Patriot Act
GreyPaws
Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">Its gunna expire and the fuss is on</div> I cant seem to find the act in its entierty, and most of the stuff on the net is OPPOSED to it, so the following link can be viewed as "one-sided" <a href='http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/20011031_eff_usa_patriot_analysis.php' target='_blank'>clicky</a>
This threads intention is to discuss the implications of the PATRIOT Act (USA) weather or not the act is a violation of the bill of rights, and the spin off acts (PATRIOT 2 or SOn of PATRIOT and the VICTORY act)
I'll get you links as soon as I have them, feel free to begin all opinios welcomed.
This threads intention is to discuss the implications of the PATRIOT Act (USA) weather or not the act is a violation of the bill of rights, and the spin off acts (PATRIOT 2 or SOn of PATRIOT and the VICTORY act)
I'll get you links as soon as I have them, feel free to begin all opinios welcomed.
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They've been trying to introduce new laws here in Australia (and they got some through) greatly widening the power of ASIO (our version of the CIA). One of the main parts I recall that was meeting with heavy opposition was that ASIO would have the power to detain people suspected of terrorism or links to terrorist organisations for 48 hours without charge. They would be able to question them during that period etc. I think that one stalled in the senate, but the government keeps trying to push it through. It's not just America folks <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Now get this, the patriot act allows the us government to do that for 7 days for any non citizens. It also makes the government legally capable of not disclosing what they are suspected of.
*sigh*
I would have thought so too. I guess everyone was just all scared over 9-11, like this would have actually prevented it. I really don't like the direction my country is taking.
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And yes, we let this bill through. The only people who would have opposed it were either
A) Afraid of turning back on the president and make it look like they were turning down their party, or
B) Afraid of alienating their eclectic electorate, or
C) Afraid of being stigamtized as a 'terrorist supporter.'
The last one is slightly reasonable, the others simply show what an F*ing @$$ both parties are.
Yea, and Ashcroft isn't taking lessons from Stalin. Only Clinton or Gore would do something like that. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Ashcroft is obviously reading the <i>50 steps to being a successful Gestapo Officer</i>
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And yes, we let this bill through. The only people who would have opposed it were either
A) Afraid of turning back on the president and make it look like they were turning down their party, or
B) Afraid of alienating their eclectic electorate, or
C) Afraid of being stigamtized as a 'terrorist supporter.'
The last one is slightly reasonable, the others simply show what an F*ing @$$ both parties are.
Yea, and Ashcroft isn't taking lessons from Stalin. Only Clinton or Gore would do something like that. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Ashcroft is obviously reading the <i>50 steps to being a successful Gestapo Officer</i> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed, both major political parties should be "exterminated". <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
(I don't mean exterminated in the literal sense...just removed from politics so we can get some fresh ideas into the political arena)
*sigh*
I would have thought so too. I guess everyone was just all scared over 9-11, like this would have actually prevented it. I really don't like the direction my country is taking. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Too busy eating at mcdonalds and drinking SunnyD
Newsweek did a poll and his approval rating has dropped to the mid-40s. Bush won't win. Howard Dean will probably win the Democratic Primary and go on to win the election.
By the way, is the number of people saying the war in Iraq was justified dropping or rising? It's falling here every day and it was never popular to begin with, so I'm interested to hear what the US statistics were, given that when the first missiles hit there seemed to be widespread support in the US for the war (thats putting it mildly <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> )
By the way, is the number of people saying the war in Iraq was justified dropping or rising? It's falling here every day and it was never popular to begin with, so I'm interested to hear what the US statistics were, given that when the first missiles hit there seemed to be widespread support in the US for the war (thats putting it mildly <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I definately didn't support it in the manner it was done. They could have at least held out a bit longer and gotten some good intellegence. Then you add the fact that they've found NOTHING.
Before the war in Australia it very much appeared that everyone was against it. Thousands in the streets. Then the war was on. It actually became more popular while it was on. Then the war was "won" (its still on imho but nm). It got even more popular. Now statements like "programs of MD" are making the popularity go down.
It simply appeared unpopular at the beginning because of mass hippy turnout (<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) at protests and Labour media hyping it up. The reason John Howard isnt massively unpopular because of it is frankly most people agree with it (and possibly because the Labour alternative looks REALLY bad atm). No WMD? Still most people see that Saddam is gone and the Iraqi's actually have a chance now. More of a chance than they did under Saddam anyway.