Hacks
Vri
Join Date: 2003-08-11 Member: 19463Members
Join Date: 2003-08-11 Member: 19463Members
<div class="IPBDescription">any counter?</div> Heres my story. I was on a server commanding, the name: RENT ME !! SG_2114 NS 2.0. My whole team had heavys, I was trying to make them group up and a guy named c-o-c-k (note I spell it out so ppl can watch out for him) kept dying and asking for more HA because he kept ramboing, well I finally descided to stop giving him armor and he threatened me saying "give me HA or you'll be sorry" and a bunch of other threats, ofcourse I thought if hes not admin then no biggie but he had one hell of a hack, he kicked me off the server despite the fact that I was leading my team really well, after I tried joining other servers and I couldnt join ANY server anymore, I keep getting the message WON authentication invalid I had to reinstall my OS to get it to work again, luckily I have an image drive program on a seperate hard drive so I got the quick fix (15 minutes or so), admins out there please BAN this guy quick, his name is c-o-c-k without the "-".
My questions for you guys is, how can such a powerfull hack go through the anti-cheat implementions and what can you do to protect yourself from it?
My questions for you guys is, how can such a powerfull hack go through the anti-cheat implementions and what can you do to protect yourself from it?
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1) Your lieing/not giving the full story (no offense, its possible)
2) He was the server admin
3) Coincidence
also ask around and see if you can become an admin... then they will respect you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
1) Your lieing/not giving the full story (no offense, its possible)
2) He was the server admin
3) Coincidence <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I ADMIT IM LYING, IM A PATHETIC LOOSER WITH NO LIFE!!! WTH!??!
1) Your lieing/not giving the full story (no offense, its possible)
2) He was the server admin
3) Coincidence <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1) DO NOT doubt this story. this should be treated seriously, imo.
2) A single admin cant ban your WONid from every server.
3) Doubtful. VERY doubtful.
[edit] firewalls can usually block this stuff, though there's always a chance he could be a professional... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> ]
also ask around and see if you can become an admin... then they will respect you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you dont think which is why Im here telling you ppl about it, then I get this lying and coincidence bs.. great, well I hope he screws you over someday ... no offense duhhhhh
Edit: woops hehe wrong quote, aimed at SuperBob
There is no way they can?.... is it so hard to see the name? He may still be stupid enough to keep the same name if he does they can ban him, I doubt someone else will have that name anytime soon so chances are if you ban a guy named c-o-c-k you'll get a hit, Im ridding on ONLY that for now.
.. OK now what gives you the suspiscion that I may have been the one cheating??
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hey what to u know a guy named **** was playing on a siege007 server 2 minutes ago...
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Because it is <i>impossible</i> to be banned from every server. The reason the WON authentication was wrong was because... well, I don't know, but usually restarting fixes it, or it means your CD-Key was being used. He was most likely just the server admin and kicked you. The problem with the other servers was just a coincidence. Very likely, it's happened to me many times, and you don't have to reinstall your OS.
[edit] **** is a very unoriginal, I don't doubt there are at least 20 players with that name. Names like 'haha' or 'waadad' are probably used all over. They're just cheating names, so you can cheat and not get highlighted on your regular name.[/edit]
you should install black ICE one your backdoor
Um... in order not to tell the truth?
Because it is <i>impossible</i> to be banned from every server. The reason the WON authentication was wrong was because... well, I don't know, but usually restarting fixes it, or it means your CD-Key was being used. He was most likely just the server admin and kicked you. The problem with the other servers was just a coincidence. Very likely, it's happened to me many times, and you don't have to reinstall your OS.
[edit] **** is a very unoriginal, I don't doubt there are at least 20 players with that name. Names like 'haha' or 'waadad' are probably used all over. They're just cheating names, so you can cheat and not get highlighted on your regular name.[/edit] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
When did I say I was banned??, as for restarting it did NOT fix it, why do you think I would reinstall everything??., as for someone using my CD key thats bull, chances of that happening exactly when Im threatened in that manner is NOT a coincidence, how thick of a skull do you ppl have to believe it was a coincidence??, as for the unoriginal name I have been playing for months and NO ONE has the name c-o-c-k, according to CHANCES your likely gonna get the guy if he uses the same name anytime soon, mared lame answer.
Generally, when you say you can't join a server even though it isn't full usually means you're banned. Also, I was just using the word meaning you couldn't join the server, don't get so quick to anger. <!--QuoteBegin--Vri Posted on Aug 20 2003+ 05:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vri Posted on Aug 20 2003 @ 05:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> as for restarting it did NOT fix it, why do you think I would reinstall everything?? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I was merely assuming, have you read those Tech-Support conversations? Full of "I plugged in my hard drive while the computer was on and now it doesn't work", so again, don't get so quick to anger. <!--QuoteBegin--Vri Posted on Aug 20 2003+ 05:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vri Posted on Aug 20 2003 @ 05:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> as for someone using my CD key thats bull, chances of that happening exactly when Im threatened in that manner is NOT a coincidence, how thick of a skull do you ppl have to believe it was a coincidence?? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't tell me I have a thick skull. It's likely that your WON thing crashed, and it doesn't allow you to join because you aren't authenticated. <!--QuoteBegin--Vri Posted on Aug 20 2003+ 05:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vri Posted on Aug 20 2003 @ 05:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> as for the unoriginal name I have been playing for months and NO ONE has the name c-o-c-k, according to CHANCES your likely gonna get the guy if he uses the same name anytime soon<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Maybe regular pubbers don't, but anyone looking to rage a server does. Also, what if someone is just joking around and has that as his name? Banned, he can't join a server because of hundreds of others named that hacked and cheated, etc.
[edit] <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> .. OK now what gives you the suspiscion that I may have been the one cheating? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only MAYBE because you can't join all the servers? This doesn't matter, because NS doesn't have VAC if I recall correctly, but THINK please.
Again, don't get so angry, don't double post.
<!--QuoteBegin--fo sheezy my neezy Posted on Aug 20 2003+ 05:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (fo sheezy my neezy Posted on Aug 20 2003 @ 05:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> First, I'm almost 100% positive that it's impossible, unless he somehow got into your registry and deleted your cd key. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're probably right. If he was a REAL hacker, yeah, you're probably right. Unlikely, though.
I still think you aren't telling the full story. There's no way it can just die like that. EXACTLY what did it say when you couldn't join? [/edit]
This smells very highly of exaggerated story, maybe a little to coincide with a random problem with the won servers. It very well COULD be a coincidence. The fact that you seem stuck on the whole "you MIGHT be lying/stretching the truth" thing is very suspicious. The fact that there's no proof except for your (very biased) opinion would make me not even think about banning anyone with that name for that offense, without firsthand knowledge of what he was doing. You have provided no proof for us, and you're pretty much making yourself out to be an **** on the forums.
Oh and if anyone might want to set up another anti cheat site id be willing to help out use the PM function to contact me.
First of all, no cdkey generator has EVER been able create a key that will create a proper WONID that will auth with WON. Several cheats released to the public have been rumored to have trojans that will steal your cdkey from your registry and broadcast it to the creators. Now, I know someone will go smart **** and say "OMG I know a guy with hundreds of cdkeys." GG, I do too. In fact, I know a guy that had a list with a couple <i>thousand</i> cdkeys. Here's how this works: People share cdkeys. Eventually they share this cdkey with the wrong person, and this person decides to hand it out to every person he knows. These people are generally cheaters looking to share/obtain cdkeys to continue their cheating and evade random bans.
Second of all, there is no clientside command that can eject a specific person from the game. There is no cvar that can do this, no cheat that can execute this and no way outside of adminmod or rcon access to do such. You have to use server commands to execute the ejection/banning of a player. The only cheats that can eject people from the server are those that eject ALL people by crashing the server, in one of the general fashions. There are metamod plugins to prevent the proper execution of these cheats and prevent the server crash. Sometimes there are leaks in the code put on for a game, or there are certain cvars that perform incorrectly that are exploited.
Third, the only central blacklist for HL-based games that would ban you on the vast majority of servers would be the VAC list, which is not only cleared periodically, but is not even supported by this mod. Many server admins do subscribe to cheater blacklists that allow them to ban wonids without the person entering their server to prevent them ever coming in, however, the coincidence caused by cdkey lists/sharing prevents most admins from doing this until the cheater is present in their server.
Fourth, the only ways WON would not auth you would be connection loss (thus, no connection to their server or loss of your internet connection) or your WONID already being in use. In either case, the only way this could be caused by another person would be someone that had somehow obtained your cdkey and used it.
Lastly, the only time I've ever seen an inability to connect to any other servers after being ejected from one would be in the running of 3rd party cheats (especially prone is OGC) where you fail to establish connection and therefore must close and then re-open the .dll injection program. In this instance, with your story, that dovetails rather nicely with your cdkey already being in use. I'd say 2:1 odds that you either got unlucky enough for a cheater to obtain your cdkey or you were running 3rd party .dll injection programs (aka CHEATS) yourself. I won't say I believe one way or the other, however, those are the two most likely conclusions from the information presented.
They still cannot prevent you from joining servers. That would be permanent harm causing monetary damage, and is highly illegal. Cheating and using hacks in-game is not illegal, unfortuantely.
1) Spamming the server to such a great extent that it overflows, and shuts itself down for a specific amount of time.
2) Exploiting known leaks in the code for a game. One such was typing spectate in your console in a specific mod that had an unresolved code loop/leak problem. This once again caused the server to shut itself down and reboot.
I used to be one of the leaders for anti-cheats in another mod, pushing hard for cheating-death development, etc. In addition, I can detail out most of the major cheating methods used as I have large experience in using them and tweaking them in Counter Strike. There's no need to cheat in NS as the wallhacks come with the mod (<!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->) and aliens aren't that difficult to hit with an LMG/shotty/HMG so aimbotting is pointless, especially if you don't edit the model bone locations to be appropriate for skulks and onos or adjust the vectors accordingly. Trust me, I know what's out there, and routinely browse cheat sites to see what they're coming up with. Anyone that's played me in NS knows I suck too much to cheat at it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Trust me though, this guy has no idea what happened, and he's just playing the Boy-Who-Cried-h4x0r