Stop The Stacking And F4
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<div class="IPBDescription">Sick, sick, sick of this</div> Well my comlaint is trying to find a stupid plugin or something that will stop this non-sense of team stacking, and F4ing just because your getting your butt kicked. Out of 20 games that I play on my server I can maybe finish 4 or 5 of them without the other team F4ing or switching teams..... It's really old now, and I need some help on how I can keep people on teams. I try and punish people who do F4 as much as I can, but I'm usually too into the game to pay attention the whole time to find who F4ed until the game has ended due to he F4. I also wanted to ask other server owners and admins, what should be a fair punishment for F4ing during a good game where he idiots are getting their butts kicked.
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First time. the player gets warrned ( If he quits, he gets the warrning when he rejoins the server )
Secound time: Ban for x hours
3 time. Ban for XX hours
4 banned for xxxx hours.
I dont think it should get him perm banned. I dont see a way to do this automaticly, but rather admin command for it. There should also be some sort of decay on the "times" you have "done it". Something like a 2-3 days or so, Personaly im running around harrasing all metamod plugin coders i know asking if they want to do it.
more on the idea.
there is no way to get rid of this problem because if F4 wouldnt exist there were enough other ways to get out of a mess youre team maybe has deserved
as allways in the end there are people leaving to rr or completely making the teams more unbalanced
but you cant really forbid to exit or retry
just expect the server admins to break a game and start a new one if the situation is clear and just a matter of time
and maybe we get help from the ns-team in further versions to finish just the boring stalemats with starting a new game if one team is really stuck to long, there are lots of ways to do that
dont worry bout the cowards who leave, they know why and its better they go
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you cant stop this from happening
but try on your own 8)
But the problem is mostly human nature. Maybe kick those that F4, ban those that do it repeatedly (if your server is popular enough), and make sure to put up a rules page so that people know it will happen.
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(It works only with NS 2.0)
When a difference of 2 more players is needed to activate mp_autoconcede (i.e. mp_autoconcede is set to 4 the plugin will start when the difference between teams is 2), the plugin will warn the team with more players to make teams equal. If only 1 more player is needed until mp_autoconcede is activated, the plugin will start a countdown of 30 seconds until it will boot the last player who joined the larger team into the readyroom.
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In WC3, for instance, I cant remember the last time I actually destroyed every building on the enemy side, unless my team was racing against the other team to kill the others base first. Usually, the two armies collide, the loser says GG and quits. Its the same as F4ing when the aliens have 3 hives, are chamber farming outside your base, and their onoses are taking turns running in and devouring your grenade launchers. Is it actually necessary to tusk-destroy thier comm?
With 2.0 there are many chances to make a comeback, depending on the situation....
Many people just give up. Why not fight to the bitter end and at least give it a chance to try to make a comeback.
Like I said, f4ing is not really bad, but if you have even a slight chance for a comeback, go for it guys.
Cases like that - F4 is definantly needed... and, it happens a lot. If it came down to hour long deadlocks and people who quit when they lose their onos that they had saved up the entire game (instead of building much-needed structures for the team), I think quitters would be the lesser of two evils.
Chances are that people who F4/quit just because their team is losing are people who aren't helping the team much anyway.
The ironic part is that the early-F4'ers, trying to avoid the "boredom" of a slow death, end up sitting in the readyroom...doing nothing...while the rest of the team fights it out for another five minutes...the readyroom must be way more exciting than a last stand.
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People learn and most of the time those that like to F4 don't come to our server. I normally ban without warning if people F4 to avoid the 'endgame' or swicth teams to be on the winning side. The consgreet is their warning and I would rather these people leave the server than sit in the readyroom taking up a slot. I also punnish for dragging the game out to get more frags. Ban length is normally sufficient that they will miss the next game.
We (mainly Roob) have come under a lot of flak in the past for this stance but it does mean that more of our games are played team on team start to finish. The games are more fun and the tempation to F4 is reduced.
I very rarely have to enforce the F4 rule any more so I guess we have beaten them. Although it happens from time to time.
It's your server so its up to you what rules you enforce and how severly but if you want to kill the F4 problem:-
1. Inform the player (consgreet should do)
2. Lead by example
3. Be strict
4. Keep the server adminned under a common set of rules - get admins for all times of day so you may have to recruit from different time zones.
hope this helps
Thats what I do
On West Aussie (cant speak for the rest of aus) you dont get f4, and you get some amazing comebacks, also team stacking doesnt seem to be quite so much of a problem.