Limits

MasterG

<div class="IPBDescription">This may be a stupid question...</div> I want to know if there are any limits to how many "direct lights"(as it says in rad at compile) you can have at your map..
Anyone knows anything about this?

KingNic

You mean you've got "Too many light styles on a single face"?

It means you have too many dynamic (read flickering/pulsing) light's near a face.

Cagey

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Anyone knows anything about this? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There's a cap of 2048 total entities including lights per map in the current tools. 1024 of those slots are reserved for unnamed light entities; the other 1024 are for all other entities combined.

NerdIII

Wow! Even more knowledge! thx Cagey. I always wondered what these 1024 'active' entities can be that someone talked about <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

WolfWings

So another reason to try to use nothing but texture-based lighting then, instead of static 'light' entities?

NerdIII

Noo, he said you can use 1024 lights in addition to your texture lights without affecting NS's entity count. They just have to be unnamed.

reaperman

Edit: Wrong post.

reaperman

Edit: Double post.

Cagey

<!--QuoteBegin--NerdIII+Sep 8 2003, 03:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NerdIII @ Sep 8 2003, 03:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Noo, he said you can use 1024 lights in addition to your texture lights without affecting NS's entity count. They just have to be unnamed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In the original post, I was thinking more from the tool perspective, but it's true that unnamed <b>light</b>s and <b>light_spot</b>s don't contribute to runtime entities, either (just confirmed that in the SDK):

<!--c1--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->void CLight :: Spawn( void )
{
if (FStringNull(pev->targetname))
{       // inert light
 REMOVE_ENTITY(ENT(pev));
 return;
}
<snip>
<!--c2--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->

<b>info_null</b> is another entity that is removed on spawn (but it does count in the tools' internal 1024 non-light entity limit)... I'll email Flayra about getting those three types (two of them conditional) added to the official "do not count towards entity limit" list in the guidelines.

Moose

I think Cagey was talking about the TOOLS limit, not the NS limit.

as far as i know you may only have 400 entities per map (minus NS specific entities, like info_location)

Cagey

<!--QuoteBegin--Moose+Sep 8 2003, 04:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moose @ Sep 8 2003, 04:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think Cagey was talking about the TOOLS limit, not the NS limit.

as far as i know you may only have 400 entities per map (minus NS specific entities, like info_location) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is correct at the moment, although I'm double-checking with Flayra for the official word on generic remove-on-spawn entities.

Moose

WoW that would be awesome <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> please let us know if Flayra gives the ok!

Cagey

<!--QuoteBegin--Moose+Sep 8 2003, 04:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moose @ Sep 8 2003, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> .... so we can have 1024 unnamed lights on top of the 400 entity limit Cagey ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<i>If</i> I get the go-ahead from Flay (waiting for email response now), you could potentially have 1648 unnamed lights (2048 compiler limit - the 400 entities) <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

Moose

Cagey = Ownage!

MasterG

Thank for all this info..
But I didn't get an answer for my question, but that's my fault, 'cause I forgot to mention that I had got "Exceeded MAX_PATCHES".. But on my map I'm redoing all the lights, anyone got any tips about how to make I don't get the error when my lights are done again?

Kage

Scale up textures, make your map smaller, use -sparse on .rad, or (if you have many textures scaled down) use -notexscale on .rad.

MasterG

Thank you! I'll remember it for next compile as I'm compiling my map now, to see if it works!