Concept Pistol: Pg6

Sid

<div class="IPBDescription">...Or otherwise known as the Bob Pistol</div> Here is a horrid Pistol concept I redid. Lets hope I don't make your eyes bleed <i>too much</i>. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ...It originally was a hacked part of the "<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=43893&hl=codename' target='_blank'>Codename: Bob</a>" gun which I drew earlier.

Anyways, it is some sort of high powered pistol, 10 round capacity, it is hamerless, so no worrying... to hammer stuff and such. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->

And as you'll notice, it's my first concept which I actually gave a PROPER NAME! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

Suggestions are welcomed!
Thanks for your time,
-Sid

P.S. I tried to draw a front view... and messed up. Horridly. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

Gordon

Really cool concept, I think someone should start to make these models <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

-GF

Sid

Yay! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

BoozeKitty

Alright, first off...the gun feels awkward to hold. The trigger guard is too high and the handle doesnt flow right. Secondly, the selector switch you drew is also a bit out of place (in proportion AND in style). It resembles a cropped up and downsized HK switch from their MP* series. Usually thats not the type for pistols. Try a basic safety; the pistol only has one mode of fire.
Also, something to keep in mind: you'll notice the grip comes to a pinch toward the top, and that doesnt spell very good news for your ammo. It looks like the thing has a barrel for .45 or .357 but a magazine for 9mm or 5.7. Widen the grip to make room for the ammo. Overall its not a BAD design but it lacks continuity for a true flow of the frame.
Keep trying, you cant improve unless you do. ^_^
-Good work. Keep it up.

Sid

Thanks a bunch!

I'll get right on that... starting tomorrow. Sleepy Sid has to go off to bed now... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
But serously; thanks for the good advice - I'll put it to good use. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

BoozeKitty

I hate it when people suggest things without backing it up, so I sketched something in like 15 mins. Hope this helps.

Burncycle

gg

Sid

WOW!

Thats amazing... I wish I had those kind of Skillz... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

Thanks Boozekitty!

rabbity

sid, try using sharp edges rather than curvy lines, its better with guns. And try to visualise the gun you draw in your hand, consider the following stuff like: will it feel weird? does it fit your hand comfortably? will it be akward when the recoil kicks with such design in your hand? is the magazine too small for a *blabla* caliber? is the magazine to small to hold *blabla* number of rounds? etc....

i hope those stuff helps <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

sheena_yanai

<!--QuoteBegin--rabbity+Sep 4 2003, 08:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rabbity @ Sep 4 2003, 08:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> sid, try using sharp edges rather than curvy lines, its better with guns. And try to visualise the gun you draw in your hand, consider the following stuff like: will it feel weird? does it fit your hand comfortably? will it be akward when the recoil kicks with such design in your hand? is the magazine too small for a *blabla* caliber? is the magazine to small to hold *blabla* number of rounds? etc....

i hope those stuff helps <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i dont know if you know already... thats stuff ive explained him once....with lots of examples and a basic crashcourse in gun design... and ive said him once that the bob doesnt look very confortable to use ..
hes just messing around with his own sense for originality that is not based on existant stuff...hey..thats cool:p i dont care if it would work, i just hate it if something cant work... (uh-oooh)
( ive teached him where the ejection port should be.and what a extractor is.. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> harr harr, but the magazine lesson should be repeated once again... and the ergonomics <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )

Owen1

sheena... are u jealous of boozekitty?

absentic

hey booze how does the clip go in in your cuz it sure aint going in straight or even edged

Fox_One

I would imagine something like this. The clip doesn't have to fit the grip like a glove, you know <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

absentic

that doesnt actually fit you know
you forgot that the clip needs to actually come out of the handle

sheena_yanai

<!--QuoteBegin--[DRS]Lt.S.Owen+Sep 4 2003, 09:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([DRS]Lt.S.Owen @ Sep 4 2003, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> sheena... are u jealous of boozekitty? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> im to cool to be jealous.. and i have not talked about booze(he was right)..you need more than doodles to impress me..(are you serious,or do you make a bad joke? you know i am superior.. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )






seriously.. it must be boring for sid to hear the exact same stuff from different ppls in here everytime he posts a pic ... i think he knows all that stuff...we got a discussion about this pistol once..and he posted it again..i dont think he cared about that..
ive realized that sid dont want to make realistic stuff... he wants to design stylish,original,interesting stuff..he doesnt care if it would be functional.. perfect..ergonomic...uhm.. i meant.... hes like a car designer whos just doodling the silluette of a car,nobody asks if even a engine, or human would fit inside this can..
they just say...whoa... interresting concept (HELLO-----> concept) some ppls talking here about realism,and on the other side they are requesting a .50 automag handgun,that got no ejection port,no way to load the round into a chamber and so on..cmon..
he learned me more stuff than me him ,maybe the biggest lesson ive learned here( <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> )

sheena_yanai

<!--QuoteBegin--absentic+Sep 4 2003, 10:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (absentic @ Sep 4 2003, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> that doesnt actually fit you know
you forgot that the clip needs to actually come out of the handle <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
dont worry my little drone....this is quite possible... you guys thinkin way to 2 dimensional..

Fox_One

<!--QuoteBegin--absentic+Sep 4 2003, 10:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (absentic @ Sep 4 2003, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> that doesnt actually fit you know
you forgot that the clip needs to actually come out of the handle <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm aware of that...note the bottom of the clip sticking out of the handle. My parallelogram isn't the exact clipshape. it's connected to the bottom.

.edit//post
grrrr...**** that's not what I meant, but oh well!

Burncycle

Still a work in progress, haven't added some details.

Sorry I'm a bit rusty

<a href='http://www.geocities.com/refleks180/boozepistol.zip' target='_blank'>http://www.geocities.com/refleks180/boozepistol.zip</a>

BoozeKitty

<!--QuoteBegin--absentic+Sep 4 2003, 10:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (absentic @ Sep 4 2003, 10:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hey booze how does the clip go in in your cuz it sure aint going in straight or even edged <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay. First off, the sketch took me almost exactly 12 mins. Its not perfect.
Secondly, I tried making the grip something comfortable, and the most comfortable gun I've ever fired was a Walther P38. I modeled the grip after that. It fits, but the clip IS a weird looking one. Its flat, then angled, then flat again. I am a fanatic of WW2 weapons and it reflects in my current designs...even if in guns that appear 100's years beyond them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Sorry.
Anyway, feel free to mod the gun as nessecary. If it doesnt make sense, Im sure you can rationalize something into place to make it more sensible. In reality I think the design works. But thats my opinion.
/Me ducks and hides from Sheenas wrath

BoozeKitty

Oh, I almost forgot. Sid: something you lack in ALL your pictures I've seen...is scale. We have no idea how big these things are, so you have to paint us a picture. I included another waste of 22 mins below...its how large the gun is, in scale to a person. (me, in fact)
Even if its just a ruler or a tape measure...remember to give us some idea how big your weapons are.
Just a rule of thumb. I'll try to shutup now. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

BoozeKitty

Blargh!
Forgot to load the picture.

Jimmeh

Nice model Burncycle.... im gonna try skin it if its alright by you <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

(My first skin on my own... ill keep post some screenies on Monday)

absentic

if you did that in 22 min ill eat my own poop

BoozeKitty

<!--QuoteBegin--absentic+Sep 4 2003, 04:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (absentic @ Sep 4 2003, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if you did that in 22 min ill eat my own poop <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ewwww.
I guess you better get a spoon, I put that together in 12 mins and took an extra 10 to shade and configure lines. ^_^
Sorry. I guess you better hope you're high in fiber huh?

Fox_One

I think he thinks you made it from scratch in 22 mins, Booze ^_~

Sid

Wow!

Thanks guys for all the constructive stuff.

And thanks Sheena - Yeah, I'm bassiclly just messin' around. Besides, natural-selection isn't a realistic MOD, right? Next time I design something, I'll draw it with a scale, and with realism in mind.

About the Straight-curves-better-suit-the-gun thing; I perrferre roudness on my concepts. Roundness... in my opion, is just more comfortable to use.

...But that doesn't mean much, since most of my designs are pretty lacking in the "Comfortable" section. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

And by the way, Burncycycle, awesome model.
Good job Boozekitty! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

sheena_yanai

when you out of ammo and you have to throw your weapon after a khara he should not get hurt by it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> all this comfortable roundness <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ihihih that tickles

Jim

you should do a shotgun concept next sid <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

Sid

<!--QuoteBegin--Jim+Sep 4 2003, 05:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jim @ Sep 4 2003, 05:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you should do a shotgun concept next sid  <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I did. I have made a toal of three of 'em. You should look at the link in my Sig.

#1: (This was only a little thing I whipped up a LONG time ago for practice with PsP)
<img src='http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/256094/Odd1.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

#2: This was my first real concept using Psp. (My first Not-MS-paint one!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
<img src='http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/256094/Odd8.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

#3: Just a hackjob of some of my concepts rolled into one huge metal gun-thing <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/256094/Girtrude10J.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

And I just want to make a point:

Right here is some of the example of the... odd and unrealistic concepts I do: This one I whipped up in mere seconds. it's some sort of Heavy (literally) assault-rifle with a large internal magazine. This magazine uses the same technology as the G-11 caseless assault Rifle. ....And stuff. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> ...The Magazine is located int he stock; and when empty you simply tilt the gun up, shake it, and the mag slides out. There are little claws that hang onto the magazine as you fire; but when it's out of ammo, these claws... uncling and the magazine is free within the gun. All that is needed is a little shake and the Mag slides out, and you pop in a new one, which then the claws attach and you can fire once again. I'm not sure if this could work with an ejection port. But it works with caseless ammo witht he G11. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

P.S. lol@Sheena <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

sheena_yanai

<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> THE VACUM CLEANER!! YOU FORGOT THE VACUM CLEANER!!

Sid

How could I forget?! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->