Now that were talking about bugs that were taken out...can someone PLEASE post the one of the jetpacked HA's? I want it for my wallpaper <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Umbraed Monkey+Aug 25 2003, 10:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Aug 25 2003, 10:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now that were talking about bugs that were taken out...can someone PLEASE post the one of the jetpacked HA's? I want it for my wallpaper <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> MonsE has 'em.
<!--QuoteBegin--HAMBONE+Aug 24 2003, 04:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HAMBONE @ Aug 24 2003, 04:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why do whales beach themselves?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It has been theroised that one reason for this is the shifting of the magnetic north pole. Scientists believe that whales may use some sort of internal compass that helps them to navigate the oceans of the world. The magentic north has been moving, albeit slowly, for a very long time. there is even some information the the poles have flipped at least once in the past (meaning that the magnetic north switched poles to the south pole.) This is caused by the earths molten core and the constant shifting of the masses in the earth, which has been theorised to be the cause of the magnetic north.
<!--QuoteBegin--cri.tical+Aug 25 2003, 10:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cri.tical @ Aug 25 2003, 10:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Umbraed Monkey+Aug 25 2003, 10:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Aug 25 2003, 10:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now that were talking about bugs that were taken out...can someone PLEASE post the one of the jetpacked HA's? I want it for my wallpaper <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> MonsE has 'em. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> oh, oh, I want one of those too, MonsE can you post one of those here? Thanks.
<!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Torak+Aug 25 2003, 10:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Aug 25 2003, 10:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--HAMBONE+Aug 24 2003, 04:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HAMBONE @ Aug 24 2003, 04:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why do whales beach themselves?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It has been theroised that one reason for this is the shifting of the magnetic north pole. Scientists believe that whales may use some sort of internal compass that helps them to navigate the oceans of the world. The magentic north has been moving, albeit slowly, for a very long time. there is even some information the the poles have flipped at least once in the past (meaning that the magnetic north switched poles to the south pole.) This is caused by the earths molten core and the constant shifting of the masses in the earth, which has been theorised to be the cause of the magnetic north. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> In those cases where autopsy was performed on beached whales, it was found a particular part of the inner ear was destroyed, meaning these whales are in effect both deaf and blind; they can't navigate nor communicate. The only explanation for the damage to the inner ear is exposure to very high sound levels. The most plausible source of such high sound levels in the oceans is military long-range sonar.
I'll give up what I'm doing to play a pre-release of a game. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--lazygamer+Aug 25 2003, 07:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lazygamer @ Aug 25 2003, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sirus, don't even try man. Monkeybonk would still say Fades were underpowered even if that was still in the game<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Monkeybonk is more concerned about cost. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
This thread has only helped me appreciate the PTs and Vets evenmore. But I ask one thing, can we please get screenshots of ALL the icons available in NS? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Cost is a major factor. Cost is the only thing that catagorizes alien 'tech' into 'groups'. Early Game, Mid Game, and Late Game. Imagine if you all spawned as an onos. Basically you can either make fades cheaper, which is a BAD thing, or you can make them more powerful so both their cost is justified, AND they can fight mid-game marines.
I personally take admin action against people who disrespect PT's and constellation members. They have no right to insult the people who volunteered time and money to help develop the great game we are all playing. It's alright to be upset becasue the game seems off balance, but don't be an **** about it. It's all being worked out. Life will go on.
I like the vets. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I also think that the lack of balance is one of the things that makes the 'riens so fun to play. Every victory is a party and every loss is a heroic last stand (mind you some of the turret farming gets execive).
So I feel that the PTs, VETs, and Dev team did a greate job. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Zel+Aug 24 2003, 09:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ Aug 24 2003, 09:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont like "Veterans" because they get special status and their only merits were being in some "elite" clans. I can respect PT's who ahve been around forever, and seen NS grow, but the veterans (to my naiive self) are just a group of "elite" clanners who used to get respect based on merit, and now are handed respect in a little icon. i wont give anyone special treatment until i know they deserve it, and i really resent that they have icons ingame. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow, someone has icon envy. Give it a rest.
And saying all clanners are elitist **** because I met an elitist **** clanner, makes as much sense as saying all posters are morons with icon envy because I met a poster who was a moron with icon envy... Generalizing is a good way to end up wrong, and we don't want to be wrong, now do we?
And someone tell me the "alternative" to balancing NS for organized play? Would that be balancing it for incompetent play, and does anyone else see the problem with that?
<!--QuoteBegin--KaMiKaZe!!!+Aug 25 2003, 12:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KaMiKaZe!!! @ Aug 25 2003, 12:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I personally take admin action against people who disrespect PT's and constellation members. They have no right to insult the people who volunteered time and money to help develop the great game we are all playing. It's alright to be upset becasue the game seems off balance, but don't be an **** about it. It's all being worked out. Life will go on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Constellation, PT, and Vets are people. I won't flame them because of what they did, but they certainly, unless they prove otherwise, don't deserve my respect. It's the person that matters, not what they did. Andrew Carnegie was a ruthless monopolist, but before he died, donated a huge amount of money to charity. Does that make him a good person we should all love and grant special favors for?
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
Kinda twisted example :/ <b>It's</b> what the person do that matters, and vets/const. and PTs all putted time/money and effort into this mod, more than you've done
I know this will probably vanish into fat air but here is my thoughts.
it will be next to impossible to ever make the game even for your average joe all the way to your 24/7 lets war guyz.
What i think that would work alot better would be a tweak in settings for tourny mode.
This way you break the far left wing from the far right wing and your average player.
You wouldn't need huge tweaks, currently 2.0 owns for the better teams of NS but at the cost of pub games, a player that is playing his first game of NS is more important then any other player in NS even those top clan leet guys.
With out them NS will die, but if you don't look after the other end they will move on. I think a tourny mode should change ammor / damage to help look after the more seriouse people. While having different ammor / damage for pub games which will looking after the new players and your average joe.
even a slight change in the game can do the world a good when the big change is comming from the players skill level.
Bottom line: If you can't appreciate that people invested lots of their time working (the word is <i>working</i>) on a game you're playing for free, we can't help you, either.
Whoa whoa whoa, what's with all this "jealousy" nonsense. Some people don't like the majority of the playtesters/vet's because they didn't balance the game out correctly (people like Savant are the exception to this.) Sure the Pt's and "Vet's" balanced the game, but they balanced it into boringness! Read: "We had to change the game at the last minute because it wasn't fun." Let's not forget all the bugs they missed... waypoints in the ready room, health bars in the ready room, can't climb bar texture stuff, being able to electrify any building you want, and the occasional xenocide bug.
In essence, the PT's and "Vet's" failed at what they set out to do in the first place.
Quote from Sirus "You guys [the general public] don't know what you want." Well, obviously they didn't either. "Ok, we have to change this...that...Oh wait, only 3 more days until the release? Change it ALL back!"
I can appreciate, as well as most people, a game that people worked on for free, i'm not insulting the developers at all, they did their job just fine. The method they used to try and balance the game was a good idea; however, it train wrecked.
Solution: Scrutinize a bit more about the people they are letting in. (eve, sYn, and certain elitist "vet's" who will remain nameless.)
coilAmateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance.Join Date: 2002-04-12Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Sorry, I'm sick of this.
Maybe you all don't understand the scope of the game. Maybe you don't care. Maybe you're even more arrogant than the PTs and Vets you accuse of being so. The fact of the matter is, you don't know what playtesting was like. You have no idea how hard some of these guys worked, and you have no idea how upsetting it is to receive nothing but vitriol for our work.
Look at the list of recent departures from the community. Have you noticed the new moderators, or the fact that many of the old moderators aren't around/active anymore? How about the #ns Ops? Have you noticed that MonsE is stepping down from his role as PR guy? Did you know that Relic left the team altogether? Many playtesters have stepped down as well, and Flay's been hard-pressed to find replacements who are as dedicated and mature as they were.
They're all tired of being treated like crap after all the work they've put into this fantastic game. And even if it has problems, I'll bet most of you will agree that NS is one of the best games on the Net today. So why not take a step back, shut your mouths, and stop expecting the world to be handed to you on a silver platter?
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I believe you did what you could and I think it's sad to see some fools being jealous of a small icon.
And about the fades, I agree with Monkeybonk. Sometimes I alone can take one down
<!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> MonsE has 'em.
It has been theroised that one reason for this is the shifting of the magnetic north pole. Scientists believe that whales may use some sort of internal compass that helps them to navigate the oceans of the world. The magentic north has been moving, albeit slowly, for a very long time. there is even some information the the poles have flipped at least once in the past (meaning that the magnetic north switched poles to the south pole.) This is caused by the earths molten core and the constant shifting of the masses in the earth, which has been theorised to be the cause of the magnetic north.
<!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> MonsE has 'em. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
oh, oh, I want one of those too, MonsE can you post one of those here? Thanks.
--Jane
It has been theroised that one reason for this is the shifting of the magnetic north pole. Scientists believe that whales may use some sort of internal compass that helps them to navigate the oceans of the world. The magentic north has been moving, albeit slowly, for a very long time. there is even some information the the poles have flipped at least once in the past (meaning that the magnetic north switched poles to the south pole.) This is caused by the earths molten core and the constant shifting of the masses in the earth, which has been theorised to be the cause of the magnetic north. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
In those cases where autopsy was performed on beached whales, it was found a particular part of the inner ear was destroyed, meaning these whales are in effect both deaf and blind; they can't navigate nor communicate.
The only explanation for the damage to the inner ear is exposure to very high sound levels. The most plausible source of such high sound levels in the oceans is military long-range sonar.
Sirus, don't even try man. Monkeybonk would still say Fades were underpowered even if that was still in the game<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Monkeybonk is more concerned about cost. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
This thread has only helped me appreciate the PTs and Vets evenmore. But I ask one thing, can we please get screenshots of ALL the icons available in NS? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Cost is a major factor. Cost is the only thing that catagorizes alien 'tech' into 'groups'. Early Game, Mid Game, and Late Game. Imagine if you all spawned as an onos. Basically you can either make fades cheaper, which is a BAD thing, or you can make them more powerful so both their cost is justified, AND they can fight mid-game marines.
I also think that the lack of balance is one of the things that makes the 'riens so fun to play. Every victory is a party and every loss is a heroic last stand (mind you some of the turret farming gets execive).
So I feel that the PTs, VETs, and Dev team did a greate job. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow, someone has icon envy. Give it a rest.
And saying all clanners are elitist **** because I met an elitist **** clanner, makes as much sense as saying all posters are morons with icon envy because I met a poster who was a moron with icon envy... Generalizing is a good way to end up wrong, and we don't want to be wrong, now do we?
And someone tell me the "alternative" to balancing NS for organized play? Would that be balancing it for incompetent play, and does anyone else see the problem with that?
Constellation, PT, and Vets are people. I won't flame them because of what they did, but they certainly, unless they prove otherwise, don't deserve my respect. It's the person that matters, not what they did. Andrew Carnegie was a ruthless monopolist, but before he died, donated a huge amount of money to charity. Does that make him a good person we should all love and grant special favors for?
<b>It's</b> what the person do that matters, and vets/const. and PTs all putted time/money and effort into this mod, more than you've done
it will be next to impossible to ever make the game even for your average joe all the way to your 24/7 lets war guyz.
What i think that would work alot better would be a tweak in settings for tourny mode.
This way you break the far left wing from the far right wing and your average player.
You wouldn't need huge tweaks, currently 2.0 owns for the better teams of NS but at the cost of pub games, a player that is playing his first game of NS is more important then any other player in NS even those top clan leet guys.
With out them NS will die, but if you don't look after the other end they will move on. I think a tourny mode should change ammor / damage to help look after the more seriouse people. While having different ammor / damage for pub games which will looking after the new players and your average joe.
even a slight change in the game can do the world a good when the big change is comming from the players skill level.
In essence, the PT's and "Vet's" failed at what they set out to do in the first place.
Quote from Sirus "You guys [the general public] don't know what you want."
Well, obviously they didn't either. "Ok, we have to change this...that...Oh wait, only 3 more days until the release? Change it ALL back!"
I can appreciate, as well as most people, a game that people worked on for free, i'm not insulting the developers at all, they did their job just fine. The method they used to try and balance the game was a good idea; however, it train wrecked.
Solution: Scrutinize a bit more about the people they are letting in. (eve, sYn, and certain elitist "vet's" who will remain nameless.)
Maybe you all don't understand the scope of the game. Maybe you don't care. Maybe you're even more arrogant than the PTs and Vets you accuse of being so. The fact of the matter is, you don't know what playtesting was like. You have no idea how hard some of these guys worked, and you have no idea how upsetting it is to receive nothing but vitriol for our work.
Look at the list of recent departures from the community. Have you noticed the new moderators, or the fact that many of the old moderators aren't around/active anymore? How about the #ns Ops? Have you noticed that MonsE is stepping down from his role as PR guy? Did you know that Relic left the team altogether? Many playtesters have stepped down as well, and Flay's been hard-pressed to find replacements who are as dedicated and mature as they were.
They're all tired of being treated like crap after all the work they've put into this fantastic game. And even if it has problems, I'll bet most of you will agree that NS is one of the best games on the Net today. So why not take a step back, shut your mouths, and stop expecting the world to be handed to you on a silver platter?