Ns Myths That Must Be Cleared Up...
SDJason
Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16841Members
Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16841Members
<div class="IPBDescription">....self explanatory......</div> Im getting tired of people saying this stuff is true when it isnt... these are the six ive seen most.. but add more to the list.. as EVERYONE has to learn these...
1. Turrets do not benefit from weapon upgrades
2. Motion Chambers do not increase the offense chamber firing rate
3. Motion Tracking will not help turrets
4. Motion tracking cannot track units cloaked by a sensory chamber (need more clarification, but this
statement is true)
5. Resource towers do not have a delay before collecting resources, they begin collecting instantly
6. Carapace does not slow you down
7. Attacking will uncloak you no matter what form of cloaking you are under (sensory, self, both)
Edit: This is still a work in progress... any more useful ones will be added so that i never have to tell anyone ever again... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
~Jason
1. Turrets do not benefit from weapon upgrades
2. Motion Chambers do not increase the offense chamber firing rate
3. Motion Tracking will not help turrets
4. Motion tracking cannot track units cloaked by a sensory chamber (need more clarification, but this
statement is true)
5. Resource towers do not have a delay before collecting resources, they begin collecting instantly
6. Carapace does not slow you down
7. Attacking will uncloak you no matter what form of cloaking you are under (sensory, self, both)
Edit: This is still a work in progress... any more useful ones will be added so that i never have to tell anyone ever again... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
~Jason
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EDIT: WOOT 200th POST! ^_^
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um, no, they aren't. It's stated specifically numerous times throughout the forums. They did this because of the new accuracy of the sentries themselves.
I hope you were being sarcastic, but I have to treat it as if you were serious (for those who are serious).
-Lee
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I have just checked this out with mp_drawdamage 1 in a lan game(2.0). If you place a turret only the first shot will do the upgraded damage and play the upgraded turret sound, the following shots will be lvl 0.
Conclusion:
-turrets dont benefit from weapon upgrades
-there ist a bug where the first shot of turrets benefits from the upgrade
Now are you sure motion tracking can't track cloaked units or just units in range of a sensory? Walking around as a skulk with cloaking in 2.01d I swear I've been tracked sometimes.
-JohnnySmash
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I have just checked this out with mp_drawdamage 1 in a lan game(2.0). If you place a turret only the first shot will do the upgraded damage and play the upgraded turret sound, the following shots will be lvl 0.
Conclusion:
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Well that suxx. That damage upgrade would sure help keep control of an outpost. Seems even with turrets and people defending I can still lose control of places pretty easy- partly b/c my weapons upgrades were doing shizz for my turrets. Even worse in 2.01d. Forget about turrets after they get an Onos b/c it's practically immune. But that's another story...
-JohnnySmash
I still hear "OMG four gorges!!! we're going to lose, you noobs! ungorge now!"
Ummm what?
There are a few possibilities; you might've been heard, you might've wandered into the vicinity of an obs and been seen, or you might've wound up being scanner-sweeped (swept?)
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I'm fairly certain he meant Sensory chambers don't increase Offence chamber firing range, or Motion chambers don't increase Offence chamber firing rate.
Really? This was going to go in... did it get taken out? I could have sworn it slows me down slightly.
Motion tracking WILL track cloaked units, just not ones cloaked by a sensory.
neither, obs, sens, both.
now, this is based largely on a few games ive noticed it in.
i THINK certain things like, an obs in range combined with motion tracking will draw an MT circle on cloaked buildings (which MT wouldnt spot on its own).
weapon damage upgrades DO affect turrets, but only slightly.
carapace does slow you down. A carapaced, uncelrity skulk is about as fast as the vanilla skulk from 1.04, and a carapaced celerity skulk is as fast as a celerity skulk in 1.04.
weapon damage upgrades DO affect turrets, but only slightly.
carapace does slow you down. A carapaced, uncelrity skulk is about as fast as the vanilla skulk from 1.04, and a carapaced celerity skulk is as fast as a celerity skulk in 1.04. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Congratulations, you're painfully uninformed.
weapon damage upgrades DO affect turrets, but only slightly.
carapace does slow you down. A carapaced, uncelrity skulk is about as fast as the vanilla skulk from 1.04, and a carapaced celerity skulk is as fast as a celerity skulk in 1.04. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As a versatile alien player, I like knowing stuff. *grin*
So a week or two ago, I took it upon myself to get the damage per second of an OC chamber without and with movement, and level 0-3 guns. (largely because I thought movement chambers had very little effect, if any, on OC's and I wanted to know for sure.
The test was performed on ns_hera in the area between data core and vent where there is a door you can open. I built up a little marine outpost on one computer and gorged on the other.
Then I dropped a turret on one side and an OC on the other side, and openend the door and stood under the door so it wouldn't close. The OC fired only on the turret.
It took approximately 1:05 minutes for the OC to kill one turret whether there was a movement chamber next to it or not. (EDIT: that should say no matter how many movement chambers I dropped by it. I tried dropping up to chamber limit to make sure it wasn't just a small effect.)
No matter if I had level 0-3 guns, with r_drawdamage, it showed no upgrades on damage from turret, but it did show damage upgrade on player.
No matter if I had level 0-3 guns, when the OC killed the turret, it was always at the same health notch. (I counted before I brought the gorge over to heal it for the next test.
7. Is more like you really need more than one dedicated gorge now, and if everyone grabs a resource tower, not only can we see where marines are expanding and respond to that, we'll all get res a heck of a lot faster than if many saves up for onos.
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Thanks for confirming that Grendal <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
4. Motion tracking cannot track cloaked units
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It detects sensory chambers.
- Onoses are no reason to scream "we lost".
- One Observatory is not enough, they are not for upgrades only.
- JPs are not nerfed in general with 30fps all the time you notice no real difference, flight physics and no JP falling damage is more an improvement.
Do they do damage to everything? including marine structures? Can they be set off by bilebomb/acid rocket/spit/spike?
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Mines damage everything. They can be set off by bilebomb acid rocket and spit just like in 1.04 I believe.
That's my two cents.
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Turrets no longer upgrade because they costs less and practically cannot miss. If they did lv3 weapon damage and you spammed them (like a lot of comms do), you'd have the ability to make an invincible outpost. Yes even in 2.01d, since the added damage would probably do more than tickle an onos.
Wrong.
Carapace used to slow you down, but not in the released 2.0. And a vanilla 2.0 skulk is faster than a vanilla 1.04 skulk. Hence a celerity 2.0 skulk is faster than a celerity 1.04 skulk.