JoltGrisJoltGris Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11143Members
    Play snake inside onos <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • AegeriAegeri Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13486Members
    Incidently, it is worth noting when an onos redeems with a marine inside them you can see everything around the onos by pressing 'c' (or the map). Quite useful as it told me what all the aliens were and where they were <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • includeinclude aka RpTheHotrod Dallas, TX Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12027Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    how about a 20% chance to puke the marine out before he's digested? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--#include+Aug 11 2003, 11:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (#include @ Aug 11 2003, 11:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You'd still be able to pull the trigger, but you may not be able to aim the gun. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You're <b>inside it's stomach</b>, you're completely surrounded by stomach and various other body bits. If you missed, you deserved to be devoured <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Hologram0Hologram0 Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9303Members, Constellation
    Onii have been nerfed big time, a group of 3 marines with some damage upgrades should be able to take out an onos (if the onos had to close a distance gap) I reccomend a shot gun or 2 or some other upgraded wepons and an onos will have to run away quickly. If he devours one of your players that makes it easier because he looses alot of speed and you can dodge it while your team takes it down. You are not supposed to rambo an onos even with ha/hmg
  • StoneburgStoneburg Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
    Realistically it is not like you have a whole basketball court in there to jump around and knife in. You're probably smothered like a gnu being eaten by an anaconda.

    That takes care of the "I should be able to" argument from a "realism" viewpoint, the gameplay viewpoint is rather obvious.
  • MeLeNkOMeLeNkO Join Date: 2003-04-06 Member: 15240Members
    hmm just been eat by an onos and ur in his tummy maybe ur guns were swalled too....


    people think come on u will be unable to move in an onos lol
  • TyrainTyrain Join Date: 2003-01-03 Member: 11746Members
    I would really love to see HLTV while I'm digesting. It's not that boring anymore. (and no you can't see the alien strategy.)
  • woodwood Join Date: 2003-08-06 Member: 19065Members
    dont have a problem with devour or redemption

    is it cheesy? maybe but i seen turret farms which can kill a carapaced onos with celerity in under 3 seconds. Without redemp the game would drag on.

    i also seen multiple GLs being used to stalemate games, should that be nerfed also?

    in the end Aliens work together, aliens win, Marines work together, marines win. About the main whining i seen so far is from Rambo marines who want their FlightPack and Hmgs to rambo hives again..
  • MasterEvilAceMasterEvilAce Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10268Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    in most games, marines don't have HA or JP... sometimes HA, but never both...

    so onos are pretty much unstoppable i guess (since jetpacks are supposed to be the counter... :/ )

    I'd suggest combining two ideas..

    1) If an onos redeems, the marine falls out of the onos

    2) the marine can knife from the inside, causing some damage



    thus, you can attack the onos, and if the onos doesn't heal, then he might eventually redeem, causing you to be freed (with low health)


    this could also help your teammates, a bit, to take out the onos.
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