Not Effin Again...
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The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
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<div class="IPBDescription">Ok, you know what...</div> ..., I'm really starting to want to be exactly what these articles are saying I should be. A murderous, rampaging person. Someone grab me a shotgun, once your done reading this dribble(btw, this is taken from a article that was the front page of AOL. Notice that AOL many times has pleaded that games are healthy and the such, so don't blame them, blame the idiot suing TAKE2 here)
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NEW YORK (Sept. 6) - The family of a slain motorist has filed suit against the maker of a video game that two teens claim inspired them to shoot at passing cars on a Tennessee highway.
Grand Theft Auto, a video game that allows players to "fire" on people and cars in realistic, shoot-'em-up fashion, is a cash cow that propelled manufacturer TAKE2interactive to the top of the video game industry. For the middle and high school students who play the game for hours on end, it's a means of escaping the monotony of teenage life.
But for two stepbrothers, 16-year-old William and 14-year-old Joshua Buckner, that escape turned deadly this summer. They told police they were emulating Grand Theft Auto on the night of June 25 when they took shotguns to Interstate 40, near their Newport, Tenn., home, and opened fire on vehicles.
A Bullet Through the Window
The boys told police they did not mean to hit people, but the results were catastrophic.
"I have eight bullet fragments all in my body," said 19-year-old Kimberly Bede, of Moneta, Va., who was hit in the pelvis as she rode in the passenger seat of her boyfriend's car. "The bullet entered my hip and I'm still receiving medical treatment."
Aaron Hamel, a 45-year-old registered nurse from Knoxville, Tenn., traveling in a separate car, was killed.
"We had a beautiful day in the mountains, and we were heading back home to Knoxville," said Hamel's cousin, Denise Deneau on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America Friday.
"We were talking, laughing, listening to music and all of a sudden my cousin told me to look at the beautiful flowers. And as I did that, my glass shattered and I felt heat across my face," she said.
When Deneuau saw the glass and blood she thought she had been shot, but when she realized the car was out of control, she looked at Hamel. "He had a large bullet hole at the side of his head," Deneuau said.
After the car made it across the highway, passing oncoming traffic, it stopped at the guard rail.
Deneuau said she knew her cousin would die quickly from the nature of the injury. "I reassured him that I was OK and that I would take care of his pets and I told him that I loved him," she said.
Family members say the nature of Hamel's death is especially ironic because he had volunteered to work at a Tennessee facility for wayward teens shortly before the shooting.
Teens Plead Guilty, Lawsuit Filed
The teenage shooters, who each pleaded guilty to reckless homicide, aggravated assault and reckless endangerment, will be held at a state juvenile detention center until they turn 19. The law in Tennessee allows them to remain in the custody of the state Department of Children's Services until they are 19, but no longer.
In written statements, the boys expressed remorse for their actions.
"I will always hate myself for what I did. I am so sorry," wrote William Buckner.
"I didn't want to hurt anyone," wrote Joshua Buckner. "This will be with me the rest of my life."
The Hamel family hired attorney Jack Thompson and filed suit Thursday against TAKE2interactive, the video game maker. Thompson says it's time to send a message to the video game makers.
"We want to send a message with a huge verdict to Sony and TAKE2interactive and the entire video game industry that if they're going to continue to market adult-rated games to children with these horrific consequence, then we're going to take their blood money from them and send a message to their boards that they have to stop this practice or there will be other suits on behalf of other people, killed by these games," Thompson said.
TAKE2interactive declined to comment to Good Morning America about the incident.
Are Parents the Gatekeepers?
It's not the first time the game Grand Theft Auto has been linked to bouts of real-life violence.
A gang of teenagers in California, charged with plotting carjackings and murder, say their actions were inspired by playing Grand Theft Auto, morning, noon, and night.
In Oakland, Calif., a group of young people who called themselves the "Nut Cases" told police they played violent video games before going out and robbing and killing random victims on the street. They said their favorite was Grand Theft Auto. The five men and one woman are facing charges in dozens of robberies and five killings that took place in 2002 and early 2003.
The Entertainment Software Association, which represents the video game industry, pointed to research showing that youth crime has gone down even as video games have proliferated. The games are rated for violence, and ultimately, parents make the decisions about what games they bring into their homes, the association said in a statement.
"Parents are present at and involved in the purchase or rental of games 83 percent of the time, according to a September 2000 Federal Trade Commission report," the association said.
Family members of those killed in video game-related shooting sprees say it is time to take Grand Theft Auto off the market, before more lives are lost.
Bede, who says she will never fully recover from the incident that left bullet fragments in her body, isn't satisfied with the sentence the Buckner boys received. "I really don't think they got what they deserve," she said.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NEW YORK (Sept. 6) - The family of a slain motorist has filed suit against the maker of a video game that two teens claim inspired them to shoot at passing cars on a Tennessee highway.
Grand Theft Auto, a video game that allows players to "fire" on people and cars in realistic, shoot-'em-up fashion, is a cash cow that propelled manufacturer TAKE2interactive to the top of the video game industry. For the middle and high school students who play the game for hours on end, it's a means of escaping the monotony of teenage life.
But for two stepbrothers, 16-year-old William and 14-year-old Joshua Buckner, that escape turned deadly this summer. They told police they were emulating Grand Theft Auto on the night of June 25 when they took shotguns to Interstate 40, near their Newport, Tenn., home, and opened fire on vehicles.
A Bullet Through the Window
The boys told police they did not mean to hit people, but the results were catastrophic.
"I have eight bullet fragments all in my body," said 19-year-old Kimberly Bede, of Moneta, Va., who was hit in the pelvis as she rode in the passenger seat of her boyfriend's car. "The bullet entered my hip and I'm still receiving medical treatment."
Aaron Hamel, a 45-year-old registered nurse from Knoxville, Tenn., traveling in a separate car, was killed.
"We had a beautiful day in the mountains, and we were heading back home to Knoxville," said Hamel's cousin, Denise Deneau on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America Friday.
"We were talking, laughing, listening to music and all of a sudden my cousin told me to look at the beautiful flowers. And as I did that, my glass shattered and I felt heat across my face," she said.
When Deneuau saw the glass and blood she thought she had been shot, but when she realized the car was out of control, she looked at Hamel. "He had a large bullet hole at the side of his head," Deneuau said.
After the car made it across the highway, passing oncoming traffic, it stopped at the guard rail.
Deneuau said she knew her cousin would die quickly from the nature of the injury. "I reassured him that I was OK and that I would take care of his pets and I told him that I loved him," she said.
Family members say the nature of Hamel's death is especially ironic because he had volunteered to work at a Tennessee facility for wayward teens shortly before the shooting.
Teens Plead Guilty, Lawsuit Filed
The teenage shooters, who each pleaded guilty to reckless homicide, aggravated assault and reckless endangerment, will be held at a state juvenile detention center until they turn 19. The law in Tennessee allows them to remain in the custody of the state Department of Children's Services until they are 19, but no longer.
In written statements, the boys expressed remorse for their actions.
"I will always hate myself for what I did. I am so sorry," wrote William Buckner.
"I didn't want to hurt anyone," wrote Joshua Buckner. "This will be with me the rest of my life."
The Hamel family hired attorney Jack Thompson and filed suit Thursday against TAKE2interactive, the video game maker. Thompson says it's time to send a message to the video game makers.
"We want to send a message with a huge verdict to Sony and TAKE2interactive and the entire video game industry that if they're going to continue to market adult-rated games to children with these horrific consequence, then we're going to take their blood money from them and send a message to their boards that they have to stop this practice or there will be other suits on behalf of other people, killed by these games," Thompson said.
TAKE2interactive declined to comment to Good Morning America about the incident.
Are Parents the Gatekeepers?
It's not the first time the game Grand Theft Auto has been linked to bouts of real-life violence.
A gang of teenagers in California, charged with plotting carjackings and murder, say their actions were inspired by playing Grand Theft Auto, morning, noon, and night.
In Oakland, Calif., a group of young people who called themselves the "Nut Cases" told police they played violent video games before going out and robbing and killing random victims on the street. They said their favorite was Grand Theft Auto. The five men and one woman are facing charges in dozens of robberies and five killings that took place in 2002 and early 2003.
The Entertainment Software Association, which represents the video game industry, pointed to research showing that youth crime has gone down even as video games have proliferated. The games are rated for violence, and ultimately, parents make the decisions about what games they bring into their homes, the association said in a statement.
"Parents are present at and involved in the purchase or rental of games 83 percent of the time, according to a September 2000 Federal Trade Commission report," the association said.
Family members of those killed in video game-related shooting sprees say it is time to take Grand Theft Auto off the market, before more lives are lost.
Bede, who says she will never fully recover from the incident that left bullet fragments in her body, isn't satisfied with the sentence the Buckner boys received. "I really don't think they got what they deserve," she said.
Copyright 2003 ABC News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Comments
and why does the media equate this to the game rather than the person?
Where did they get the guns?
Where were their parents?
Did their parents buy them this game?
Did their parents allow them to play it?
Did their parents know their whereabouts?
Did their parents make it their business to know what their children were doing?
Don't blame games because some people don't know what the hell they are doing raising a child. There are warning stickers. There is a VOLUNTARY self-regulation program in the software industry, and if you want someone else to take care of your children, hire a freaking nanny. Don't expect Electronics Botique to do it for you.
"I'm eating pills and running away from ghosts because i saw pac-man doing it..."
jeez... the dumbasses in the world today... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Well maybe you shouldn't shoot them with guns then, for the love of God, this makes me weep for humanity it really does...
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Strange I don't remember see any ads with "HEY KIDS GET YOUR PARENTS TO BUY YOU THIS GAME!!!!" on them. Infact all of them had these ratings <img src='http://www.dvdfever.co.uk/bbfc18.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'><img src='http://www.us.playstation.com/assets/images/games/esrb_logos/esrb_M.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
But I expect it's too much to ask to actually have parents be able to read...Obviously the Games industry needs to perform background checks on everyone before they purchase a game. What more do they want?
Reminiscing time...
I remember sitting in a chair next to my mom, at the computer, when she was playing Wolfenstein 3D (Sometimes DOOM. I had the coolest mom ever. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) and I'd ask questions like... "Why are you shooting them?" and "Why are you killing them?" She'd tell me that it's fun to shoot at people in a <b>GAME</b>, and explained to me that they aren't real people but just virtual people, and that it's bad to shoot at real people. See what I mean?
But I expect it's too much to ask to actually have parents be able to read...Obviously the Games industry needs to perform background checks on everyone before they purchase a game. What more do they want?
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Perhaps they want them to make the entirety of the package one big picture saying "OMGZORZ IF YOUR KIDS ARE FRICKIN REDNECK MORONS DONT BUY THIS!", also with a surgeon general's warning stating "WARNING: USE OF PRODUCT MAY RESULT IN STUPID PEOPLE KILLING OTHERS."
we should just create an organization called
"IT'S CALLED F***ING PARENTING"
the ICFP alliance, for kids with stupid idiot parents.
by the way...
they kept talking about bullets being inside people and stuff.
weren't they using shotguns?
.... did they use SLUGS? because that's f***ing savage of them. "this will be with me for the rest of my life".. yeah right, if you used f***ing slugs.
In response to the studies, a highly respected law firm, that requested to remain anonymous, has expressed their concern and dismay at the death toll today, and vehemently hopes that things will pick up tomorrow.
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Same thing applies if they had gotten the beer from their parents.
Max
<span style='font-family:Arial'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:yellow'>WHERE WERE THEIR PARENTS WHILE THEY WERE MAKING BOMBS IN THE GARAGE FOR 3 MONTHS!!!!!</span></span></span>
"I'm gonna go on a rampage myself, just to prove them right, because I'm sick of proving them wrong".
I hope they rot in hell. Literally.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHA!
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<li>Note: This is a joke. A frickin joke. Ok?
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<span style='font-family:Arial'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:yellow'>WHERE WERE THEIR PARENTS WHILE THEY WERE MAKING BOMBS IN THE GARAGE FOR 3 MONTHS!!!!!</span></span></span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Oh hi Deborah Johnny's out in the garage making pipebombs for a report on accessibility to weapons in young children. I even helped out and gave him a few guns."
I have the weirdest urge to just grab my dual-bladed light saber and slice some people up.
Can anyone help me with this?
Go get America's Army, register, and play with me. Blowing away terrorists will always be more fun that saber duels. Well, until they slow JA down.
Every time someone mentions that I crack up.
I wonder, has anyone actually gone and joined the military or sommat just because of that game?
And then, there is also a group of guys at my school...bout 7 of them...they thought that the game was cool, and that they may be able to get onto the dev team, or actually have those jobs, so they hired on.
So, hey, its getting them at least a few guys.
But its also a kickass game.
In America (and probably some countries I don't happen to live in to be able to observe) the media is all about the BIG STORY™. The media companies, like all corporations, are drivin by profit, and profit alone. One cannot profit as a media company without ratings/viewers/readers. Therefore the company must do everything it can to get the people's attention and keep it as long as possible. The media chooses videogames as a target because they are a relatively new artform, and as such an easy target, especially since most parents won't understand why their child plays. It used to be quite popular (and actually still is) to blame music for the crazy acts of some of its listeners, newer music was an easy target because, like videogames, parents didn't understand it.
The parents in this case are blaming games because they can't stand to blame themselves, and the games are an easy target. Deep down, they know that it was their obviously craptastic parenting that caused their childs inability to distinguish between reality and fantasy; but they can't tell themeselves that, it would destroy their ego, so they blame an easy target.
So, what can be done about this?
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we should just create an organization called
"IT'S CALLED F***ING PARENTING"
the ICFP alliance, for kids with stupid idiot parents.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, thats not a bad idea, it might, just maybe, almost, kinda be possible to educate the general public that bad parenting is to blame and the games/movies/music are mearly a scapegoat. But thats probably just wishfull thinking.
For real though? Its not the video games, its always people with limited intelligence letting fantasy leak into reality
Every time someone mentions that I crack up.
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Don't download it, don't submit email, don't do anything.
I used my email for whatever is required I can't remember, i've had the army call me twice, and the navy once, the navy and army have both sent me 4 letters
This last time I got angry and said "No, I'm a communist" and hung up on them.
No calls since <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->