Phasegates Need To Start Fragging Too!
Stoneburg
Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
<div class="IPBDescription">or they will become obsolete</div> I've found the PG's to be less then reliable means of transportation, or more iportantly, backup. The reason is simple, a single alien can disable it by standing on it. This makes alone phasegates 100% useless since any half-witted skulk can just sit on it and chew away, which is ok. It however alos makes outposts that *are* defended quite vulnerable...
Unless you want to spend a truly *obscene* amount on resources securing a position (which right now usually isn't an option for Marines most of the time), you will probably lose it if it is more then a short run from base. Why? Because it is almost impossible to protect that oh-so-vital phasegate.
Protect it with turrets you say? Most of the time you end up with a cow standing on the phasegate *while* taking out the TF and turrets. Which is why I tend to buold the PG far away from the TF so they at leats have to *chose* whether to deny reinforcements or take out the current force (turrets).
Don't let them get onos then! Fair enough. But with Umbra, even a skulk can stay alive long enough, sitting on the PG in the middle of the turrets, chewing it.
Well deny them a second hive! Ok then, but a group, actually just two or three gorges with one fatty on the PG and the other(s) healing him will do it too, and a skulk can eat the TF, PG or whatever he likes.
So far the latest attempt has been to put the TF really, really close to the PG and electrify it, to negate the umbra. This of course makes it super-vulnerable to the higher class of aliens that aren't too bothered by electricity.
It just seems like too much effort has to go into this at the moment, for and already stretched, battered and frustrated Marine team. It also doesn't seem 100% reasonable when compared to the IP's. Right now, the thing I fear most as cow is IP's! (well, not really, but they are pretty scary). Why? Because if I slip or lag while goring it, chances are that a Marine will spawn and telefrag me. Now, couldn't this be applied to the Phase Gate (again) as well? I really think it is needed, since PG's are such a vital part of (many) Marine strategies, it doesn't seem right that they can be so easily negated by Aliens regardless of hives or resources. I think that PG's being "allowed" to telefrag the same way as IP's do is a very easy fix to this conundrum.
Ps. Before you say "You need to keep Marines at your outposts" consider that the whole *point* of the PG is to *not* have to have stationary Marines everywhere, not to mention it is impossible on smaller servers.
edit: Forgot to add that dropping a chamber on it will of course also work. I probably forgot this because I think it is a somewhat "legit" way of doing it.
Unless you want to spend a truly *obscene* amount on resources securing a position (which right now usually isn't an option for Marines most of the time), you will probably lose it if it is more then a short run from base. Why? Because it is almost impossible to protect that oh-so-vital phasegate.
Protect it with turrets you say? Most of the time you end up with a cow standing on the phasegate *while* taking out the TF and turrets. Which is why I tend to buold the PG far away from the TF so they at leats have to *chose* whether to deny reinforcements or take out the current force (turrets).
Don't let them get onos then! Fair enough. But with Umbra, even a skulk can stay alive long enough, sitting on the PG in the middle of the turrets, chewing it.
Well deny them a second hive! Ok then, but a group, actually just two or three gorges with one fatty on the PG and the other(s) healing him will do it too, and a skulk can eat the TF, PG or whatever he likes.
So far the latest attempt has been to put the TF really, really close to the PG and electrify it, to negate the umbra. This of course makes it super-vulnerable to the higher class of aliens that aren't too bothered by electricity.
It just seems like too much effort has to go into this at the moment, for and already stretched, battered and frustrated Marine team. It also doesn't seem 100% reasonable when compared to the IP's. Right now, the thing I fear most as cow is IP's! (well, not really, but they are pretty scary). Why? Because if I slip or lag while goring it, chances are that a Marine will spawn and telefrag me. Now, couldn't this be applied to the Phase Gate (again) as well? I really think it is needed, since PG's are such a vital part of (many) Marine strategies, it doesn't seem right that they can be so easily negated by Aliens regardless of hives or resources. I think that PG's being "allowed" to telefrag the same way as IP's do is a very easy fix to this conundrum.
Ps. Before you say "You need to keep Marines at your outposts" consider that the whole *point* of the PG is to *not* have to have stationary Marines everywhere, not to mention it is impossible on smaller servers.
edit: Forgot to add that dropping a chamber on it will of course also work. I probably forgot this because I think it is a somewhat "legit" way of doing it.
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i'd suggest having the option to electrify the PG and have the aliens BUMPED off, (as gore or xenocide does, but without the damage). to take out a 100 rez onos with a 0 rez LA/lmg seems a bit off to me.
just as the aliens should not have to worry about being teleported as in 1.0x (whenever that was changed to manual), they should not fear the INSTA death of telefrag madness.
Solution that does not involve telefraging:
Add a feature to the PG where if a Marine or Alien is sitting on top of the PG on the other end they get moved off the PG kinda like what /unstuck does.
Aliens should not be allowed to build structures on the PG or if they do make the structures explode when a marine phases through.
There are a few other way to block them as well theve been posted.
With a tiny bit of teamwork then it's all too easy to block a PG.
PG's already have a weakness in that all aliens know where the reinforcements are coming from, so they can spore it/eat marines coming through lots of things. In fact I just came from a game where they called it a McPhase as it was providing 'fast food' as they were all waiting at the other end. Taking advantage of mairne stupidity is not lame, but as I believe PG blocking to be an exploit that is.
Only people to whine about this is those who think its a "Tactic" I.E does who use the GL spam.
Its like a big IP, it should squish the aliens
I'm not so sure about that. I'm not a coder but the fact that Marines only can use them is a totally different matter. Aliens can't use the armory either... telefragging is an ancient HL (Quake) thing... I'm not so sure it can be done, or if it can, that it can be done very easily.
I'm not so sure about that. I'm not a coder but the fact that Marines only can use them is a totally different matter. Aliens can't use the armory either... telefragging is an ancient HL (Quake) thing... I'm not so sure it can be done, or if it can, that it can be done very easily. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Engine limitations........
I love going to McMarines to get a Happy Onos Meal. You can really gorge yourself there.
But it shouldn't happen with PGs. As someone pointed out, a slip or lag and an Onos can die entirely by mistake. Currently "Onii" are fairly rampant, but you still may have instances where they make or break the struggle for dominance, and it's that struggle that makes the game enjoyable, right?
So what's enjoyable about insta-killing an Onos?.. aside from the instant-gratification the marine gets, even though he didn't have to use any skill to get that kill.. just press "E".
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Noob marines will never stop complaining about phasegates while they hump the armory.
If you have a SUGGESTION, put it in the Suggestions & Ideas forum. Period.
Feel free to suggest this in the appropriate forum.