<!--QuoteBegin--Wookie nookie is the best nookie+Aug 19 2003, 11:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wookie nookie is the best nookie @ Aug 19 2003, 11:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> look, if you spent all the time and money you did on a computer game, i think its time you got a little reality check. try doing something with your friends, take up a sport, get a hobby. or at the very least maybe try a new game. you're addicted dude. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i just wana find out how to fix this vac 'misplaced' ban so i can play hl muti cs dod and ns 2.1 when it comes out <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> howd u like to get banned from vac for 5 years and know you wont be able to play ns when its new patch comes out <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Barney's Soul+Aug 20 2003, 12:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Barney's Soul @ Aug 20 2003, 12:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i just wana find out how to fix this vac 'misplaced' ban so i can play hl muti cs dod and ns 2.1 when it comes out <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> howd u like to get banned from vac for 5 years and know you wont be able to play ns when its new patch comes out <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> you tell them about it.
And to be perfectly honest, even if it happens to me, I'd go talk to the company before whining about in on a game forum. VAC can't be that bad, look at how many servers still run it. If it was this nasty plague that was destroying CS servers, then why is the game still the most popular out there? Don't say it is because of C-D; I've played on 2 C-D servers of CS, and they're hard to come by.
<!--QuoteBegin--Speed 2 Dave+Aug 20 2003, 12:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Speed 2 Dave @ Aug 20 2003, 12:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Barney's Soul+Aug 20 2003, 12:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Barney's Soul @ Aug 20 2003, 12:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i just wana find out how to fix this vac 'misplaced' ban so i can play hl muti cs dod and ns 2.1 when it comes out <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> howd u like to get banned from vac for 5 years and know you wont be able to play ns when its new patch comes out <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you tell them about it.
And to be perfectly honest, even if it happens to me, I'd go talk to the company before whining about in on a game forum. VAC can't be that bad, look at how many servers still run it. If it was this nasty plague that was destroying CS servers, then why is the game still the most popular out there? Don't say it is because of C-D; I've played on 2 C-D servers of CS, and they're hard to come by. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> how many times do i haf to say this, i already did contact the compney, they dint reply so plz give some new solution that can help :/
<!--QuoteBegin--Barney's Soul+Aug 20 2003, 02:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Barney's Soul @ Aug 20 2003, 02:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> how many times do i haf to say this, i already did contact the compney, they dint reply so plz give some new solution that can help :/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> contact the right person? Start in Tech support?
Barney... Things don't happen automaticly. There are roughly 60000 people playing HL at any one time. Probably a couple millon copies sold. They handle complaints and requests as they get them. There amount of people playing the game is not the same amount as the tech support people. They get a lot of questions, if they don't reply, try again. As for vac, I'm gonna say the same thing that my clan says to people who want us to take off C-D just for them. the NS team will not remove this feature and have hackers running rampant, just so you can play. Its better that we stop hacks now (80% of hacks for NS are VAC dectected) so that the majority of people playing NS can still play and enjoy it than to have the feature taken out to please a minority.
<!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Aug 18 2003, 09:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Aug 18 2003, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> VAC is going in. Half-Life costs $10 brand new. Buy a new copy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> All I see on the shelves in stores is Half-Life bundled with like, 30 mods so they can still charge $60 for it. It's called, like, "Game of the Platnium Edition" or something.
<!--QuoteBegin--Barney's Soul+Aug 20 2003, 01:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Barney's Soul @ Aug 20 2003, 01:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--EKS+Aug 19 2003, 05:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EKS @ Aug 19 2003, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> EricS@valvesoftware.com is the e-mail they want to be contacted on. And unless your you have a good resason for why you where falsely banned. Or there was a VAC bug at the time of the ban. I would agree with Valve that you should be remained banned. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> remain banned!!! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> but i dont cheat. if i cheated and got banned this topic wount exist. i emailed epic and got no reply <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> help plz<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Consider this, Valve replyes to 99% of all e-mails. I have e-mailed them so many times its not even funny. But for some reason they wont reply to you, im guessing the problem is you. or the way you write the e-mails. Considering the fact that i allready gave a clear idea on what you should do. And im guessing you dident. Download CS 1.6, and play that. Its free, yes greedy valve lets us play CS 1.6 +valve mods for free.
<!--QuoteBegin--WarpZone+Aug 20 2003, 07:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WarpZone @ Aug 20 2003, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Aug 18 2003, 09:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Aug 18 2003, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> VAC is going in. Half-Life costs $10 brand new. Buy a new copy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> All I see on the shelves in stores is Half-Life bundled with like, 30 mods so they can still charge $60 for it. It's called, like, "Game of the Platnium Edition" or something.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dunno what stores you have checked. Just by a HL addon like, blue shift. They normaly include 2 keys. For like 15$ last time i checked.
[WGF]Sabre: There has been weeks since the last CD update, and UA has problems with keeping it updated. Since its requires alot of work, and everyone there works on their own free time.
And i have to say. If i could choose between VAC that catches 95% of all cheaters or CD that catches 99% i would choose VAC. Becuse VAC bannes them. With CD all the cheater has to do download a new cheat, and try again. Never getting banned, its not gonna stop cheaters if there are no consequence for cheating.
<!--QuoteBegin--JimBowen+Aug 19 2003, 01:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JimBowen @ Aug 19 2003, 01:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Mobay+Aug 19 2003, 06:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mobay @ Aug 19 2003, 06:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> IF VAC banned you!, YOU Were cheating! if not, you had parts of "deleted" cheats....
Go Buy a new licence! And stop the cheating! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This statement is tottaly incorrect and has been invented by you. VAC does not look at what is on your hard drive, and therfore wont find "parts" of old cheats. VAC scans your memory and looks at what outside programs are attempting to hook into HL. this was the cause of the whole winamp problem.
Also it does just ban people for no apparent reason. I know myself because I was banned whilst playing DOD. Ive heard that it was only a few modules that cause this problem, and it had been mostly erradicated now, but im not sure how true this is, personally I would use CD and regularly visit the UA site and tell them how good they are, because the more people supporting them, the more updates we get <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Random bans are unbanned as soon as they _KNOW_ its is a bug! Until nothing is proved, your a cheater!
Don't try and play smart, and say, "ohh! VAC banned me, and i wasen't cheating and never did, it must have been a bug!!"
<!--QuoteBegin--Mobay+Aug 21 2003, 06:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mobay @ Aug 21 2003, 06:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--JimBowen+Aug 19 2003, 01:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JimBowen @ Aug 19 2003, 01:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Mobay+Aug 19 2003, 06:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mobay @ Aug 19 2003, 06:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> IF VAC banned you!, YOU Were cheating! if not, you had parts of "deleted" cheats....
Go Buy a new licence! And stop the cheating! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This statement is tottaly incorrect and has been invented by you. VAC does not look at what is on your hard drive, and therfore wont find "parts" of old cheats. VAC scans your memory and looks at what outside programs are attempting to hook into HL. this was the cause of the whole winamp problem.
Also it does just ban people for no apparent reason. I know myself because I was banned whilst playing DOD. Ive heard that it was only a few modules that cause this problem, and it had been mostly erradicated now, but im not sure how true this is, personally I would use CD and regularly visit the UA site and tell them how good they are, because the more people supporting them, the more updates we get <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Random bans are unbanned as soon as they _KNOW_ its is a bug! Until nothing is proved, your a cheater!
Don't try and play smart, and say, "ohh! VAC banned me, and i wasen't cheating and never did, it must have been a bug!!"
Get real, cut the crap! You where cheating!!!
99% of VAC bans are correct! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And in the 1% of bans that are not correct it simply isn't good enough to say "you were cheating". My advice is to e-mail as many people at Valve as possible, stating clearly and concisely (and politely) what happened, when, where and give specific details about the server/mod/your OS.
Be polite, but firm.
<!--QuoteBegin--EKS+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EKS)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And i have to say. If i could choose between VAC that catches 95% of all cheaters or CD that catches 99% i would choose VAC. Becuse VAC bannes them. With CD all the cheater has to do download a new cheat, and try again. Never getting banned, its not gonna stop cheaters if there are no consequence for cheating. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I can't concur with your opinion here: Server admins are THE front line anti-cheaters out there. We are the ones who decide: a) how we handle our servers b) how we handle cheaters and c) what is regarded as "cheating".
Clearly cheats that you download that plug in to HL giving you advantages over other players are labelled as cheats. There is a plethora of other things we can consider as cheats though, certain HL scripts, modified sprites, just to name two that are sometimes labelled so (please note I am making no comment here on whether I think these are cheats or not).
It is the job of the server admin to run the server in a way that they see fit. I run the server with CD required. If it still looks as though someone may be cheating, I and the other admins on Roob's No Time For Muppets server (see sig) will ask for a demo from that player. We consult each other closely on any matters regarding cheating, and we aim to have an admin on the server for greater than 90% of the time there are people playing, with admins contactable for the remainder.
Trust the server admins to run our servers in the manner to which you have become accustomed. Why? Because we pay for the servers, we put our own money and time into them so that people like you can still play FREE. That means we have "vested interest" - making us more passionate about keeping our servers clean even than you are.
If you can't trust the admins to do that, you need to find a better server.
"Barney's Soul" spend more time reformatting your system and DONT CHEAT AGAIN... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Mobay+Aug 22 2003, 01:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mobay @ Aug 22 2003, 01:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In a time with so manny cheaters! why risk unbanning? Go buy a new cdkey and help stopping the cheaters! I don't care if it random bannes!
I play on VAC servers 5+ hours a day, and i never had problems with VAC! stop the whine, buy new key! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Some people don't want to spare 20 dollars to buy Half-Life.
Also, stores DO want to trick you by making you buy the Half-Life: Platinum Edition! thing for like 60.
60, just because VAC randomly bans? What if that is banned, too? 120 dollars, that could buy 240 tacos at Jack in the Box.
You are being completely unreasonable. According to a forumgoer who browses cheating sites, the cheats crash when they try to access the menu, so cheats don't really exist in NS, yet.
<!--QuoteBegin--Birdy+Aug 22 2003, 10:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Birdy @ Aug 22 2003, 10:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeh the experts that steal GPL source, use it as their own and hide it by compressing it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> owned tbh.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeh the experts that steal GPL source, use it as their own and hide it by compressing it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm trying to figure out how this can be proven. Even if it's true, isn't it worth betraying the GPL, just so cheaters can't beat CD easier by viewing it's source?
I personally am uncomfortable with VAC. Can it be disabled server side? Wouldn't it have to be, if the server wanted to run CD?
If the creators decide to sue UA it isn't worth betraying <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I like vac more IMO. Vac makes sure that cheaters stay away forever unlike cheating death.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If the creators decide to sue UA it isn't worth betraying<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well I'm talking about principles, not lawsuits. And it's probably BS that they ripped stuff off. How could that be proven? Can I at least see several sources who claim this?
See what's really scary about VAC is that it's penalties are harsh(5 year bans for first time offenses?), there is uncertainty about it's reliability(beyond messing up because of bugs), and that this might be in Half-life 2.
It could all be FUD by cheaters and clueless people, but how can it be proven either way?
Does CD work? Well, when you've played on NS CD servers, how rampant has cheating been? NS is not currently a cheat filled wasteland, so Flayra is not adding VAC to save his mod from certain death, remember that...
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i just wana find out how to fix this vac 'misplaced' ban so i can play hl muti cs dod and ns 2.1 when it comes out <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> howd u like to get banned from vac for 5 years and know you wont be able to play ns when its new patch comes out <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
you tell them about it.
And to be perfectly honest, even if it happens to me, I'd go talk to the company before whining about in on a game forum. VAC can't be that bad, look at how many servers still run it. If it was this nasty plague that was destroying CS servers, then why is the game still the most popular out there? Don't say it is because of C-D; I've played on 2 C-D servers of CS, and they're hard to come by.
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you tell them about it.
And to be perfectly honest, even if it happens to me, I'd go talk to the company before whining about in on a game forum. VAC can't be that bad, look at how many servers still run it. If it was this nasty plague that was destroying CS servers, then why is the game still the most popular out there? Don't say it is because of C-D; I've played on 2 C-D servers of CS, and they're hard to come by. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
how many times do i haf to say this, i already did contact the compney, they dint reply so plz give some new solution that can help :/
contact the right person? Start in Tech support?
There are roughly 60000 people playing HL at any one time. Probably a couple millon copies sold. They handle complaints and requests as they get them. There amount of people playing the game is not the same amount as the tech support people. They get a lot of questions, if they don't reply, try again. As for vac, I'm gonna say the same thing that my clan says to people who want us to take off C-D just for them.
the NS team will not remove this feature and have hackers running rampant, just so you can play. Its better that we stop hacks now (80% of hacks for NS are VAC dectected) so that the majority of people playing NS can still play and enjoy it than to have the feature taken out to please a minority.
All I see on the shelves in stores is Half-Life bundled with like, 30 mods so they can still charge $60 for it. It's called, like, "Game of the Platnium Edition" or something.
remain banned!!! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> but i dont cheat. if i cheated and got banned this topic wount exist. i emailed epic and got no reply <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> help plz<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Consider this, Valve replyes to 99% of all e-mails. I have e-mailed them so many times its not even funny. But for some reason they wont reply to you, im guessing the problem is you. or the way you write the e-mails.
Considering the fact that i allready gave a clear idea on what you should do. And im guessing you dident.
Download CS 1.6, and play that. Its free, yes greedy valve lets us play CS 1.6 +valve mods for free.
<!--QuoteBegin--WarpZone+Aug 20 2003, 07:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WarpZone @ Aug 20 2003, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Aug 18 2003, 09:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Aug 18 2003, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> VAC is going in. Half-Life costs $10 brand new. Buy a new copy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
All I see on the shelves in stores is Half-Life bundled with like, 30 mods so they can still charge $60 for it. It's called, like, "Game of the Platnium Edition" or something.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dunno what stores you have checked. Just by a HL addon like, blue shift. They normaly include 2 keys. For like 15$ last time i checked.
[WGF]Sabre: There has been weeks since the last CD update, and UA has problems with keeping it updated. Since its requires alot of work, and everyone there works on their own free time.
And i have to say. If i could choose between VAC that catches 95% of all cheaters or CD that catches 99% i would choose VAC. Becuse VAC bannes them.
With CD all the cheater has to do download a new cheat, and try again. Never getting banned, its not gonna stop cheaters if there are no consequence for cheating.
Go Buy a new licence! And stop the cheating! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This statement is tottaly incorrect and has been invented by you. VAC does not look at what is on your hard drive, and therfore wont find "parts" of old cheats. VAC scans your memory and looks at what outside programs are attempting to hook into HL. this was the cause of the whole winamp problem.
Also it does just ban people for no apparent reason. I know myself because I was banned whilst playing DOD. Ive heard that it was only a few modules that cause this problem, and it had been mostly erradicated now, but im not sure how true this is, personally I would use CD and regularly visit the UA site and tell them how good they are, because the more people supporting them, the more updates we get <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Random bans are unbanned as soon as they _KNOW_ its is a bug!
Until nothing is proved, your a cheater!
Don't try and play smart, and say, "ohh! VAC banned me, and i wasen't cheating and never did, it must have been a bug!!"
Get real, cut the crap! You where cheating!!!
99% of VAC bans are correct!
Go Buy a new licence! And stop the cheating! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This statement is tottaly incorrect and has been invented by you. VAC does not look at what is on your hard drive, and therfore wont find "parts" of old cheats. VAC scans your memory and looks at what outside programs are attempting to hook into HL. this was the cause of the whole winamp problem.
Also it does just ban people for no apparent reason. I know myself because I was banned whilst playing DOD. Ive heard that it was only a few modules that cause this problem, and it had been mostly erradicated now, but im not sure how true this is, personally I would use CD and regularly visit the UA site and tell them how good they are, because the more people supporting them, the more updates we get <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Random bans are unbanned as soon as they _KNOW_ its is a bug!
Until nothing is proved, your a cheater!
Don't try and play smart, and say, "ohh! VAC banned me, and i wasen't cheating and never did, it must have been a bug!!"
Get real, cut the crap! You where cheating!!!
99% of VAC bans are correct! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And in the 1% of bans that are not correct it simply isn't good enough to say "you were cheating". My advice is to e-mail as many people at Valve as possible, stating clearly and concisely (and politely) what happened, when, where and give specific details about the server/mod/your OS.
Be polite, but firm.
<!--QuoteBegin--EKS+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EKS)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And i have to say. If i could choose between VAC that catches 95% of all cheaters or CD that catches 99% i would choose VAC. Becuse VAC bannes them.
With CD all the cheater has to do download a new cheat, and try again. Never getting banned, its not gonna stop cheaters if there are no consequence for cheating. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can't concur with your opinion here: Server admins are THE front line anti-cheaters out there. We are the ones who decide:
a) how we handle our servers
b) how we handle cheaters
and c) what is regarded as "cheating".
Clearly cheats that you download that plug in to HL giving you advantages over other players are labelled as cheats. There is a plethora of other things we can consider as cheats though, certain HL scripts, modified sprites, just to name two that are sometimes labelled so (please note I am making no comment here on whether I think these are cheats or not).
It is the job of the server admin to run the server in a way that they see fit. I run the server with CD required. If it still looks as though someone may be cheating, I and the other admins on Roob's No Time For Muppets server (see sig) will ask for a demo from that player. We consult each other closely on any matters regarding cheating, and we aim to have an admin on the server for greater than 90% of the time there are people playing, with admins contactable for the remainder.
Trust the server admins to run our servers in the manner to which you have become accustomed. Why? Because we pay for the servers, we put our own money and time into them so that people like you can still play FREE. That means we have "vested interest" - making us more passionate about keeping our servers clean even than you are.
If you can't trust the admins to do that, you need to find a better server.
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I don't care if it random bannes!
I play on VAC servers 5+ hours a day, and i never had problems with VAC! stop the whine, buy new key!
I use CD in required mode on my server but I have nothing against VAC.... I've never been banned by VAC and I play a lot on secure servers (DoD)...
BTW a while ago VAC stopped banning users with memory corruption problems (which can be due to cheats or faulty hardware) and just kicks'em..
I don't care if it random bannes!
I play on VAC servers 5+ hours a day, and i never had problems with VAC! stop the whine, buy new key! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Some people don't want to spare 20 dollars to buy Half-Life.
Also, stores DO want to trick you by making you buy the Half-Life: Platinum Edition! thing for like 60.
60, just because VAC randomly bans? What if that is banned, too? 120 dollars, that could buy 240 tacos at Jack in the Box.
You are being completely unreasonable. According to a forumgoer who browses cheating sites, the cheats crash when they try to access the menu, so cheats don't really exist in NS, yet.
However, they SUCK at cheat detection. Leave it to the experts (UA).
(my 2 copper pieces)
owned tbh.
I'm trying to figure out how this can be proven. Even if it's true, isn't it worth betraying the GPL, just so cheaters can't beat CD easier by viewing it's source?
I personally am uncomfortable with VAC. Can it be disabled server side? Wouldn't it have to be, if the server wanted to run CD?
I like vac more IMO.
Vac makes sure that cheaters stay away forever unlike cheating death.
oh also yes like all people concerned about being banned for no reason cause of annoyance and suspicion persued thereon.
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Well I'm talking about principles, not lawsuits. And it's probably BS that they ripped stuff off. How could that be proven? Can I at least see several sources who claim this?
See what's really scary about VAC is that it's penalties are harsh(5 year bans for first time offenses?), there is uncertainty about it's reliability(beyond messing up because of bugs), and that this might be in Half-life 2.
It could all be FUD by cheaters and clueless people, but how can it be proven either way?
Does CD work? Well, when you've played on NS CD servers, how rampant has cheating been? NS is not currently a cheat filled wasteland, so Flayra is not adding VAC to save his mod from certain death, remember that...