<!--QuoteBegin--Bo Selecta+Aug 20 2003, 02:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bo Selecta @ Aug 20 2003, 02:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Venetian Snares sounds like... the **** child of hardcore and IDM o_O... ..waait a minute... is this what "breakcore" sounds like?
... *edit* LOL @ filter... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's breakcore alright. Venetian snares and Xanopticon represent the extreme of breakcore scene. Somewhat less chaotic artists of the genere are Hecate, Needle Sharing, Fanny (whom I find rather boring and uncreative) and Cep 45. Doormouse might also fit the bill although he used to do hardcore.
This topic might as well be closed since nobody is suggesting anything which I might like, which believe it or not was the entire point I made it. Why do I even bother.
<!--QuoteBegin--Scinet+Aug 20 2003, 01:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scinet @ Aug 20 2003, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, DnB isn't really that varied either.... If you want something that's really varied and broken, I suggest Xanopticon, Typhoid or Venetian Snares. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ahem. *back to the hijacked version of reality*
yeah, drum and bass of late is admitedly repetative, although still able to hold the interests of this fan of rhythm... jungle is a better place to look for breaks really i guess.
i tried venetian snares after some other random post you guys [esuna/ scinet] recommended them in, i dont know, i think maybe 'dance' works better to a standard time sig, the best part of breaks [for me anyway] is the way the repetition of the sounds works against the beat, and i cant follow/ nod along to venetian snares.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Scinet+Aug 20 2003, 01:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scinet @ Aug 20 2003, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Melatonin+Aug 20 2003, 10:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Melatonin @ Aug 20 2003, 10:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i dont understand how people can enjoy the thud thud thud of techno beats when you compare it to the breaks of jungle/ DnB (moreso jungle). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, DnB isn't really that varied either, or maybe all the DJs I've seen spinning it only play one record on loop (this is entirely possible). If you want something that's really varied and broken, I suggest Xanopticon, Typhoid or Venetian Snares. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats why I like trance so much b/c there is so much melody and sub melody to go with that bass kick. Example stuff by ATB,
"I dont wanna Stop", "Hold You" etc.
Track One of DJ Tiestos "Summerbreeze Album is decent,
And if u want lots of melody varation how about Stuff by Kai Tracid, Noemi, Groove Coverage, 4-Strings, William Orbit etc.
As for variation in DnB. As of lately it seems all the same but then again. Compair stuff like Aphex Twin to 303 Infinity. Dark moody to light cartoony.
ooh I made a rhyme. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--OttoDestruct+Aug 20 2003, 08:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ Aug 20 2003, 08:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This topic might as well be closed since nobody is suggesting anything which I might like, which believe it or not was the entire point I made it. Why do I even bother. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well, the only thing you told us was that it shouldn't sound like Korean pop music. There is A LOT of music that doesn't sound like a certain song. IN fact every peice of music in the world except that song sounds... different than the song. How can you blame us when you just say "decent techno"
<!--QuoteBegin--Scinet+Aug 20 2003, 06:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scinet @ Aug 20 2003, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Melatonin+Aug 20 2003, 10:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Melatonin @ Aug 20 2003, 10:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i dont understand how people can enjoy the thud thud thud of techno beats when you compare it to the breaks of jungle/ DnB (moreso jungle). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, DnB isn't really that varied either, or maybe all the DJs I've seen spinning it only play one record on loop (this is entirely possible). If you want something that's really varied and broken, I suggest Xanopticon, Typhoid or Venetian Snares. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm interested in this, anywhere I can listen first? or will I have to buy?
<!--QuoteBegin--Windelkron+Aug 20 2003, 11:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Aug 20 2003, 11:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Scinet+Aug 20 2003, 06:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scinet @ Aug 20 2003, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, DnB isn't really that varied either, or maybe all the DJs I've seen spinning it only play one record on loop (this is entirely possible). If you want something that's really varied and broken, I suggest Xanopticon, Typhoid or Venetian Snares. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm interested in this, anywhere I can listen first? or will I have to buy? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You can find four free Xanopticon MP3s from their website at <a href='http://rhinoplex.org/xanopticon/' target='_blank'>http://rhinoplex.org/xanopticon/</a>.
I've no idea where to find Typhoid preview clips since even their label's website is not (and has never truly been) online.
For Venetian Snares, try <a href='http://www.c8.com' target='_blank'>http://www.c8.com</a>. When you see the menu, click the red button, then click tunes/mp3 and type in what you want to find. For a full list of songs available on C8, go here <a href='http://www.c8.com/c8/tunes/view.php?d=10&l=&a=&t=&r=&f=&c=&ac=Search' target='_blank'>http://www.c8.com/c8/tunes/view.php?d=10&l...f=&c=&ac=Search</a>. If you think you might want to buy Venetian Snares stuff, I suggest you hop over to <a href='http://www.klangstabil.com/hymen' target='_blank'>Hymen's</a> website and order the Doll Doll Doll album (you can find realmedia soudbytes of it there). I'd also suggest you to use a P2P program (*cough* <a href='http://www.slsk.org' target='_blank'>Soulseek</a>*cough*) to find the track "All the Children Are Dead" from that album, since it's probably one of the most impressive pieces of music ever created with computers. That last suggestion is ofcourse morally questionable, but if you end up buying the album, where's the harm?
<!--QuoteBegin--Melatonin+Aug 20 2003, 04:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Melatonin @ Aug 20 2003, 04:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i think maybe 'dance' works better to a standard time sig, the best part of breaks [for me anyway] is the way the repetition of the sounds works against the beat, and i cant follow/ nod along to venetian snares.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> True, dancing is best done to the traditional 4/4 and 3/4. But you actually can nod along to Vsnares. If you listen to the songs closely, You'll soon notice that he actually uses the same time sig very often, but it's a bit non-standard since it's 7/8. For example, you can follow the broken beat of Dolleater or All the Children Are Dead if you keep in mind that the last beat of the standard 8/8 doesn't exist.
I was thinking that Dolleater was in 7/8 but I just wasn't sure <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I learned how to count 7/8 in music camp this summer (123-12-12)
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..waait a minute... is this what "breakcore" sounds like?
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*edit*
LOL @ filter... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's breakcore alright. Venetian snares and Xanopticon represent the extreme of breakcore scene. Somewhat less chaotic artists of the genere are Hecate, Needle Sharing, Fanny (whom I find rather boring and uncreative) and Cep 45. Doormouse might also fit the bill although he used to do hardcore.
If you want something that's really varied and broken, I suggest Xanopticon, Typhoid or Venetian Snares. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ahem. *back to the hijacked version of reality*
yeah, drum and bass of late is admitedly repetative, although still able to hold the interests of this fan of rhythm... jungle is a better place to look for breaks really i guess.
i tried venetian snares after some other random post you guys [esuna/ scinet] recommended them in, i dont know, i think maybe 'dance' works better to a standard time sig, the best part of breaks [for me anyway] is the way the repetition of the sounds works against the beat, and i cant follow/ nod along to venetian snares.
otto: sorry, techno was never really my thing.
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Well, DnB isn't really that varied either, or maybe all the DJs I've seen spinning it only play one record on loop (this is entirely possible). If you want something that's really varied and broken, I suggest Xanopticon, Typhoid or Venetian Snares. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats why I like trance so much b/c there is so much melody and sub melody to go with that bass kick. Example stuff by ATB,
"I dont wanna Stop", "Hold You" etc.
Track One of DJ Tiestos "Summerbreeze Album is decent,
And if u want lots of melody varation how about Stuff by Kai Tracid, Noemi, Groove Coverage, 4-Strings, William Orbit etc.
As for variation in DnB. As of lately it seems all the same but then again. Compair stuff like Aphex Twin to 303 Infinity. Dark moody to light cartoony.
ooh I made a rhyme. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
well, the only thing you told us was that it shouldn't sound like Korean pop music. There is A LOT of music that doesn't sound like a certain song. IN fact every peice of music in the world except that song sounds... different than the song. How can you blame us when you just say "decent techno"
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, DnB isn't really that varied either, or maybe all the DJs I've seen spinning it only play one record on loop (this is entirely possible). If you want something that's really varied and broken, I suggest Xanopticon, Typhoid or Venetian Snares. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm interested in this, anywhere I can listen first? or will I have to buy?
Well, DnB isn't really that varied either, or maybe all the DJs I've seen spinning it only play one record on loop (this is entirely possible). If you want something that's really varied and broken, I suggest Xanopticon, Typhoid or Venetian Snares. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm interested in this, anywhere I can listen first? or will I have to buy? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can find four free Xanopticon MP3s from their website at <a href='http://rhinoplex.org/xanopticon/' target='_blank'>http://rhinoplex.org/xanopticon/</a>.
I've no idea where to find Typhoid preview clips since even their label's website is not (and has never truly been) online.
For Venetian Snares, try <a href='http://www.c8.com' target='_blank'>http://www.c8.com</a>. When you see the menu, click the red button, then click tunes/mp3 and type in what you want to find. For a full list of songs available on C8, go here <a href='http://www.c8.com/c8/tunes/view.php?d=10&l=&a=&t=&r=&f=&c=&ac=Search' target='_blank'>http://www.c8.com/c8/tunes/view.php?d=10&l...f=&c=&ac=Search</a>. If you think you might want to buy Venetian Snares stuff, I suggest you hop over to <a href='http://www.klangstabil.com/hymen' target='_blank'>Hymen's</a> website and order the Doll Doll Doll album (you can find realmedia soudbytes of it there). I'd also suggest you to use a P2P program (*cough* <a href='http://www.slsk.org' target='_blank'>Soulseek</a>*cough*) to find the track "All the Children Are Dead" from that album, since it's probably one of the most impressive pieces of music ever created with computers. That last suggestion is ofcourse morally questionable, but if you end up buying the album, where's the harm?
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
True, dancing is best done to the traditional 4/4 and 3/4. But you actually can nod along to Vsnares. If you listen to the songs closely, You'll soon notice that he actually uses the same time sig very often, but it's a bit non-standard since it's 7/8. For example, you can follow the broken beat of Dolleater or All the Children Are Dead if you keep in mind that the last beat of the standard 8/8 doesn't exist.
I learned how to count 7/8 in music camp this summer (123-12-12)
hmm, I can't find the downbeat in dollmaker ;\