When In Doubt....

RatRat Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11486Members
edited August 2003 in NS General Discussion
Hi, my name is Rat. I've been around NS for quite some time, but you'll be hard-pressed to find one of my posts on this forum. I post quite regularly on other forums, yet for some reason I find myself posting almost never here. Mostly the reason lies in the fact that I'm here to learn what I can from the discussion around me. 1.04 got stagnant for me quite some time ago, so I stopped playing until the new version, yet I continued to troll the forums every so often to see what was going on. Some of you out there may remember playing with #nsradio|rat at some point, or maybe Rat[BFR], but that was some time ago. One thing that I always enjoyed about this forum was its intolerance. Intolerance is what keeps this place clean. It's a very specific intolerance, and that is the intolerance for rudeness, idiocy and inciteful behavior. I've adminned various servers before (though not for NS), and it is that self-same intolerance that made those servers great.

Now, for a while, I've been a member of the <a href='http://www.tfproject.org' target='_blank'>Tilted Forum Project</a> community, and the first thing that stuck me was its charter. It had the single best bit of advice I've ever seen for an online forum, and I guess it's worth sharing here.

When in doubt, use your back button. It's on the browser for a reason, and it is meant to be used. If you find yourself directed to a random webpage during your regular surfing, and you find it is not someplace you would care to be, you generally <i>hit your back button</i>. The same holds true when it comes to participating on an online forum. If you enter a thread, and find that you are frustrated, angered, or simply annoyed by its content, odds are you should <i>hit your back button</i>. That is not to say that disagreements should not arise and discussions/argumentation should not occur--especially when it comes to improving this game so much of us dedicate large times to playing and participating in. However, if you fail to find something to contribute to any sort of conversation that is <i>meaningful and worthwhile</i>, then rather than saying "gg nub" or "quit whining" or "SUYF," quite simply <i>hit your back button</i>. You would be surprised how well this works.

Another great feature is the <i>Preview Post</i> button, another great function of an online forum. Many times as we type, we get caught up on a train of thought that moves more quickly than the fingers of our hands, and we end up with typos or sentences that make no sense. That's fine, and understandable. But there are other times, when our emotions take the reins and run roughshod over our judgement and tact, and we end up flaming. Now dont get me wrong, there are times when I love a good flamewar, and I've been known to insight them (though not here as I almost never post). However, seeing as Flayra and the crew find these little conflagrations to be counterproductive, the <i>Preview Post</i> button comes in quite handy. The written word lacks all the nonverbal cues of human communication, along with tone of voice and cadence of delivery and emphasis on certain words.

Therefore, if you're participating in a rather heated discussion, and both sides have begun to get rather touchy over certain particulars, above all, either <i>hit your back button</i> or use the <i>Preview Post</i> button. It saves the admins and mods quite a bit of hassle (trust me, I've been a moderator, and it can be hell) and smooths out their day. They browse these forums with intent to participate, and I don't mean by locking threads or banning people. They want to have fun and discuss this great game and the community that has sprung up around it.

I know this got a little long winded, and perhaps, even a bit preachy. That was sort of my intent, as those that read this whole post may have a little different outlook by the end. I'm not perfect, and expect perfection from no one. However, there's no reason to make life any more difficult for myself or others than it has to be. If you'd care to chat with me, find me at <b>#nsradio, #evolutionarily, #sicklemoon, #gamesnet, #twilighteclipse, #naturalselection, #syn</b> or <b>#redemption on irc.gamesnet.net</b>, on the <a href='http://www.evolutionarily.org' target='_blank'>http://www.evolutionarily.org</a> forums, or game with me on the <b>207.44.184.62:27015 Twilight Eclipse Uber NS 2.0 - CD opt server</b> or the <b>212.23.5.49:27025 Play Zen : NS v2.00 (Nano Redux) serer</b>


Thanks for reading this,

Rat

Comments

  • greyfox5greyfox5 Join Date: 2002-02-14 Member: 217Members
    Wow...not even one reply yet....
    Me first!

    This topic should be stickied in my opinion...its very good.
    Also another thing that should be followed...
    <i>If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it!</i>
    <i>Treat others like you would want to be treated</i>

    Very nice topic.
  • GrimmGrimm Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15448Members
    edited August 2003
    I agree, adding your own enraged comments only helps to stoke the flames (literally and figureatively), and that doesn't help anything.
  • DXODXO The one... the only... Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12894Members, NS1 Playtester
    i like you already <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RatRat Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11486Members
    Thanks for the positive input guys. 82 views and three replies means it might just have had the effect intended. DXO, is FroMaestro still around w/ cX? I haven't seen in him in maybe 6 months thanks to real life stealing me from NS for quite some time. Also, is it #clan-cx for y'alls IRC chan?
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    This is a good idea in theory, but how many people are actualy going to practise it? Sure, a small minority will, but without any real way to enforce this....
  • RatRat Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11486Members
    i <3 mrmojo. the key to enforcing this practice lies in the beautiful intolerance I was speaking of earlier. When this place gets to the point where any flame is stamped out, and stamped out <b>hard</b> if it's not the first time someone's done it, then people will eventually learn little things like <i>judgement</i> and <i>tact</i>. Not all forums need to adminned/moderated as strictly as the general forum (ie, off topic forums that have nothing to do w/ NS), however, in the main forum, when you have a LOT of people arguing, and nothing productive being said, you're wasting server space and bandwidth while honestly contributing nothing more to the community than if you'd say "blahblahblahblahblahblahblah" for ten pages in a thread. You know you love me mojo <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Dont make me get on Zen and bite your ankles :>
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    Pfft, from what I remember, it was me owning it you <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->


    Anywho, how do you plan to "stamp out" flames? Ban people, edit their posts, what?
  • RatRat Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11486Members
    that's up for flayra/mods/admins to choose, but editing first go round, and then either short ban from forums or amputation <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TheRandomSinTheRandomSin Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5571Members
    Good idea. I use it all the time here already.

    (PS: my bros' alias is rat. :/ )
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Oooh, good stuff. I completely agree with hitting Preview Post first. I've long-ago made it standard practice to ALWAYS do that and read my post before making it. Also catches scripting errors. Also, if there's something you find really offensive, "Report this post" is your friend. Gets the thing locked, and that's it.
    And as for getting the people to practise it, it's most important that the regulars do. They are the ones creating most of the posts, and they are thus the ones that will save the admins a lot of trouble by behaving.
  • ZeoZeo Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13224Members
    "#nsradio|rat" eh? You nicked my heavy armor recently <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Good post. I wish replies would automatically go to preview mode, before being set in stone. Sure theres the edit button, but when someone gets really ticked off due to emotions, it usually stays that way until a mod can see to it. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RatRat Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11486Members
    24 hours old, and this was on the fifth page. i guess this sort of idea is not for this place. sorry for taking up time and thread space with a futile attempt to help out around here. I guess if i wanted posts or even people to read this, i'd have to title it "OMFGZ ROFLMAOHAXLOLOLOLOLOBBQ 2.0 BALANCE SI TEH PWNZORED"


    sigh.
  • SpectrulusSpectrulus Join Date: 2003-08-15 Member: 19731Members
    lol. At least there a few sensible people on these forums. That should be a sticky. GJ <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    meh rat, you pretty much did choose a non-descript topic title. I knew what it was, and I still missed it the first time through (had to look for your name)
  • laggerlagger Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1805Members
    Erm, syn and te are not clans anymore. I dont think their irc's are active :/.
  • n4s7yn4s7y Join Date: 2003-04-18 Member: 15627Members
    I see nothing wrong with the forums.

    Did you expect a revolution?
  • Cry_HavocCry_Havoc Join Date: 2003-01-22 Member: 12593Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Grimm+Aug 17 2003, 02:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grimm @ Aug 17 2003, 02:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I agree, adding your own enraged comments only helps to stoke the flames (literally and figureatively), and that doesn't help anything. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Literally?

    <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RatRat Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11486Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--lagger+Aug 19 2003, 02:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lagger @ Aug 19 2003, 02:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Erm, syn and te are not clans anymore. I dont think their irc's are active :/. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    #syn still has people that talk, mingle, etc in it

    and #twilighteclipse is still run by Golex, and their 2.0 server is full most of the day. come on by <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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